RealGM 2017 Fan Forum Mock Draft - SAC #5

[c3j3h]

The #5 isn't Fox or bust. DSJ or Tatum will still be there.

And Jonathan Isaac might be better than all of them.

[c3j3h]

Here is a scenario that is popping up that hasn't been discussed I don't think, (I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong). But with Fox rising in some peoples eyes it's worth looking at.

What if the Lakers pass on Ball and take Fox or Jackson?

Say it works out like

Bos - Fultz
LA - Fox
Phil - Monk or Jackson
Phx - Jackson or Tatum

How do you feel about Ball?

Is he the PG we can build around or do you value Tatum over him?

Yes I think he's a PG we can build around because he gets others involved. Still suspect on his ability to create or defend at the NBA level, but he should do just fine helping the other guys grow.

Side note, I remember hearing Phoenix was falling in love with the idea of taking him at #2 before they fell to #4.

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I'm concerned about the baggage. There's lots of praise for his game, but the asterisk next to is name has to do with his father. Considering that we just unloaded what was clearly our biggest problem in terms of culture, I feel drafting ball would be a step backwards.

We're not drafting LaVar Ball, though. All accounts say that LaVar was a complete non-issue at UCLA this year. He wasn't at practices. He wasn't interfering with Steve Alford. He's just a loudmouth that enjoys the attention he gets on sports reality TV. He's not going to be running the team or playing PG.

If the biggest knock on Lonzo is that his father is an ass, that sounds like Lonzo is great guy for us to take if he somehow drops to 5th.

[City of Trees]

Good God 96% of you want De'Aaron Fox?!? Can't say I'm surprised.

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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[benchmobbin02]

Good God 96% of you want De'Aaron Fox?!? Can't say I'm surprised.

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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We may have found the guy that voted for Monk haha...

[sacking123]

Good God 96% of you want De'Aaron Fox?!? Can't say I'm surprised.

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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Going by his posts it would be Isaac. Fair enough everyone has their opinion.
What I can't agree with is c3j3h's opinion on Lavar Ball.
If you think for one second he wouldn't be a problem here, a team
The reason why UCLA didn't have a problem with him as you say is simply because Lavar chose UCLA for him/the family. And it still didn't stop him from throwing Lonzo's teammates under the bus either. That would be great for chemistry when he does it in the NBA.
The difference as well is he is choosing the Lakers, not Sacramento, so I think it's a safe bet that Lavar kicks and screams until the Kings trade him to the Lakers.
It would be a nightmare of a situation really.
I don't see how anyone could say that he wouldn't be an issue, and if any Kings fan wants that kind of distraction after Boogie then that's insane.



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[City of Trees]

Good God 96% of you want De'Aaron Fox?!? Can't say I'm surprised.

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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We may have found the guy that voted for Monk haha...

Actually now I remember c3j3h is a Monk guy! Haha

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[c3j3h]

Good God 96% of you want De'Aaron Fox?!? Can't say I'm surprised.

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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We may have found the guy that voted for Monk haha...

I was not around for this survey and I did not vote. My vote would go to Jonathan Isaac or Jayson Tatum. I would be totally happy with Malik Monk (fit be damned), and I would cautiously optimistic with DSJ. If we take Fox I'm going to get drunk, and if we trade up for him I'll throw in some bath salts.

[City of Trees]

Good God 96% of you want De'Aaron Fox?!? Can't say I'm surprised.

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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Going by his posts it would be Isaac. Fair enough everyone has their opinion.
What I can't agree with is c3j3h's opinion on Lavar Ball.
If you think for one second he wouldn't be a problem here, a team
The reason why UCLA didn't have a problem with him as you say is simply because Lavar chose UCLA for him/the family. And it still didn't stop him from throwing Lonzo's teammates under the bus either. That would be great for chemistry when he does it in the NBA.
The difference as well is he is choosing the Lakers, not Sacramento, so I think it's a safe bet that Lavar kicks and screams until the Kings trade him to the Lakers.
It would be a nightmare of a situation really.
I don't see how anyone could say that he wouldn't be an issue, and if any Kings fan wants that kind of distraction after Boogie then that's insane.



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Before March madness kicked off I was a big LaVar Ball supporter. I can appreciate teaching his children to be entrepreneurs and what he's trying to do with BBB. With that said, LaVar has proven to do **** I cannot defend, so I will no longer defend this man.

LaVar's mouth is just that, a mouth that will always look to be entertaining if a mic is put in front of him. I dont believe LaVar be a problem for an NBA team however info believe LaVar May have a huge impact on where Lonzo chooses to sign after his rookie contract is up.

If Ball is available at 5 I think based on talent the Kings should consider him or Isaac. The possibility of Ball trying to roll to LA after his rookie contract is up is real.

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[c3j3h]

Good God 96% of you want De'Aaron Fox?!? Can't say I'm surprised.

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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Going by his posts it would be Isaac. Fair enough everyone has their opinion.
What I can't agree with is c3j3h's opinion on Lavar Ball.
If you think for one second he wouldn't be a problem here, a team
The reason why UCLA didn't have a problem with him as you say is simply because Lavar chose UCLA for him/the family. And it still didn't stop him from throwing Lonzo's teammates under the bus either. That would be great for chemistry when he does it in the NBA.
The difference as well is he is choosing the Lakers, not Sacramento, so I think it's a safe bet that Lavar kicks and screams until the Kings trade him to the Lakers.
It would be a nightmare of a situation really.
I don't see how anyone could say that he wouldn't be an issue, and if any Kings fan wants that kind of distraction after Boogie then that's insane.



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I think you're taking the LaVar thing to the extreme. I don't think there are any NBA players that give a **** about what their teammate's dad thinks about them or says about them. I don't think he can or will force a trade for the Lakers either, because the key that you're not considering there is that the only way the Kings could get Lonzo would be if the lakers don't want him!!! You can't force a team to trade a guy to a team that doesn't want him, simply because the guy's dad likes that team better...

I really hate LaVar Ball, but what I hate more is the fact that so many fans listen to him and care about what he has to say. The guy is a clown. He's going to have very little, if any effect on Lonzo's career in the NBA, and he will have ZERO effect on what Lonzo does on the court or in the locker room. He's just an idiot father who's hyping up his kid to the extreme and riding the short wave of fame that goes along with it.

No NBA team is stupid enough to let some guy's dad play into whether they draft the kid or not. It's not like they're going to offer LaVar a front office position or give him an ownership stake in the team...

[sacking123]

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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Going by his posts it would be Isaac. Fair enough everyone has their opinion.
What I can't agree with is c3j3h's opinion on Lavar Ball.
If you think for one second he wouldn't be a problem here, a team
The reason why UCLA didn't have a problem with him as you say is simply because Lavar chose UCLA for him/the family. And it still didn't stop him from throwing Lonzo's teammates under the bus either. That would be great for chemistry when he does it in the NBA.
The difference as well is he is choosing the Lakers, not Sacramento, so I think it's a safe bet that Lavar kicks and screams until the Kings trade him to the Lakers.
It would be a nightmare of a situation really.
I don't see how anyone could say that he wouldn't be an issue, and if any Kings fan wants that kind of distraction after Boogie then that's insane.



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Before March madness kicked off I was a big LaVar Ball supporter. I can appreciate teaching his children to be entrepreneurs and what he's trying to do with BBB. With that said, LaVar has proven to do **** I cannot defend, so I will no longer defend this man.

LaVar's mouth is just that, a mouth that will always look to be entertaining if a mic is put in front of him. I dont believe LaVar be a problem for an NBA team however info believe LaVar May have a huge impact on where Lonzo chooses to sign after his rookie contract is up.

If Ball is available at 5 I think based on talent the Kings should consider him or Isaac. The possibility of Ball trying to roll to LA after his rookie contract is up is real.

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If it were only that then I would completely get on board. I really like his game and think it would be good here.
However 4 years of Lavar doing damage to the Kings brand isn't something that the ball club should be excited about.


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[benchmobbin02]

Well, put your name behind a prospect like everyone else. Who would you have voted for? Fultz, Ball, Jackson, and Tatum are all off the board.

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Going by his posts it would be Isaac. Fair enough everyone has their opinion.
What I can't agree with is c3j3h's opinion on Lavar Ball.
If you think for one second he wouldn't be a problem here, a team
The reason why UCLA didn't have a problem with him as you say is simply because Lavar chose UCLA for him/the family. And it still didn't stop him from throwing Lonzo's teammates under the bus either. That would be great for chemistry when he does it in the NBA.
The difference as well is he is choosing the Lakers, not Sacramento, so I think it's a safe bet that Lavar kicks and screams until the Kings trade him to the Lakers.
It would be a nightmare of a situation really.
I don't see how anyone could say that he wouldn't be an issue, and if any Kings fan wants that kind of distraction after Boogie then that's insane.



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I think you're taking the LaVar thing to the extreme. I don't think there are any NBA players that give a **** about what their teammate's dad thinks about them or says about them. I don't think he can or will force a trade for the Lakers either, because the key that you're not considering there is that the only way the Kings could get Lonzo would be if the lakers don't want him!!! You can't force a team to trade a guy to a team that doesn't want him, simply because the guy's dad likes that team better...

I really hate LaVar Ball, but what I hate more is the fact that so many fans listen to him and care about what he has to say. The guy is a clown. He's going to have very little, if any effect on Lonzo's career in the NBA, and he will have ZERO effect on what Lonzo does on the court or in the locker room. He's just an idiot father who's hyping up his kid to the extreme and riding the short wave of fame that goes along with it.

No NBA team is stupid enough to let some guy's dad play into whether they draft the kid or not. It's not like they're going to offer LaVar a front office position or give him an ownership stake in the team...

If you think that his father isn't a factor that teams should consider seriously and that there aren't scenarios where he could cause trouble for a franchise that needs to avoid it, then there is no sense even discussing it further with you.

[sacking123]

Going by his posts it would be Isaac. Fair enough everyone has their opinion.
What I can't agree with is c3j3h's opinion on Lavar Ball.
If you think for one second he wouldn't be a problem here, a team
The reason why UCLA didn't have a problem with him as you say is simply because Lavar chose UCLA for him/the family. And it still didn't stop him from throwing Lonzo's teammates under the bus either. That would be great for chemistry when he does it in the NBA.
The difference as well is he is choosing the Lakers, not Sacramento, so I think it's a safe bet that Lavar kicks and screams until the Kings trade him to the Lakers.
It would be a nightmare of a situation really.
I don't see how anyone could say that he wouldn't be an issue, and if any Kings fan wants that kind of distraction after Boogie then that's insane.



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I think you're taking the LaVar thing to the extreme. I don't think there are any NBA players that give a **** about what their teammate's dad thinks about them or says about them. I don't think he can or will force a trade for the Lakers either, because the key that you're not considering there is that the only way the Kings could get Lonzo would be if the lakers don't want him!!! You can't force a team to trade a guy to a team that doesn't want him, simply because the guy's dad likes that team better...

I really hate LaVar Ball, but what I hate more is the fact that so many fans listen to him and care about what he has to say. The guy is a clown. He's going to have very little, if any effect on Lonzo's career in the NBA, and he will have ZERO effect on what Lonzo does on the court or in the locker room. He's just an idiot father who's hyping up his kid to the extreme and riding the short wave of fame that goes along with it.

No NBA team is stupid enough to let some guy's dad play into whether they draft the kid or not. It's not like they're going to offer LaVar a front office position or give him an ownership stake in the team...

If you think that his father isn't a factor that teams should consider seriously and that there aren't scenarios where he could cause trouble for a franchise that needs to avoid it, then there is no sense even discussing it further with you.

Yep. This all day.


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[c3j3h]

Going by his posts it would be Isaac. Fair enough everyone has their opinion.
What I can't agree with is c3j3h's opinion on Lavar Ball.
If you think for one second he wouldn't be a problem here, a team
The reason why UCLA didn't have a problem with him as you say is simply because Lavar chose UCLA for him/the family. And it still didn't stop him from throwing Lonzo's teammates under the bus either. That would be great for chemistry when he does it in the NBA.
The difference as well is he is choosing the Lakers, not Sacramento, so I think it's a safe bet that Lavar kicks and screams until the Kings trade him to the Lakers.
It would be a nightmare of a situation really.
I don't see how anyone could say that he wouldn't be an issue, and if any Kings fan wants that kind of distraction after Boogie then that's insane.



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I think you're taking the LaVar thing to the extreme. I don't think there are any NBA players that give a **** about what their teammate's dad thinks about them or says about them. I don't think he can or will force a trade for the Lakers either, because the key that you're not considering there is that the only way the Kings could get Lonzo would be if the lakers don't want him!!! You can't force a team to trade a guy to a team that doesn't want him, simply because the guy's dad likes that team better...

I really hate LaVar Ball, but what I hate more is the fact that so many fans listen to him and care about what he has to say. The guy is a clown. He's going to have very little, if any effect on Lonzo's career in the NBA, and he will have ZERO effect on what Lonzo does on the court or in the locker room. He's just an idiot father who's hyping up his kid to the extreme and riding the short wave of fame that goes along with it.

No NBA team is stupid enough to let some guy's dad play into whether they draft the kid or not. It's not like they're going to offer LaVar a front office position or give him an ownership stake in the team...

If you think that his father isn't a factor that teams should consider seriously and that there aren't scenarios where he could cause trouble for a franchise that needs to avoid it, then there is no sense even discussing it further with you.

That I can agree with! It's a stupid discussion. Name one NBA player in history who's career was negatively effected in a major way because his dad was a loud ****?

[City of Trees]

I think you're taking the LaVar thing to the extreme. I don't think there are any NBA players that give a **** about what their teammate's dad thinks about them or says about them. I don't think he can or will force a trade for the Lakers either, because the key that you're not considering there is that the only way the Kings could get Lonzo would be if the lakers don't want him!!! You can't force a team to trade a guy to a team that doesn't want him, simply because the guy's dad likes that team better...

I really hate LaVar Ball, but what I hate more is the fact that so many fans listen to him and care about what he has to say. The guy is a clown. He's going to have very little, if any effect on Lonzo's career in the NBA, and he will have ZERO effect on what Lonzo does on the court or in the locker room. He's just an idiot father who's hyping up his kid to the extreme and riding the short wave of fame that goes along with it.

No NBA team is stupid enough to let some guy's dad play into whether they draft the kid or not. It's not like they're going to offer LaVar a front office position or give him an ownership stake in the team...

If you think that his father isn't a factor that teams should consider seriously and that there aren't scenarios where he could cause trouble for a franchise that needs to avoid it, then there is no sense even discussing it further with you.

That I can agree with! It's a stupid discussion. Name one NBA player in history who's career was negatively effected in a major way because his dad was a loud ****?

LaVar shouldn't be a concern to NBA teams. It doesn't appear to be an issue but if there is anyone to be concerned about in this situation it's the kid, Lonzo Ball. Can he handle the pressure of Dad and the NBA and will he eventually crumble?

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[benchmobbin02]

I think you're taking the LaVar thing to the extreme. I don't think there are any NBA players that give a **** about what their teammate's dad thinks about them or says about them. I don't think he can or will force a trade for the Lakers either, because the key that you're not considering there is that the only way the Kings could get Lonzo would be if the lakers don't want him!!! You can't force a team to trade a guy to a team that doesn't want him, simply because the guy's dad likes that team better...

I really hate LaVar Ball, but what I hate more is the fact that so many fans listen to him and care about what he has to say. The guy is a clown. He's going to have very little, if any effect on Lonzo's career in the NBA, and he will have ZERO effect on what Lonzo does on the court or in the locker room. He's just an idiot father who's hyping up his kid to the extreme and riding the short wave of fame that goes along with it.

No NBA team is stupid enough to let some guy's dad play into whether they draft the kid or not. It's not like they're going to offer LaVar a front office position or give him an ownership stake in the team...

If you think that his father isn't a factor that teams should consider seriously and that there aren't scenarios where he could cause trouble for a franchise that needs to avoid it, then there is no sense even discussing it further with you.

That I can agree with! It's a stupid discussion. Name one NBA player in history who's career was negatively effected in a major way because his dad was a loud ****?

Name one Dad in NBA history this inflammatory with a top 10 prospect going it to the league?

There is no comparison.

[sacking123]

I think you're taking the LaVar thing to the extreme. I don't think there are any NBA players that give a **** about what their teammate's dad thinks about them or says about them. I don't think he can or will force a trade for the Lakers either, because the key that you're not considering there is that the only way the Kings could get Lonzo would be if the lakers don't want him!!! You can't force a team to trade a guy to a team that doesn't want him, simply because the guy's dad likes that team better...

I really hate LaVar Ball, but what I hate more is the fact that so many fans listen to him and care about what he has to say. The guy is a clown. He's going to have very little, if any effect on Lonzo's career in the NBA, and he will have ZERO effect on what Lonzo does on the court or in the locker room. He's just an idiot father who's hyping up his kid to the extreme and riding the short wave of fame that goes along with it.

No NBA team is stupid enough to let some guy's dad play into whether they draft the kid or not. It's not like they're going to offer LaVar a front office position or give him an ownership stake in the team...

If you think that his father isn't a factor that teams should consider seriously and that there aren't scenarios where he could cause trouble for a franchise that needs to avoid it, then there is no sense even discussing it further with you.

That I can agree with! It's a stupid discussion. Name one NBA player in history who's career was negatively effected in a major way because his dad was a loud ****?

Name one NBA player that has come into the NBA with a family brand and his father saying things like he is better than MJ, Curry etc? Even half that, name one player that his
As I've said, I like Lonzo, he seems like a really good kid and I love his game, but no one can say without any type of assurance that his father isn't going to continue being a distraction if he doesn't go to the Lakers. Yes it means the Lakers passed on him, but if he also makes it through to #5 it also means that not only #2 where he is slotted to be drafted passed on him, but #3 and #4. If that happens then red flags are popping up all over the place and it won't be about his game or his attitude.



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[KingFox]

Lol Monk? if these kings draft another damn shooting guard, they deserve everything that happens to em