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Re: 2021 College Basketball / Draft THREAD 

Post#21 » by codydaze » Sun Feb 7, 2021 12:53 am

City of Trees wrote:Kings find themselves at .500 with almost 1/3 of the season complete. Landing a Top 5 pick is still alive however I don't see it happening without a major injury. I think the Kings finish in the 8-13 range


Yeah, we pretty much need to pray to the lottery gods to land a top 4 pick at this point. If we were to end up finishing at 10 and then win the play in game, how does that work though?
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Post#22 » by nolang1 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 1:01 am

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City of Trees wrote:Kings find themselves at .500 with almost 1/3 of the season complete. Landing a Top 5 pick is still alive however I don't see it happening without a major injury. I think the Kings finish in the 8-13 range


Yeah, we pretty much need to pray to the lottery gods to land a top 4 pick at this point. If we were to end up finishing at 10 and then win the play in game, how does that work though?


Lotto position is locked in before that, and then whoever wins the play in game is a playoff team slotted with the other playoff teams in reverse order of record.
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Post#23 » by SmellingColors » Sun Feb 7, 2021 1:38 am

nolang1 wrote:
codydaze wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Kings find themselves at .500 with almost 1/3 of the season complete. Landing a Top 5 pick is still alive however I don't see it happening without a major injury. I think the Kings finish in the 8-13 range


Yeah, we pretty much need to pray to the lottery gods to land a top 4 pick at this point. If we were to end up finishing at 10 and then win the play in game, how does that work though?


Draft position is locked in before that.


Tankathon says all non-playoff teams go to the lottery so I think the play-in also determines draft position.

http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

EDIT: Whoops. Didn't see your edit.
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Post#24 » by nolang1 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 1:55 am

SmellingColors wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
codydaze wrote:
Yeah, we pretty much need to pray to the lottery gods to land a top 4 pick at this point. If we were to end up finishing at 10 and then win the play in game, how does that work though?


Draft position is locked in before that.


Tankathon says all non-playoff teams go to the lottery so I think the play-in also determines draft position.

http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

EDIT: Whoops. Didn't see your edit.


Yeah what I first meant to say was that regular season records and the seeding for the lottery is locked in. You can fall out of the lottery by winning the play-in but you can't move up unless teams with a worse record than you qualify for the playoffs.
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Post#25 » by City of Trees » Mon Feb 8, 2021 7:03 am

SmellingColors wrote:Has anyone taken a look at Franz Wagner? German player at Michigan right now. 6'8" SF with good defense. Averaging about a stl and block per game. Right now a 30% 3pt shooter, but an 80% FT shooter which may bode well for his 3pt potential in the NBA. Tankathon has him going to us right now at 12 so I thought I'd take a look.
Woah Franz can play. I did not see that coming. I expected to see more of his brother. Nope. Franz can actually play. Two way player potential, they say, however I'm still skeptical on the defensive end. NBA bigs are much tougher than what he's seeing right now.

But he can handle, shoot with range, playmaking, see's the court, one handed passes with the left or right, and sprinkles in some shot blocking. Good IQ. Can't ask for more at #14
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Post#26 » by City of Trees » Mon Feb 8, 2021 7:33 am

If the Kings are picking 10 and up Franz should be considered.
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Post#27 » by codydaze » Mon Feb 8, 2021 7:12 pm

Add Corey Kispert to the watch list for a late lottery pick.
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Post#28 » by kb02 » Tue Feb 9, 2021 1:13 pm

Had another full viewing of Mobley. My views haven't changed. I see a young Aldridge. Going to be a sometimes all star, but I don't see Garnett. The quality of college basketball this year has really gone down.

Illinois has two first rounders: Ayo Donsunmu and Kofi Cockburn. Donsumu is playing point for the Illini--legit 6'5, facilitator. Stare hard enough and there's a lot of Fox/Elfrid Payton to his game. More Payton than Fox. But a 1/2 type, who will defend either spot and will be a10 year pro. Mid to late first. Cockburn is probably the biggest beast in college hoops. In another era, he'd be a top 3 pick. Just enormous and athletic too. Think Zach Randolph size without the skill. Late first.
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Post#29 » by kb02 » Tue Feb 9, 2021 1:19 pm

codydaze wrote:Add Corey Kispert to the watch list for a late lottery pick.


In the one full game that I saw, Kispert looked very pedestrian to me. Has a shot. I wouldn't take him in the first. Small sample size. I think Grant Anticevich is a better player. Anticevich reminds me of a young Joe Ingles. Not as skilled with the ball, but should be a better shooter long term.
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Post#30 » by codydaze » Tue Feb 9, 2021 5:27 pm

kb02 wrote:Had another full viewing of Mobley. My views haven't changed. I see a young Aldridge. Going to be a sometimes all star, but I don't see Garnett. The quality of college basketball this year has really gone down.

Illinois has two first rounders: Ayo Donsunmu and Kofi Cockburn. Donsumu is playing point for the Illini--legit 6'5, facilitator. Stare hard enough and there's a lot of Fox/Elfrid Payton to his game. More Payton than Fox. But a 1/2 type, who will defend either spot and will be a10 year pro. Mid to late first. Cockburn is probably the biggest beast in college hoops. In another era, he'd be a top 3 pick. Just enormous and athletic too. Think Zach Randolph size without the skill. Late first.


He's a far better defender and passer than Aldridge has ever been though and I have always been a big Lamarcus Aldridge fan. He's not an option for us at this point but I would take him #1 overall in this draft.
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Post#31 » by SmellingColors » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:58 pm

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kb02 wrote:Had another full viewing of Mobley. My views haven't changed. I see a young Aldridge. Going to be a sometimes all star, but I don't see Garnett. The quality of college basketball this year has really gone down.

Illinois has two first rounders: Ayo Donsunmu and Kofi Cockburn. Donsumu is playing point for the Illini--legit 6'5, facilitator. Stare hard enough and there's a lot of Fox/Elfrid Payton to his game. More Payton than Fox. But a 1/2 type, who will defend either spot and will be a10 year pro. Mid to late first. Cockburn is probably the biggest beast in college hoops. In another era, he'd be a top 3 pick. Just enormous and athletic too. Think Zach Randolph size without the skill. Late first.


He's a far better defender and passer than Aldridge has ever been though and I have always been a big Lamarcus Aldridge fan. He's not an option for us at this point but I would take him #1 overall in this draft.


Looking more likely with each game that we'll move up in draft position especially if Monte starts selling off our vets (which I hope he does).

There are some interesting similarities to Aldridge, like wingspan, that I can see, but Mobley's lateral quickness is much better (I remember thinking it felt like Aldridge was walking on stilts at times). He's shooting a small amount of 3's and making them at the college level already which LA never did (it was a different game), has a higher FT% so far on 1.5 attempts more than LA did in college, he's averaging more points/rebounds, and he's averaging 3 blocks a game - 1 more than LA did. He's also showing he can be a passer, although needs to improve there. He's averaging 2.2 assists a game which is pretty high for a big man in college.

I think Mobley could wind up being a defensive anchor for a team like Gobert has been for the Jazz, but with an offensive skillset other than lobs.
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Post#32 » by codydaze » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:05 pm

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kb02 wrote:Had another full viewing of Mobley. My views haven't changed. I see a young Aldridge. Going to be a sometimes all star, but I don't see Garnett. The quality of college basketball this year has really gone down.

Illinois has two first rounders: Ayo Donsunmu and Kofi Cockburn. Donsumu is playing point for the Illini--legit 6'5, facilitator. Stare hard enough and there's a lot of Fox/Elfrid Payton to his game. More Payton than Fox. But a 1/2 type, who will defend either spot and will be a10 year pro. Mid to late first. Cockburn is probably the biggest beast in college hoops. In another era, he'd be a top 3 pick. Just enormous and athletic too. Think Zach Randolph size without the skill. Late first.


He's a far better defender and passer than Aldridge has ever been though and I have always been a big Lamarcus Aldridge fan. He's not an option for us at this point but I would take him #1 overall in this draft.


Looking more likely with each game that we'll move up in draft position especially if Monte starts selling off our vets (which I hope he does).

There are some interesting similarities to Aldridge, like wingspan, that I can see, but Mobley's lateral quickness is much better (I remember thinking it felt like Aldridge was walking on stilts at times). He's shooting a small amount of 3's and making them at the college level already which LA never did (it was a different game), has a higher FT% so far on 1.5 attempts more than LA did in college, he's averaging more points/rebounds, and he's averaging 3 blocks a game - 1 more than LA did. He's also showing he can be a passer, although needs to improve there. He's averaging 2.2 assists a game which is pretty high for a big man in college.

I think Mobley could wind up being a defensive anchor for a team like Gobert has been for the Jazz, but with an offensive skillset other than lobs.


Yeah, I'm 100% on the Evan Mobley hype train, I think he's the best prospect in the draft. He needs to put on a little bit of size but I see him as a legit defensive anchor in the league and unlike Gobert, he's excellent in pick and roll defense which would be huge for us. He has great mobility out on the perimeter and is a very smart defender. I can definitely see the Aldridge comp when it comes to offense but he does have better passing instincts, he's unselfish and is a good playmaker for a big man. Watching a lot of the USC games, he gets doubled very often and he's really good at finding the open man out of it. When they use him out of the high post, he's very dangerous.

Right now my top 5 are:

1. Evan Mobley
2. Jonathan Kuminga
3. Cade Cunnigham
4. Jalen Green
5. Jalen Suggs

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