Game 55: Sacramento Kings (17-37) @ Minnesota Timberwolves (34-24) - 7:00 PM ET

[benchmobbin02]

Buddy 19 minutes. Criminal.

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I think Coach didn't like some of the decisions he was making with the ball and on defense. He has to earn those minutes IMO. Only so long you leave someone out there if they aren't playing effectively, even if they are a developing player. I mean he still got 13 shot in those 19 mins. Just my gauge on it.

[SacKingZZZ]

He isn't stuck there but it is what I think is best for the young core depending on matchups.

#lengthisKING

I agree with it depending on matchups, but I've been looking for it all year since the discussions in the summer and I can't pinpoint a single game where Bogdan was swallowed up by the competition physically to the extent that it made it unworkable. I think him guarding bigger players is something that they'd be better off exploring more and more these last couple of weeks of the season.

He doesn't have to be swallowed up for the Kings to see that it's a bad matchup. In fact its better if they see it before that point. I just think his size and skill at the 2, the progression of Jackson at the 3 plus the possibility of adding a marquee signee or draft pick at the SF, and Hield clear need for shots that will be limited in the starting lineup all make SG a better fit for him. We can disagree.

I'm talking physically because that's the basis of your argument and has been since before he came over. And I disagree, it's better to see if there are actual issues first. Just like with playing Fox, Bogdan, and Buddy together as much as possible considering that is 90% of your upside base right there. It's better to see how they fit together so you know for sure. And a terrible, wasted season where you just got it handed to you at the deadline is exactly when you do it. There is nothing to lose.

There are ways to stagger minutes so that Buddy still has a presence with the bench unit. Right now playing your best scorer like this is just dumb. There is no other way to describe it. Worrying about matchups with where the Kings are at is a shortsighted view if that's what the coaching staff is doing. If they were succeeding in any real way on either end of the floor it would be one thing, but they are in the process of dishing out minutes to non long term players while still putting out a bottom rung team on both ends. It's called futility. Nope, don't want any of that.

[SacKingZZZ]

Buddy 19 minutes. Criminal.

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I think Coach didn't like some of the decisions he was making with the ball and on defense. He has to earn those minutes IMO. Only so long you leave someone out there if they aren't playing effectively, even if they are a developing player. I mean he still got 13 shot in those 19 mins. Just my gauge on it.

Then you'd have to really question Joergers eyeballs or system (which everyone should considering the results) because Buddy made some standout defensive plays in this game.

[benchmobbin02]

I agree with it depending on matchups, but I've been looking for it all year since the discussions in the summer and I can't pinpoint a single game where Bogdan was swallowed up by the competition physically to the extent that it made it unworkable. I think him guarding bigger players is something that they'd be better off exploring more and more these last couple of weeks of the season.

He doesn't have to be swallowed up for the Kings to see that it's a bad matchup. In fact its better if they see it before that point. I just think his size and skill at the 2, the progression of Jackson at the 3 plus the possibility of adding a marquee signee or draft pick at the SF, and Hield clear need for shots that will be limited in the starting lineup all make SG a better fit for him. We can disagree.

I'm talking physically because that's the basis of your argument and has been since before he came over. And I disagree, it's better to see if there are actual issues first. Just like with playing Fox, Bogdan, and Buddy together as much as possible considering that is 90% of your upside base right there. It's better to see how they fit together so you know for sure. And a terrible, wasted season where you just got it handed to you at the deadline is exactly when you do it. There is nothing to lose.

There are ways to stagger minutes so that Buddy still has a presence with the bench unit. Right now playing your best scorer like this is just dumb. There is no other way to describe it. Worrying about matchups with where the Kings are at is a shortsighted view if that's what the coaching staff is doing. If they were succeeding in any real way on either end of the floor it would be one thing, but they are in the process of dishing out minutes to non long term players while still putting out a bottom rung team on both ends. It's called futility. Nope, don't want any of that.

And I'm talking all the factors. Discussions evolve.

And like I said we can disagree.

[benchmobbin02]

Buddy 19 minutes. Criminal.

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I think Coach didn't like some of the decisions he was making with the ball and on defense. He has to earn those minutes IMO. Only so long you leave someone out there if they aren't playing effectively, even if they are a developing player. I mean he still got 13 shot in those 19 mins. Just my gauge on it.

Then you'd have to really question Joergers eyeballs or system (which everyone should considering the results) because Buddy made some standout defensive plays in this game.

Funny how you pick one thing from a post and don't address the overall point I was making. Anything to get shots at Vlade or Coach huh...

And yes, Buddy made some plays on defense but also made some mistake against Crawford and in rotations.

[City of Trees]

Buddy 19 minutes. Criminal.

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I think Coach didn't like some of the decisions he was making with the ball and on defense. He has to earn those minutes IMO. Only so long you leave someone out there if they aren't playing effectively, even if they are a developing player. I mean he still got 13 shot in those 19 mins. Just my gauge on it.

Only Zbo averages more shots per game this season over Buddy. IMO part of that is due to Buddy knowing he wont get much playing time so he goes full speed for his shots.

19 minutes. Really?

If we want to use Buddy's defense as an excuse as to why he doesnt play then Zbo should never see the floor...yet he does.

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[LightTheBeam]

Buddy 19 minutes. Criminal.

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I think Coach didn't like some of the decisions he was making with the ball and on defense. He has to earn those minutes IMO. Only so long you leave someone out there if they aren't playing effectively, even if they are a developing player. I mean he still got 13 shot in those 19 mins. Just my gauge on it.

Only Zbo averages more shots per game this season over Buddy. IMO part of that is due to Buddy knowing he wont get much playing time so he goes full speed for his shots.

19 minutes. Really?

If we want to use Buddy's defense as an excuse as to why he doesnt play then Zbo should never see the floor...yet he does.

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Didn't get to watch the game tonight :/.. Came to find out why Buddy didn't see many minutes.

Coach said the core will likely see 30 minutes a night, in the 2 games since he said that Hield has played significantly less than Fox, Bogdan, Jackson, WCS, wonder if thats indicating how coach/vlade? see him.

Really upsetting to see Hield play 18 minutes, while Temple continues to see 20+..

Hopefully when Skal/Mason are back they cut Temple/Koufos out of the rotation. or at least flip flop Koufos/Randolph/Temple/Vince with rest nights like coach was doing.

[City of Trees]

"Phase 2"

Buddy- 22min, 19min

I said yesterday 25 mpg should be the minimum.

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[benchmobbin02]

Buddy 19 minutes. Criminal.

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I think Coach didn't like some of the decisions he was making with the ball and on defense. He has to earn those minutes IMO. Only so long you leave someone out there if they aren't playing effectively, even if they are a developing player. I mean he still got 13 shot in those 19 mins. Just my gauge on it.

Only Zbo averages more shots per game this season over Buddy. IMO part of that is due to Buddy knowing he wont get much playing time so he goes full speed for his shots.

19 minutes. Really?

If we want to use Buddy's defense as an excuse as to why he doesnt play then Zbo should never see the floor...yet he does.

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First, I'm speculating as I'm not the coach.

Second, I said defense and decision making.

Third, I can see Buddy jacking shots because the possible time crunch, because he has been given the green lit or because that's just how he plays and gets in a rhythm. We don't know for sure.

The ZBo and Buddy comparison is not on the same scale when we have 3 healthy big men and 6 healthy wing players but I get your point.

[kingjawn100]

Not sure where i stand on the Buddy issue. I mean i trust that Joerger knows something that maybe we don't just from watching at home. Some players have issues with conditioning. Also maybe the thinking is he's better as a spurt player rather than someone you can just leave out there for long stretches. Also could be they don't feel you can play Fox/Bogi and Buddy all at the same time on defense.

On the other hand he's played under 25 minutes in 7 straight games after playing 25+ 6 of the previous 7 games. Clearly it's not just a coincidence that his minutes have decreased, whether its a strategy thing or coaching/ownership is down on him.

[SacKingZZZ]

I think Coach didn't like some of the decisions he was making with the ball and on defense. He has to earn those minutes IMO. Only so long you leave someone out there if they aren't playing effectively, even if they are a developing player. I mean he still got 13 shot in those 19 mins. Just my gauge on it.

Then you'd have to really question Joergers eyeballs or system (which everyone should considering the results) because Buddy made some standout defensive plays in this game.

Funny how you pick one thing from a post and don't address the overall point I was making. Anything to get shots at Vlade or Coach huh...

And yes, Buddy made some plays on defense but also made some mistake against Crawford and in rotations.

I'm letting the results of Dave Joergers system speak for itself. If he had even a semi-decent defensive result I could understand making decisions based on that. Are you arguing that the Kings aren't failing on the defensive end of the floor this year? If there are shots they are well earned my friend. Time on this year is wasting away and when you only give your team a 1-2 month window at the end of each season to find out things that should be a priority it really puts you in a bind.

[SacKingZZZ]

Not sure where i stand on the Buddy issue. I mean i trust that Joerger knows something that maybe we don't just from watching at home. Some players have issues with conditioning. Also maybe the thinking is he's better as a spurt player rather than someone you can just leave out there for long stretches. Also could be they don't feel you can play Fox/Bogi and Buddy all at the same time on defense.

On the other hand he's played under 25 minutes in 7 straight games after playing 25+ 6 of the previous 7 games. Clearly it's not just a coincidence that his minutes have decreased, whether its a strategy thing or coaching/ownership is down on him.

Like I said, what's the harm that will come? They are one of the worst defensive teams in the league. If anything maybe their offense ticks up a bit. Maybe not. If they can't work long term at all it's better to find that out now than later so you can plan accordingly rather than just waiving guys. Lol.

[benchmobbin02]

Then you'd have to really question Joergers eyeballs or system (which everyone should considering the results) because Buddy made some standout defensive plays in this game.

Funny how you pick one thing from a post and don't address the overall point I was making. Anything to get shots at Vlade or Coach huh...

And yes, Buddy made some plays on defense but also made some mistake against Crawford and in rotations.

I'm letting the results of Dave Joergers system speak for itself. If he had even a semi-decent defensive result I could understand making decisions based on that. Are you arguing that the Kings aren't failing on the defensive end of the floor this year? If there are shots they are well earned my friend. Time on this year is wasting away and when you only give your team a 1-2 month window at the end of each season to find out things that should be a priority it really puts you in a bind.

Once again, ignoring my overall point and just taking shot at Coach...

Boooorrring.

[LightTheBeam]

Watching part of the 11pm replay (consolidated communications lol)

I'm honestly shocked we continue to give Randolph so many minutes/touches.

I complained heavily about koufos the start of the year, but he's at least trying/hustling on defense.

Randolph is the laziest defender I've ever watched. He literally doesn't play defense, I get being an old veteran but to me that send the wrong message to our team.

"Don't worry about defense, I'll still feed you 15 shots per game on the block if you're my guy"

Sampson should take all of Zachs minutes as we reward his hustle.

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[SacKingZZZ]

Funny how you pick one thing from a post and don't address the overall point I was making. Anything to get shots at Vlade or Coach huh...

And yes, Buddy made some plays on defense but also made some mistake against Crawford and in rotations.

I'm letting the results of Dave Joergers system speak for itself. If he had even a semi-decent defensive result I could understand making decisions based on that. Are you arguing that the Kings aren't failing on the defensive end of the floor this year? If there are shots they are well earned my friend. Time on this year is wasting away and when you only give your team a 1-2 month window at the end of each season to find out things that should be a priority it really puts you in a bind.

Once again, ignoring my overall point and just taking shot at Coach...

Boooorrring.

Haha, not nearly as boring as ignoring the questions asked, time and time again.

[benchmobbin02]

I'm letting the results of Dave Joergers system speak for itself. If he had even a semi-decent defensive result I could understand making decisions based on that. Are you arguing that the Kings aren't failing on the defensive end of the floor this year? If there are shots they are well earned my friend. Time on this year is wasting away and when you only give your team a 1-2 month window at the end of each season to find out things that should be a priority it really puts you in a bind.

Once again, ignoring my overall point and just taking shot at Coach...

Boooorrring.

Haha, not nearly as boring as ignoring the questions asked, time and time again.

I don't intentionally ignore questions unless you have taken my statement or opinion out of context and segmented the overall point to follow your own agenda of bashing the coaching. Constantly deflecting and not seeing the whole picture cause you wanna be right. Yes, boring.