[SERIOUS] Why are the Kings bad?

[dark shark]

Hi I'm visiting here. I was always intrigued with the Kings during the Webber era. Seriously asking since I haven't followed them since. Why have they been so bad for so many years? They had some pretty good players over the years, one of the best crowds, best fans, good looking jersey's, logo, color scheme. I guess I'm looking for a pretty elaborate answer that'll make me understand why they have been bad.

[SacKingZZZ]

This could take forever. Long story short, never fully committing to winning or rebuilding and trying to do both at the same time. The Maloof era was obviously hamstrung for a variety of reasons but I'll say this for Viveks tenure:

1. Hired the wrong management (PDA, Mullin, horrible)
2. Hired the wrong coach (Karl) for their franchise player (Cuz).
3. Instead of building a team around him they went BPA with the only assets they had (draft picks) and watched all their value die on the vine because they weren't allowed to produce (Even Trob could have put up some numbers, winning? Probably not but still. Build him up and flip him).
4. Hired the right coach (Joerger) for their star but had little assets at that point to build a team around him so they traded him.
5. Now we sit in position where perhaps they again have the wrong coach for their young team. If so then the path continues on as all value is leeched from their young talent.

It always seems like the right move finally comes but too late or at the wrong time. Had they not fired Karl and instead traded Cousins they might have a coach that fits the young players they have now much better. At this point it comes down to how much Joerger can either get these young players to shine in his system, or play the right system for them.

[dark shark]

This could take forever. Long story short, never fully committing to winning or rebuilding and trying to do both at the same time. The Maloof era was obviously hamstrung for a variety of reasons but I'll say this for Viveks tenure:

1. Hired the wrong management (PDA, Mullin, horrible)
2. Hired the wrong coach (Karl) for their franchise player (Cuz).
3. Instead of building a team around him they went BPA with the only assets they had (draft picks) and watched all their value die on the vine because they weren't allowed to produce (Even Trob could have put up some numbers, winning? Probably not but still. Build him up and flip him).
4. Hired the right coach (Joerger) for their star but had little assets at that point to build a team around him so they traded him.
5. Now we sit in position where perhaps they again have the wrong coach for their young team. If so then the path continues on as all value is leeched from their young talent.

It always seems like the right move finally comes but too late or at the wrong time. Had they not fired Karl and instead traded Cousins they might have a coach that fits the young players they have now much better. At this point it comes down to how much Joerger can either get these young players to shine in his system, or play the right system for them.

Ok thank you for the answer. My understanding is that they just had some unfortunate timing with their moves because the pieces were always there..

[SacKingZZZ]

This could take forever. Long story short, never fully committing to winning or rebuilding and trying to do both at the same time. The Maloof era was obviously hamstrung for a variety of reasons but I'll say this for Viveks tenure:

1. Hired the wrong management (PDA, Mullin, horrible)
2. Hired the wrong coach (Karl) for their franchise player (Cuz).
3. Instead of building a team around him they went BPA with the only assets they had (draft picks) and watched all their value die on the vine because they weren't allowed to produce (Even Trob could have put up some numbers, winning? Probably not but still. Build him up and flip him).
4. Hired the right coach (Joerger) for their star but had little assets at that point to build a team around him so they traded him.
5. Now we sit in position where perhaps they again have the wrong coach for their young team. If so then the path continues on as all value is leeched from their young talent.

It always seems like the right move finally comes but too late or at the wrong time. Had they not fired Karl and instead traded Cousins they might have a coach that fits the young players they have now much better. At this point it comes down to how much Joerger can either get these young players to shine in his system, or play the right system for them.

Ok thank you for the answer. My understanding is that they just had some unfortunate timing with their moves because the pieces were always there..

I'd say it's timing along with some poor decisions for sure. The pieces and moves never seem to sink up at the right time. When their plans shift they don't make the necessary moves around that shift in order to make it work.

[BoogieTime]

Bad time to bring up Kings don’t have a representative in SI’s top 100 in 2019 list (only team without a member)?

[codydaze]

Bad time to bring up Kings don’t have a representative in SI’s top 100 in 2019 list (only team without a member)?

Eh, it's just a list, it's not a big deal. Even though I'm one of the bigger WCS critics, I'd still take him over Brook Lopez, Pau Gasol or Dirk at this point in their careers. Buddy and Bogdan will likely prove they deserved a spot on that list as well this year.

[SacKingZZZ]

Bad time to bring up Kings don’t have a representative in SI’s top 100 in 2019 list (only team without a member)?

When you run 12 man rotations and spread roughly amount equal amount of minutes to role players over your best talent this is what happens. No Kings player was even allowed to do anything more than average and if the Kings don't change that they have no shot. It's time to narrow that rotation down and start letting the talent you saw all that value in with high picks or as trade targets shine. No more 2nd rounder role player love until you have some breakout players and recoup some of that value.

[OhioKingsFan]

Why are the Kings bad?
-The Kings really don't have a guy that leads them, there is no "star player".
-We have too many big men and too few wings in a league that favors wing and guard play.
-Too many elite "athletes" without elite skills.
-Poor front office decision making in trades, free agent signings,
-Too many under-performers taken with high draft picks.
-The Kings as an organization have lost credibility with the players and media. We can't attract marquee free agents unless we significantly overpay, so the draft is our best chance at improving talent... but we keep leaving draft day feeling like we didn't get the best or even the right players available.
-Last year there was such a discrepancy between the style that would benefit the young players and the style that was actually played in games.

Is there reason for hope?
-Sure! Fox, Buddy, Bogdan, and Giles look to me like they could all be legitimate starting caliber players this season. WCS, Kosta, Bjelica, and Yogi are all rotation NBA players. Sadly, we're still looking for consistent signs of life from JJ and Skal, while Frank Mason is not yet ready to handle the backup PG spot.
-My hope is definitely tempered. Hopefully the Kings will be a "fun" team this year, but they won't be a good team.
-The path to improvement seems to be somewhat clear: invest in player development, target a wing, improve front office competency (Vlade is not the man for the job). Unfortunately, since we don't have a draft pick this year, I don't expect to see signs of a "good team" until at least another 2 seasons have played out. I'm looking at you draft of 2020!

[J_T]

My opinion is not going to be very popular around here, but I was always believing that Sacramento fan base cares more about having fun than about winning. And the FO adapts to that. If Sac FO is not the worst in the league it has to be one of the bottom 3. The FO has been making decision just for the sake of making decisions, without rational reasoning and without basic if-then thought process. There is a RFA available and he has problems? Vlade is going to offer him major money, no problem. Why? Just because he can.

The draft decision is another example of incompetent deliberation process. There is no excuse. Vlade got something into his skull and once that happens, it's done. If Sacramento had 2nd AND 3rd pick in the draft, they would have picked Bagley and MPJ, that's how crazy Vlade and his gang is.

It's just supposed to be a fun team, nobody even dares to imagine they could ever contend for anything. Kind of like Clippers, especially Clippers from 15+ years ago. I was actually intrigued by identical perception of both teams, in slightly different era's so I googled jokes associated with either team. You notice anything interesting?

Spoiler:

Q: What do you call an Los Angeles Clippers player with a championship ring?
A: A thief.

Q: What's the difference between the Los Angeles Clippers and a dollar bill?
A: You can still get four quarters out of a dollar bill.

Q: What do the Los Angeles Clippers and possums have in common?
A: Both play dead at home and get killed on the road!

Q: What is the difference between a Clippers fan and a baby?
A: The baby will stop whining after awhile.

Q: How many Los Angeles Clippers players does it take to change a tire?
A: One, unless it's a blowout, in which case they all show up

Q: What do you call 12 millionaires around a TV watching the NBA Finals?
A: The Los Angeles Clippers.

Q: How do you keep an Los Angeles Clippers player out of your yard?
A: Put up a basketball net.

Q: What is a Los Angeles Clippers fan's favorite whine?
A: "We can't beat the Lakers."

Q: Have you seen the Disney movie about Blake Griffin?
A: It's called "Honey I Dunked the Kids".

Q: What do the Clippers and a nail have in common?
A: They are both good till they hit the wood.

Q: How do you stop an Los Angeles Clippers fan from beating his wife?
A: Dress her in Los Angeles Purple and Gold!

Q: What is th difference between a bucket of **** and an Los Angeles Clippers fan?
A: The bucket.

Q: If you have a car containing a Clippers power forward, a Clippers point guard, and a Clippers center, who is driving the car?
A: The cop.

Q: How do you casterate an Los Angeles Clippers fan?
A: Kick his sister in the mouth

Q: What should you do if you find three Los Angeles Clippers basketball fans buried up to their neck in cement?
A: Get more cement.

Q: What's the difference between an Los Angeles Clippers fan and a carp?
A: One is a bottom-feeding, scum sucker, and the other is a fish.

Q. How did the Los Angeles Clippers fan die from drinking milk?
A. The cow fell on him!

Q: What does an Los Angeles Clippers fan do when his team has won the NBA Finals?
A: He turns off the PlayStation 3.

Q: How many Los Angeles Clippers fans does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. Lava lamps don't burn out man!

Q: What does a Los Angeles Clippers fan and a bottle of beer have in common?
A: They're both empty from the neck up.

Q: Why do Los Angeles Clippers fans keep their season tickets on their dashboards?
A: So they can park in handicap spaces.

Q: How do the Clippers spend the first week of training camp?
A: Studying the Miranda Rights

Q: How do you keep a Clippers fan from masterbating?
A: You paint his dick Los Angeles purple and gold and he won't beat it for years!

Q. Why do ducks fly over Staples Center upside down?
A. There's nothing worth craping on!

Q: What do you call a Los Angeles Clipper in the NBA Finals?
A: A referee.

Q: Did you hear that the Clippers basketball team doesn't have a website?
A: They can't string three "Ws" together.

Q: Why are Los Angeles Clippers jokes getting dumber and dumber?
A: Because Clippers fans have started to make them up themselves.

Q: What's the difference between the Los Angeles Clippers and a pinball machine?
A: You can score more points against the Clippers.

Yo mama is so stupid she went to the clippers game for a haircut

According to a new poll 91 percent of people are satisfied with their lives.
The other 9 percent are Los Angeles Clippers fans.

Can a Los Angeles Clippers player drive a stick?
Only if they remove the clutch.

My wife was about to put my son in a Los Angeles Clippers jersey, but I reminded her it was a choking hazard.

I took my broken vacuum cleaner back to the store.
They put a Clippers jersey on it and now it sucks again.

Yo mama so tall and clumsy, she airballs more free throws then DeAndre Jordan.

Why did the Los Angeles Clippers fan cross the road.....I was thinking when I accelerated.

I heard Donald Trump is going to build a wall with all the bricks the Los Angeles Clippers laid tonight.

A Clippers fan doesn't always eat pastries, but when he does it's usually a turnover.

Clippers Fan

A Clippers fan dies on match day and goes to heaven in his Royal Blue and Red jersey. He knocks on the old pearly gates and out walks St. Peter.
"Hello mate" says St. Peter, "I'm sorry, no Clippers fans in heaven."
"What ?" exclaims the man, astonished.
"You heard, no Clippers fans."
"But, but, but, I've been a good man", replies the Clippers supporter.
"Oh really", says St. Peter. "What have you done, then ?"
"Well" said the supporter, "Three weeks before I died, I gave 100 dollars to the starving children in Africa".
"Oh" says St.Peter. "anything else?"
"Well, 2 weeks before I died I also gave 100 dollars to the homeless."
"Hmmm. Anything else?"
"Yeah. A week before I died I gave 100 dollars to the Albanian orphans."
"Okay", said St. Peter, "You wait here a minute while I have a word with the god."
Ten minutes pass before St. Peter returns.
He looks the bloke in the eye and says, "I've had a word with God and he agrees with me. Here's your $300 dollars back, now **** off".

Genie
A Clippers fan and a Lakers fan stumble upon a magic lamp.
The Clippers fan gets to it first, picks it up and gives it a rub. There's a flash, a puff of smoke, and a genie appears
The genie looks at the 2 men and demands to know who it was that rubbed the lamp. Delighted, the Clippers fan announces that it was him.
"Okay," says the genie, "So you get 3 wishes. But there's a catch."
"What's that then?" asks the 'Gers fan.
"Well, whatever you wish for, I'll give the other guy double."
"That's alright with me," says the Clippers fan, and starts the ball rolling by wishing for a million pounds.
"Granted!" says the genie, "But the Lakers fan gets 2 million."
"Fair enough. Now, I'd like a nice new Ferrari,"
"Done. But the Lakers fan gets 2 Ferraris."
"Okay," says the Clippers fan, "I'd like to donate a kidney.

Baron Davis

Baron Davis walks into a sperm donor bank in London...
"I'd like to donate some sperm" he says to the receptionist.
"Certainly Sir" replies the receptionist, "have you donated before?".
"Yes" replies Baron "you should have my details on your computer".
"Oh yes, I've found your details" says the receptionist "but I see you're going to need help. Shall I call your wife for you?"
"Why do I need help?" asks Baron . The receptionist replies
"Well, it says on your record that you're a useless wanker...."

Condoms

What's clear and goes on a prick? A clear condom,
What's black and goes on a prick? A black condom,
What's royal blue and red and goes on a prick? A Clippers Jersey.

Thats A Problem
What do you call 10 Los Angeles Clippers fans on the moon?
A problem.
What do you call 100 Los Angeles Clippers fans on the moon?
A problem.
What do you call 1000 Los Angeles Clippers fans on the moon?
Still a problem.
what do you call all of the Los Angeles Clippers fans on the moon?
PROBLEM SOLVED!

Spoiler:

Q: What do you call an Sacramento Kings player with a championship ring?
A: A thief.

Q: What's the difference between the Sacramento Kings and a dollar bill?
A: You can still get four quarters out of a dollar bill.

Q: What do the Sacramento Kings and possums have in common?
A: Both play dead at home and get killed on the road!

Q: What is the difference between a Kings fan and a baby?
A: The baby will stop whining after awhile.

Q: How many Sacramento Kings players does it take to change a tire?
A: One, unless it's a blowout, in which case they all show up

Q: What do you call 12 millionaires around a TV watching the NBA Finals?
A: The Sacramento Kings.

Q: How do you keep an Sacramento Kings player out of your yard?
A: Put up a basketball net.

Q: What is a Sacramento Kings fan's favorite whine?
A: "We can't beat Los Angeles."

Q: How do you stop an Sacramento Kings fan from beating his wife?
A: Dress her in Los Angeles Purple and Gold!

Q: What do the Kings and a nail have in common?
A: They are both good till they hit the wood.

Q: What is th difference between a bucket of **** and an Sacramento Kings fan?
A: The bucket.

Q: If you have a car containing a Kings power forward, a Kings point guard, and a Kings center, who is driving the car?
A: The cop.

Q: How do you casterate an Sacramento Kings fan?
A: Kick his sister in the mouth

Q: What should you do if you find three Sacramento Kings basketball fans buried up to their neck in cement?
A: Get more cement.

Q: What's the difference between an Sacramento Kings fan and a carp?
A: One is a bottom-feeding, scum sucker, and the other is a fish.

Q. How did the Sacramento Kings fan die from drinking milk?
A. The cow fell on him!

Q: What's the difference between Demarcus Cousins and time?
A: Time passes.

Q: What does an Sacramento Kings fan do when his team has won the NBA Finals?
A: He turns off the PlayStation 3.

Q: How many Sacramento Kings fans does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. Lava lamps don't burn out man!

Q: What does a Sacramento Kings fan and a bottle of beer have in common?
A: They're both empty from the neck up.

Q: Why do Sacramento Kings fans keep their season tickets on their dashboards?
A: So they can park in handicap spaces.

Q: How do the Kings spend the first week of training camp?
A: Studying the Miranda Rights

Q: How do you keep a Kings fan from masterbating?
A: You paint his dick Los Angeles purple and gold and he won't beat it for years!

Q. Why do ducks fly over ARCO Arena upside down?
A. There's nothing worth craping on!

Q: Why doesn't San Francisco have a professional basketball team?
A: Because then Sacramento would want one.

Q: What do you call a Sacramento King in the NBA Finals?
A: A referee.

Q: Did you hear that Sacramento's basketball team doesn't have a website?
A: They can't string three "Ws" together.

Q: Why are Sacramento Kings jokes getting dumber and dumber?
A: Because Kings fans have started to make them up themselves.

Q: What's the difference between the Sacramento Kings and a pinball machine?
A: You can score more points against the Kings.

According to a new poll 91 percent of people are satisfied with their lives.
The other 9 percent are Sacramento Kings fans.

Can a Sacramento Kings player drive a stick?
Only if they remove the clutch.

My wife was about to put my son in a Sacramento Kings jersey, but I reminded her it was a choking hazard.

I took my broken vacuum cleaner back to the store.
They put a Sacramento Kings jersey on it and now it sucks again.

Why did the Sacramento Kings fan cross the road.....I was thinking when I accelerated.

I heard Donald Trump is going to build a wall with all the bricks the Sacramento Kings laid tonight.

A Sacramento Kings fan doesn't always eat pastries, but when he does it's usually a turnover.

Kings Fan

A Kings fan dies on match day and goes to heaven in his Purple and Silver jersey. He knocks on the old pearly gates and out walks St. Peter.
"Hello mate" says St. Peter, "I'm sorry, no Kings fans in heaven."
"What ?" exclaims the man, astonished.
"You heard, no Kings fans."
"But, but, but, I've been a good man", replies the Kings supporter.
"Oh really", says St. Peter. "What have you done, then ?"
"Well" said the supporter, "Three weeks before I died, I gave 100 dollars to the starving children in Africa".
"Oh" says St.Peter. "anything else?"
"Well, 2 weeks before I died I also gave 100 dollars to the homeless."
"Hmmm. Anything else?"
"Yeah. A week before I died I gave 100 dollars to the Albanian orphans."
"Okay", said St. Peter, "You wait here a minute while I have a word with the god."
Ten minutes pass before St. Peter returns.
He looks the bloke in the eye and says, "I've had a word with God and he agrees with me. Here's your $300 dollars back, now **** off".

Genie
A Kings fan and a Lakers fan stumble upon a magic lamp.
The Kings fan gets to it first, picks it up and gives it a rub. There's a flash, a puff of smoke, and a genie appears
The genie looks at the 2 men and demands to know who it was that rubbed the lamp. Delighted, the Kings fan announces that it was him.
"Okay," says the genie, "So you get 3 wishes. But there's a catch."
"What's that then?" asks the 'Gers fan.
"Well, whatever you wish for, I'll give the other guy double."
"That's alright with me," says the Kings fan, and starts the ball rolling by wishing for a million pounds.
"Granted!" says the genie, "But the Lakers fan gets 2 million."
"Fair enough. Now, I'd like a nice new Ferrari,"
"Done. But the Lakers fan gets 2 Ferraris."
"Okay," says the Kings fan, "I'd like to donate a kidney.

Omri Casspi

Omri Casspi walks into a sperm donor bank in London...
"I'd like to donate some sperm" he says to the receptionist.
"Certainly Sir" replies the receptionist, "have you donated before?".
"Yes" replies Omri "you should have my details on your computer".
"Oh yes, I've found your details" says the receptionist "but I see you're going to need help. Shall I call your wife for you?"
"Why do I need help?" asks Omri . The receptionist replies
"Well, it says on your record that you're a useless wanker...."

Condoms

What's clear and goes on a prick? A clear condom,
What's black and goes on a prick? A black condom,
What's purple and silver and goes on a prick? A Kings Jersey.

Thats A Problem
What do you call 10 Sacramento Kings fans on the moon?
A problem.
What do you call 100 Sacramento Kings fans on the moon?
A problem.
What do you call 1000 Sacramento Kings fans on the moon?
Still a problem.
what do you call all of the Sacramento Kings fans on the moon?
PROBLEM SOLVED!

[SacKingZZZ]

Why are the Kings bad?
-The Kings really don't have a guy that leads them, there is no "star player".
-We have too many big men and too few wings in a league that favors wing and guard play.
-Too many elite "athletes" without elite skills.
-Poor front office decision making in trades, free agent signings,
-Too many under-performers taken with high draft picks.
-The Kings as an organization have lost credibility with the players and media. We can't attract marquee free agents unless we significantly overpay, so the draft is our best chance at improving talent... but we keep leaving draft day feeling like we didn't get the best or even the right players available.
-Last year there was such a discrepancy between the style that would benefit the young players and the style that was actually played in games.

Is there reason for hope?
-Sure! Fox, Buddy, Bogdan, and Giles look to me like they could all be legitimate starting caliber players this season. WCS, Kosta, Bjelica, and Yogi are all rotation NBA players. Sadly, we're still looking for consistent signs of life from JJ and Skal, while Frank Mason is not yet ready to handle the backup PG spot.
-My hope is definitely tempered. Hopefully the Kings will be a "fun" team this year, but they won't be a good team.
-The path to improvement seems to be somewhat clear: invest in player development, target a wing, improve front office competency (Vlade is not the man for the job). Unfortunately, since we don't have a draft pick this year, I don't expect to see signs of a "good team" until at least another 2 seasons have played out. I'm looking at you draft of 2020!

It depends on what way you're talking about. In terms of productivity every team has a "star". You can take a player out of the freaking G league and put them in a position to be a "star". The Kings have haven't exactly taken question mark after question mark in the top of the draft lately. If they all fail it's on the coaching/development staff period.