The TRADE Thread 2021

[LightTheBeam]

What is the position of need for Sacrmento to push for playoffs and what is the asset to bring it in?

I assume

Fox
Hali
Barnes
Bagley
Holmes

Maybe Center?

Is Mitchell available?

We've heard this pushing for the playoffs story before.

I imagine the deadline plays out as such -

Maybe a contender gets desperate and makes a trade for Buddy, something where we break him into multiple guys. Otherwise he stays another year.

We probably don't get offered anything for Bagley, so I imagine he just walks at the end of the season. Or we swap him for some irrelevant player

Barnes will be rumored, ultimately they will say we didn't have a good enough offer.

I don't see any other major player really being traded (unless they finally decide to push the Fox for Simmons). Probably use a few seconds to grab some Harkless types. Maybe sell Tristan if anyone wants him.

GM will be safe as usual.

Monte gets fired, if he doesn't make a big move. This is his window.

Possibly.

I think Monte knows that this team isn't good enough to compete despite Viveks wishes. If he mortgages the future he will be the next Vlade.

Or he just says "sorry that huge trade just never came". Extends it out another year.

We will see. The realist in me says we haven't seen Monte do squat in 2 years, I don't see that changing at the deadline. But I will be optimistic if he does.

[kb02]

We've heard this pushing for the playoffs story before.

I imagine the deadline plays out as such -

Maybe a contender gets desperate and makes a trade for Buddy, something where we break him into multiple guys. Otherwise he stays another year.

We probably don't get offered anything for Bagley, so I imagine he just walks at the end of the season. Or we swap him for some irrelevant player

Barnes will be rumored, ultimately they will say we didn't have a good enough offer.

I don't see any other major player really being traded (unless they finally decide to push the Fox for Simmons). Probably use a few seconds to grab some Harkless types. Maybe sell Tristan if anyone wants him.

GM will be safe as usual.

Monte gets fired, if he doesn't make a big move. This is his window.

Possibly.

I think Monte knows that this team isn't good enough to compete despite Viveks wishes. If he mortgages the future he will be the next Vlade.

Or he just says "sorry that huge trade just never came". Extends it out another year.

We will see. The realist in me says we haven't seen Monte do squat in 2 years, I don't see that changing at the deadline. But I will be optimistic if he does.

Amick: "Oh, I think they for sure might. I would be stunned if they didn't make a big trade. You know, it's weird to see people casually talking, you know, people of influence casually talking about like, yeah De'Aaron's in discussions, ya know, not telling teams to not talk about De'Aaron. Haliburton's a different one. It's not that he's untouchable. It's more like if he gets a deal over the finish line, and it's an incredible deal, maybe he ends up being...the idea being in general that no one is untouchable is new"

As it should be. Fox is the most likely to go. Hali only if its something spectacular.

https://kingsherald.com/articles/nba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings-philadelphia-76ers-indiana-pacers-ben-simmons-domantas-sabonis-deaaron-fox/

[LightTheBeam]

I'm not too big on Sabonis. Tweener defensively who doesn't protect the rim with somewhat archaic offensive game.

Whatever it is, no Hali and no draft capital beyond 3 different drafts for these players, for me (still too much for my blood for Simmons/Sabonis)

My first preference is to trade Fox for Simmons, but if Fox and Hali are somehow both still on the Kings, Sabonis is the guy that I'd want. He opens up both their games--Fox can actually cut and score and Hali can bomb from three. Look at Sabonis' assist numbers. Offense is less of an issue than defense for the Kings, but I think getting Sabonis would change how they score, slow the pace down, and in turn slow down the number of points that the Kings give up. Plus its easier to get a defensive big like Javale McGee in FA than someone like Sabonis.

That said, I want Simmons.

I don't understand this. Your best players want to play up tempo. Why do you want to suddenly become a half court team?

If you want to go for Sabonis, neither Fox/Simmons are good fits. Sure Simmons defense would be nice with Sabonis. But Hali, Sabonis, Simmons are all guys who want to play with the ball in their hands. If we get Simmons, double down on defense while adding shooting and grab Turner. Certainly not my first preference, but

Fox for Simmons
Barnes + 1st for Turner

Mitchell - Hali - Buddy - Simmons - Turner

At least you have a legit defensive team with good shooters surrounding Simmons.

[codydaze]

I thought when the reports of Indiana being open to moving Sabonis/Turner, I was down with the idea of trading Fox for Sabonis. The value shouldn't be too far off, I think the idea of pairing Hali and Sabonis would be awesome but I'm also a huge Sabonis fan.

[LightTheBeam]

Monte gets fired, if he doesn't make a big move. This is his window.

Possibly.

I think Monte knows that this team isn't good enough to compete despite Viveks wishes. If he mortgages the future he will be the next Vlade.

Or he just says "sorry that huge trade just never came". Extends it out another year.

We will see. The realist in me says we haven't seen Monte do squat in 2 years, I don't see that changing at the deadline. But I will be optimistic if he does.

Amick: "Oh, I think they for sure might. I would be stunned if they didn't make a big trade. You know, it's weird to see people casually talking, you know, people of influence casually talking about like, yeah De'Aaron's in discussions, ya know, not telling teams to not talk about De'Aaron. Haliburton's a different one. It's not that he's untouchable. It's more like if he gets a deal over the finish line, and it's an incredible deal, maybe he ends up being...the idea being in general that no one is untouchable is new"

As it should be. Fox is the most likely to go. Hali only if its something spectacular.

https://kingsherald.com/articles/nba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings-philadelphia-76ers-indiana-pacers-ben-simmons-domantas-sabonis-deaaron-fox/

We pretty much heard this during the summer.

"Id be shocked if Buddy/Marvin aren't traded".

Like I said, Id be surprised if they actually do. But this team needs a tear down and a new owner. So maybe they make a trade, we will be optimistic for a few weeks before the realization comes in that we mortgaged our future for a team that won't win 40 games. And now we are once again in the worst position in basketball. All because the owner refuses to actually go through a real build. Rinse and repeat.

Its funny to watch Kings fans turn on Fox the way they did Cousins. Hali will be next, give it 2 years.

[kb02]

Possibly.

I think Monte knows that this team isn't good enough to compete despite Viveks wishes. If he mortgages the future he will be the next Vlade.

Or he just says "sorry that huge trade just never came". Extends it out another year.

We will see. The realist in me says we haven't seen Monte do squat in 2 years, I don't see that changing at the deadline. But I will be optimistic if he does.

Amick: "Oh, I think they for sure might. I would be stunned if they didn't make a big trade. You know, it's weird to see people casually talking, you know, people of influence casually talking about like, yeah De'Aaron's in discussions, ya know, not telling teams to not talk about De'Aaron. Haliburton's a different one. It's not that he's untouchable. It's more like if he gets a deal over the finish line, and it's an incredible deal, maybe he ends up being...the idea being in general that no one is untouchable is new"

As it should be. Fox is the most likely to go. Hali only if its something spectacular.

https://kingsherald.com/articles/nba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings-philadelphia-76ers-indiana-pacers-ben-simmons-domantas-sabonis-deaaron-fox/

We pretty much heard this during the summer.

"Id be shocked if Buddy/Marvin aren't traded".

Like I said, Id be surprised if they actually do. But this team needs a tear down and a new owner. So maybe they make a trade, we will be optimistic for a few weeks before the realization comes in that we mortgaged our future for a team that won't win 40 games. And now we are once again in the worst position in basketball. All because the owner refuses to actually go through a real build. Rinse and repeat.

Its funny to watch Kings fans turn on Fox the way they did Cousins. Hali will be next, give it 2 years.

The difference is Monte's job is on the line. This is his window. He doesn't put his stamp on the team now, he won't get another chance to do so.

[kb02]

I'm not too big on Sabonis. Tweener defensively who doesn't protect the rim with somewhat archaic offensive game.

Whatever it is, no Hali and no draft capital beyond 3 different drafts for these players, for me (still too much for my blood for Simmons/Sabonis)

My first preference is to trade Fox for Simmons, but if Fox and Hali are somehow both still on the Kings, Sabonis is the guy that I'd want. He opens up both their games--Fox can actually cut and score and Hali can bomb from three. Look at Sabonis' assist numbers. Offense is less of an issue than defense for the Kings, but I think getting Sabonis would change how they score, slow the pace down, and in turn slow down the number of points that the Kings give up. Plus its easier to get a defensive big like Javale McGee in FA than someone like Sabonis.

That said, I want Simmons.

I don't understand this. Your best players want to play up tempo. Why do you want to suddenly become a half court team?

If you want to go for Sabonis, neither Fox/Simmons are good fits. Sure Simmons defense would be nice with Sabonis. But Hali, Sabonis, Simmons are all guys who want to play with the ball in their hands. If we get Simmons, double down on defense while adding shooting and grab Turner. Certainly not my first preference, but

Fox for Simmons
Barnes + 1st for Turner

Mitchell - Hali - Buddy - Simmons - Turner

At least you have a legit defensive team with good shooters surrounding Simmons.

The worse thing that has happened to the Kings is catering to Fox and Buddy's desire to run. Fox's development has suffered because of it. It's no longer Fox's team. Pretty obvious for a while now.

[LightTheBeam]

Amick: "Oh, I think they for sure might. I would be stunned if they didn't make a big trade. You know, it's weird to see people casually talking, you know, people of influence casually talking about like, yeah De'Aaron's in discussions, ya know, not telling teams to not talk about De'Aaron. Haliburton's a different one. It's not that he's untouchable. It's more like if he gets a deal over the finish line, and it's an incredible deal, maybe he ends up being...the idea being in general that no one is untouchable is new"

As it should be. Fox is the most likely to go. Hali only if its something spectacular.

https://kingsherald.com/articles/nba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings-philadelphia-76ers-indiana-pacers-ben-simmons-domantas-sabonis-deaaron-fox/

We pretty much heard this during the summer.

"Id be shocked if Buddy/Marvin aren't traded".

Like I said, Id be surprised if they actually do. But this team needs a tear down and a new owner. So maybe they make a trade, we will be optimistic for a few weeks before the realization comes in that we mortgaged our future for a team that won't win 40 games. And now we are once again in the worst position in basketball. All because the owner refuses to actually go through a real build. Rinse and repeat.

Its funny to watch Kings fans turn on Fox the way they did Cousins. Hali will be next, give it 2 years.

The difference is Monte's job is on the line. This is his window. He doesn't put his stamp on the team now, he won't get another chance to do so.

Has there been any reports that suggest this to be true?

Has any Sacramento or National insider even suggested that Monte could be out if he doesn't make a huge trade?

I don't see Vivek ponying up the money to fire him even if he should be.

[kb02]

We pretty much heard this during the summer.

"Id be shocked if Buddy/Marvin aren't traded".

Like I said, Id be surprised if they actually do. But this team needs a tear down and a new owner. So maybe they make a trade, we will be optimistic for a few weeks before the realization comes in that we mortgaged our future for a team that won't win 40 games. And now we are once again in the worst position in basketball. All because the owner refuses to actually go through a real build. Rinse and repeat.

Its funny to watch Kings fans turn on Fox the way they did Cousins. Hali will be next, give it 2 years.

The difference is Monte's job is on the line. This is his window. He doesn't put his stamp on the team now, he won't get another chance to do so.

Has there been any reports that suggest this to be true?

Has any Sacramento or National insider even suggested that Monte could be out if he doesn't make a huge trade?

I don't see Vivek ponying up the money to fire him even if he should be.

Don't need any reports to know that you don't do anything for two years, have a sh*tty product on the court, and expect to get a third year as GM.

[rpa]

The difference is Monte's job is on the line. This is his window. He doesn't put his stamp on the team now, he won't get another chance to do so.

Has there been any reports that suggest this to be true?

Has any Sacramento or National insider even suggested that Monte could be out if he doesn't make a huge trade?

I don't see Vivek ponying up the money to fire him even if he should be.

Don't need any reports to know that you don't do anything for two years, have a sh*tty product on the court, and expect to get a third year as GM.

a) Part of the Kings' problem since Vivek took over has been a refusal to have any patience to get better.
b) "Fix this now or you're fired" not only isn't a good way to attract a competent GM, it'll actually the do the opposite: a GM willing to mortgage the entire future for next to nothing gained (play-in!).

I don't really get the hate for Monte here. You're criticizing him for not fixing a dumpster fire in 2 season?

[kb02]

Has there been any reports that suggest this to be true?

Has any Sacramento or National insider even suggested that Monte could be out if he doesn't make a huge trade?

I don't see Vivek ponying up the money to fire him even if he should be.

Don't need any reports to know that you don't do anything for two years, have a sh*tty product on the court, and expect to get a third year as GM.

a) Part of the Kings' problem since Vivek took over has been a refusal to have any patience to get better.
b) "Fix this now or you're fired" not only isn't a good way to attract a competent GM, it'll actually the do the opposite: a GM willing to mortgage the entire future for next to nothing gained (play-in!).

I don't really get the hate for Monte here. You're criticizing him for not fixing a dumpster fire in 2 season?

I'm not at the point where I think Monte needs to be fired, but if he leaves this deadline without a major trade or dumps Hali for meh return, he needs to go.

There's an old fable that goes a father has three sons, he gives each son $1M. One son invests the money and loses it all, another invests it in safe assets and gets a reasonable return, and the third puts the money under his bed. At the end of ten years, the father has to choose a successor for his enterprises. Who does he pick? Certainly not the third kid. Until he does something, Monte is the third kid. Doing nothing is not going to fly with the product that is on the court. This is his window. Dude's gone, if he doesn't do something drastic. To his credit, he seems to understand that this will make or break his tenure with the rumors that the Kings are going big.

[BoogieTime]

I'll still eat my shorts if Fox can be a central piece in a deal for either Simmons/Sabonis

He's not my favorite player, but with all neutrality he's still just starting a max deal putting up negative advanced stats/shooting 25% from 3 with bad D for the season

Not sure anyone is licking their chops at that, but I hope.

I still expect him here past the deadline.

I'll publicly apologize if he is the center of a deal for large talent like that without solid value being attached to him

[kb02]

I'll still eat my shorts if Fox can be a central piece in a deal for either Simmons/Sabonis

He's not my favorite player, but with all neutrality he's still just starting a max deal putting up negative advanced stats/shooting 25% from 3 with bad D for the season

Not sure anyone is licking their chops at that, but I hope.

I still expect him here past the deadline.

I'll publicly apologize if he is the center of a deal for large talent like that without solid value being attached to him

I'll take the other side. I actually think there is a 75% or greater chance that he's gone by the deadline. We'll see.

[rpa]

I'm not at the point where I think Monte needs to be fired, but if he leaves this deadline without a major trade or dumps Hali for meh return, he needs to go.

There's an old fable that goes a father has three sons, he gives each son $1M. One son invests the money and loses it all, another invests it in safe assets and gets a reasonable return, and the third puts the money under his bed. At the end of ten years, the father has to choose a successor for his enterprises. Who does he pick? Certainly not the third kid. Until he does something, Monte is the third kid. Doing nothing is not going to fly with the product that is on the court. This is his window. Dude's gone, if he doesn't do something drastic. To his credit, he seems to understand that this will make or break his tenure with the rumors that the Kings are going big.

So you'd rather Monte be the first kid it sounds like? "Do something for the sake of doing something" is what my takeaway is.

[kb02]

I'm not at the point where I think Monte needs to be fired, but if he leaves this deadline without a major trade or dumps Hali for meh return, he needs to go.

There's an old fable that goes a father has three sons, he gives each son $1M. One son invests the money and loses it all, another invests it in safe assets and gets a reasonable return, and the third puts the money under his bed. At the end of ten years, the father has to choose a successor for his enterprises. Who does he pick? Certainly not the third kid. Until he does something, Monte is the third kid. Doing nothing is not going to fly with the product that is on the court. This is his window. Dude's gone, if he doesn't do something drastic. To his credit, he seems to understand that this will make or break his tenure with the rumors that the Kings are going big.

So you'd rather Monte be the first kid it sounds like? "Do something for the sake of doing something" is what my takeaway is.

Trading Delon Wright for Thompson is doing something for the sake of doing something.

Trading Fox for Simmons is making a bet, burning the bridges, and moving forward.

[rpa]

Trading Delon Wright for Thompson is doing something for the sake of doing something.

There was a point in that trade. Much like in drafting Mitchell, we may disagree with it, but there was a point. Namely: you had a crowded backcourt and not much in the frontcourt.

Trading Fox for Simmons is making a bet, burning the bridges, and moving forward.

The problem is that we don't even know if that trade is on the table. We don't know if it's Fox for Simmons straight up or Fox + X. Is the X an unprotected #1? Two? Maybe Morey's being crazy and asking for Haliburton as the X. We just don't know and in the absence of that knowledge I'll continue to believe McNair is turning down bad offers.

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[BoogieTime]

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As I've said the entire time, the summer was the chance for that trade which I endorsed. That prospect crumbled with Fox's season

If Simmons is wearing Kings purple, it will be because the Kings are able to turn non Fox/Hali vet/draft capital to a third team who has win now players for Philadelphia and wants to rebuild. That could be Beal/Lillard/or even the Indiana players now. The Kings could take Harris and give Philly Barnes, but it will still require the Kings to enlist a third team to give Philly something more win now

Fox could be involved to a third team, but given that third team should rather have Simmons it will take something significant with Fox IMO

And then its the fit issue with Fox/Simmons, or moving Fox for IMO low value. Not seeing Simmons here, really

[BoogieTime]

Also, what is even the point of coming out to the media and stating you are chasing a potential target

Aside from putting all leverage in the opposing teams court, what is the intention? Is it Monte trying to make it look like he's doing something regardless or Vivek meddling continually?

[kb02]

Think Fox will be moved by the deadline. https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article257471838.html?src=rss