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Re: RE: Re: Game 60: Minnesota Timberwolves (37-26) @ Sacramento Kings (18-41) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#41 » by codydaze » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:55 pm

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The Kings can totally draft Porter and look for rebounding elsewhere. Look at GSW or OKC.

What's crazy is the Kings may already have a good rebounder in Giles but unfortunately its hard to bank on that


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True..even if Giles is healthy next year he’ll be on a minutes limit and probably won’t do back-to-back games. Hard to count on that


I don't know about the restrictions. He is 16 months past the knee and has been cleared and says he is 100 healthy and is practicing without restriction. By next year it will be 24 months past the injury. He shouldn't be held back.


Agreed, I doubt he'll have any restrictions. I'm kind of disappointed we won't get to see him at least in Reno this year but I can't wait for Summer League to see what he's got.
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Re: RE: Re: Game 60: Minnesota Timberwolves (37-26) @ Sacramento Kings (18-41) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#42 » by kingjawn100 » Thu Mar 1, 2018 12:30 am

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True..even if Giles is healthy next year he’ll be on a minutes limit and probably won’t do back-to-back games. Hard to count on that


I don't know about the restrictions. He is 16 months past the knee and has been cleared and says he is 100 healthy and is practicing without restriction. By next year it will be 24 months past the injury. He shouldn't be held back.


Agreed, I doubt he'll have any restrictions. I'm kind of disappointed we won't get to see him at least in Reno this year but I can't wait for Summer League to see what he's got.


If you think Harry Giles won't have minutes restrictions next year you are crazy. This is a guy we're holding out an ENTIRE YEAR as a precaution. Of course the Kings aren't expecting him to play heavy minutes or back-to-backs next year. Practice is a lot different than an NBA game in terms of the toll it takes on your body.

Playing a talented, yet injury-plagued guy 30 minutes a night/82 games a year would be asinine for a team early on in a long term rebuild. Wont happen. I'm expecting 15 minutes a night/37 games played next year (including some missed time for injury setbacks). Just being realistic.
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Re: RE: Re: Game 60: Minnesota Timberwolves (37-26) @ Sacramento Kings (18-41) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#43 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Mar 1, 2018 1:01 am

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I don't know about the restrictions. He is 16 months past the knee and has been cleared and says he is 100 healthy and is practicing without restriction. By next year it will be 24 months past the injury. He shouldn't be held back.


Agreed, I doubt he'll have any restrictions. I'm kind of disappointed we won't get to see him at least in Reno this year but I can't wait for Summer League to see what he's got.


If you think Harry Giles won't have minutes restrictions next year you are crazy. This is a guy we're holding out an ENTIRE YEAR as a precaution. Of course the Kings aren't expecting him to play heavy minutes or back-to-backs next year. Practice is a lot different than an NBA game in terms of the toll it takes on your body.

Playing a talented, yet injury-plagued guy 30 minutes a night/82 games a year would be asinine for a team early on in a long term rebuild. Wont happen. I'm expecting 15 minutes a night/37 games played next year (including some missed time for injury setbacks). Just being realistic.


I agree. I can totally see him being on some sort of schedule next year. Also considering he''ll be a rookie and likely to get scraps behind Willie, Skal, and if they draft a big it might effect him as well. If his mobility/confidence doesn't look improved from Duke 15 mpg might be what his career average looks like. Which isn't bad necessarily considering where he was selected.
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Re: Game 60: Minnesota Timberwolves (37-26) @ Sacramento Kings (18-41) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#44 » by codydaze » Thu Mar 1, 2018 1:15 am

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I don't know about the restrictions. He is 16 months past the knee and has been cleared and says he is 100 healthy and is practicing without restriction. By next year it will be 24 months past the injury. He shouldn't be held back.


Agreed, I doubt he'll have any restrictions. I'm kind of disappointed we won't get to see him at least in Reno this year but I can't wait for Summer League to see what he's got.


If you think Harry Giles won't have minutes restrictions next year you are crazy. This is a guy we're holding out an ENTIRE YEAR as a precaution. Of course the Kings aren't expecting him to play heavy minutes or back-to-backs next year. Practice is a lot different than an NBA game in terms of the toll it takes on your body.

Playing a talented, yet injury-plagued guy 30 minutes a night/82 games a year would be asinine for a team early on in a long term rebuild. Wont happen. I'm expecting 15 minutes a night/37 games played next year (including some missed time for injury setbacks). Just being realistic.


With Zbo, Skal and Willie in the front court he wouldn’t be seeing 30 minutes a night anyway. I could see playing less back to backs early in the year but by January I would guess he’d be good to go. It will have been two and half years since his last surgery by that point.


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Re: Game 60: Minnesota Timberwolves (37-26) @ Sacramento Kings (18-41) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#45 » by kingjawn100 » Thu Mar 1, 2018 2:12 am

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Agreed, I doubt he'll have any restrictions. I'm kind of disappointed we won't get to see him at least in Reno this year but I can't wait for Summer League to see what he's got.


If you think Harry Giles won't have minutes restrictions next year you are crazy. This is a guy we're holding out an ENTIRE YEAR as a precaution. Of course the Kings aren't expecting him to play heavy minutes or back-to-backs next year. Practice is a lot different than an NBA game in terms of the toll it takes on your body.

Playing a talented, yet injury-plagued guy 30 minutes a night/82 games a year would be asinine for a team early on in a long term rebuild. Wont happen. I'm expecting 15 minutes a night/37 games played next year (including some missed time for injury setbacks). Just being realistic.


With Zbo, Skal and Willie in the front court he wouldn’t be seeing 30 minutes a night anyway. I could see playing less back to backs early in the year but by January I would guess he’d be good to go. It will have been two and half years since his last surgery by that point.


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i wouldn't be shocked either if he spends a good portion of the first half of the year in Reno seeing decent minutes as opposed to garbage time in the NBA. With the number of bigs that will likely be returning his minutes would be limited anyway on the Kings. i could see him getting real minutes on the Kings roster come this time next year with him as our opening night starter in the 2019-2020 season if he's healthy.
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Re: RE: Re: Game 60: Minnesota Timberwolves (37-26) @ Sacramento Kings (18-41) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#46 » by jazanetti » Thu Mar 1, 2018 8:14 am

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Are you being sarcastic?

I'm absolutely serious. Just look at numbers:
49,4 FG% (reducing every year), 60,6 FT%

His most frequently used shot types are (except dunks and alley-oops):

Type | FGM | FGA | FG%
Hook Shot | 33 | 83 | 39,8
Jump Shot | 59 | 170 | 34,7
Layup | 99 | 212 | 46,7

By Area:
Restricted Area | 192 | 296 | 64,9
In The Paint (Non-RA) | 46 | 160 | 28,8
Mid-Range | 45 | 112 | 40,2

While seeing him defending against solid big men like Towns makes me cry.


I'd be curious to compare those numbers with other big men and exclude dunks and layups. Not saying his #s are good.

It was not about comparison. Willie tries to do post moves, hooks and jump shots, but numbers show that he is awful in these areas. He is very limited offensively and doesn't show progress. We can deal with it in theory, using him in similar way as Jordan or Capella. The problem is - he can't rebound and defend the paint, so we need to pair him with another defensive minded big man. But this kills stretching the floor and provide problems for shooters... So, I don't think the pros of using Willie outweigh the cons. That's what I'm trying to say.
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Re: RE: Re: Game 60: Minnesota Timberwolves (37-26) @ Sacramento Kings (18-41) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#47 » by benchmobbin02 » Thu Mar 1, 2018 12:42 pm

jazanetti wrote:
benchmobbin02 wrote:
jazanetti wrote:I'm absolutely serious. Just look at numbers:
49,4 FG% (reducing every year), 60,6 FT%

His most frequently used shot types are (except dunks and alley-oops):

Type | FGM | FGA | FG%
Hook Shot | 33 | 83 | 39,8
Jump Shot | 59 | 170 | 34,7
Layup | 99 | 212 | 46,7

By Area:
Restricted Area | 192 | 296 | 64,9
In The Paint (Non-RA) | 46 | 160 | 28,8
Mid-Range | 45 | 112 | 40,2

While seeing him defending against solid big men like Towns makes me cry.


I'd be curious to compare those numbers with other big men and exclude dunks and layups. Not saying his #s are good.


It was not about comparison. Willie tries to do post moves, hooks and jump shots, but numbers show that he is awful in these areas. He is very limited offensively and doesn't show progress. We can deal with it in theory, using him in similar way as Jordan or Capella. The problem is - he can't rebound and defend the paint, so we need to pair him with another defensive minded big man. But this kills stretching the floor and provide problems for shooters... So, I don't think the pros of using Willie outweigh the cons. That's what I'm trying to say.


So it's impossible to pair him with someone that is defensive minded and stretches the floor...
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!
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Re: RE: Re: Game 60: Minnesota Timberwolves (37-26) @ Sacramento Kings (18-41) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#48 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Mar 2, 2018 12:38 am

jazanetti wrote:
benchmobbin02 wrote:
jazanetti wrote:I'm absolutely serious. Just look at numbers:
49,4 FG% (reducing every year), 60,6 FT%

His most frequently used shot types are (except dunks and alley-oops):

Type | FGM | FGA | FG%
Hook Shot | 33 | 83 | 39,8
Jump Shot | 59 | 170 | 34,7
Layup | 99 | 212 | 46,7

By Area:
Restricted Area | 192 | 296 | 64,9
In The Paint (Non-RA) | 46 | 160 | 28,8
Mid-Range | 45 | 112 | 40,2

While seeing him defending against solid big men like Towns makes me cry.


I'd be curious to compare those numbers with other big men and exclude dunks and layups. Not saying his #s are good.

It was not about comparison. Willie tries to do post moves, hooks and jump shots, but numbers show that he is awful in these areas. He is very limited offensively and doesn't show progress. We can deal with it in theory, using him in similar way as Jordan or Capella. The problem is - he can't rebound and defend the paint, so we need to pair him with another defensive minded big man. But this kills stretching the floor and provide problems for shooters... So, I don't think the pros of using Willie outweigh the cons. That's what I'm trying to say.



I think more than anyone else they are giving Willie a chance to be the player his trainers said would redefine the position. Now they are starting to accumulate enough information to hopefully deduce that defining his role moving on is the better option. Cut the fat as they say. Create more set opportunities for him rather than having him create those opportunities.

I think if anything the better option with Willie could be changing up the gameplan on defense. It needs to anyway. You can't survive dictating your defense around the paint like this. Willie came in as a big who could switch and while they've done more of that, I'd like to see even more.

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