Game 50 Thread - Kings (18-31) @ Hawks (21-25)

[LightTheBeam]

Yet I knew what you were saying before read it.

There is a player making max who is putting up negative advanced stats, shooting 25% from three, playing bad defense, not taking leadership in the locker room and annoying the fanbase. Its Walton! Gentry! The supporting cast! The posters on RealGM!

I'm not shocked you don't see the irony.

The facts are on my side.

There is a player beginning a max contract putting up negative advanced stats, being one of the worst shooting guards in the league, playing bad defense, and giving IDGAF vibes in the locker room and to a lot of viewers watching

I should hate his play.

If I were biased against him I wouldve "hated" him before the season (to a grater extent, I always wasnt a fan per say)

IMO you have some type of issue in holding him accountable, and I can only guess why.

No issues holding him accountable. Am I disappointed he hasn't taken a leap this season? Absolutely. Am I delirious enough to continue to harp on his down play, no. He isn't the only issue, the entire team is trash, the GM is trash, the coaching staff is trash, the owner is the worst in the league.

I've been watching the Kings long enough to know how this goes. Every year we struggle, and eventually after a few years a new scape goat must be presented. The Kings have been trash for a lot longer than Fox has been around, and they will continue to be trash when he is gone.

Now a new savior has been appointed, Tyrese Haliburton. And in 2-3 years when Fox is long gone, the Kings are no closer to winning, he will then take over as the scape goat. Rinse and repeat.

Fans need something to be optimistic about. They also need something to be mad at. I get it man, I truly do. We all want the same goal, some of us are just further ahead in this timeline that others.

[BoogieTime]

I'm not shocked you don't see the irony.

The facts are on my side.

There is a player beginning a max contract putting up negative advanced stats, being one of the worst shooting guards in the league, playing bad defense, and giving IDGAF vibes in the locker room and to a lot of viewers watching

I should hate his play.

If I were biased against him I wouldve "hated" him before the season (to a grater extent, I always wasnt a fan per say)

IMO you have some type of issue in holding him accountable, and I can only guess why.

No issues holding him accountable. Am I disappointed he hasn't taken a leap this season? Absolutely. Am I delirious enough to continue to harp on his down play, no. He isn't the only issue, the entire team is trash, the GM is trash, the coaching staff is trash, the owner is the worst in the league.

I've been watching the Kings long enough to know how this goes. Every year we struggle, and eventually after a few years a new scape goat must be presented. The Kings have been trash for a lot longer than Fox has been around, and they will continue to be trash when he is gone.

Now a new savior has been appointed, Tyrese Haliburton. And in 2-3 years when Fox is long gone, the Kings are no closer to winning, he will then take over as the scape goat. Rinse and repeat.

Fans need something to be optimistic about. They also need something to be mad at. I get it man, I truly do. We all want the same goal, some of us are just further ahead in this timeline that others.

There doesn’t need to be any “scapegoat” or any need to bring up the GM/roster. That’s looking for outside influence

Nor is anyone just disappointed that he hasn’t taken a leap, if he stayed the same as last year all would be cool

There is a guard on the team just starting a max contract putting up advanced stats, being one of the worst shooting and defensive guards, and giving off IDGAF vibes on the team

The last paragraph should be acknowledged by you without needing to look elsewhere

If Hali 2/3 years from now is just starting a max, putting up negative advanced stats yada yada than he won’t be a “scapegoat” but an issue

[LightTheBeam]

The facts are on my side.

There is a player beginning a max contract putting up negative advanced stats, being one of the worst shooting guards in the league, playing bad defense, and giving IDGAF vibes in the locker room and to a lot of viewers watching

I should hate his play.

If I were biased against him I wouldve "hated" him before the season (to a grater extent, I always wasnt a fan per say)

IMO you have some type of issue in holding him accountable, and I can only guess why.

No issues holding him accountable. Am I disappointed he hasn't taken a leap this season? Absolutely. Am I delirious enough to continue to harp on his down play, no. He isn't the only issue, the entire team is trash, the GM is trash, the coaching staff is trash, the owner is the worst in the league.

I've been watching the Kings long enough to know how this goes. Every year we struggle, and eventually after a few years a new scape goat must be presented. The Kings have been trash for a lot longer than Fox has been around, and they will continue to be trash when he is gone.

Now a new savior has been appointed, Tyrese Haliburton. And in 2-3 years when Fox is long gone, the Kings are no closer to winning, he will then take over as the scape goat. Rinse and repeat.

Fans need something to be optimistic about. They also need something to be mad at. I get it man, I truly do. We all want the same goal, some of us are just further ahead in this timeline that others.

There doesn’t need to be any “scapegoat” or any need to bring up the GM/roster. That’s looking for outside influence

Nor is anyone just disappointed that he hasn’t taken a leap, if he stayed the same as last year all would be cool

There is a guard on the team just starting a max contract putting up advanced stats, being one of the worst shooting and defensive guards, and giving off IDGAF vibes on the team

The last paragraph should be acknowledged by you without needing to look elsewhere

If Hali 2/3 years from now is just starting a max, putting up negative advanced stats yada yada than he won’t be a “scapegoat” but an issue

It's not having outside influence. Its delusional to ignore the rest of that stuff. This is a team/organization game. It is not the sum of 1 part, it is the sum of all parts.

Its like having a car with a bad engine, transmission, alternator, and a busted radiator and then blaming the busted window on the reason it won't run.

Which player cares? You talk about Fox giving off a bad attitude, the team just got blown out in back to back awful performances where not a single guy gave effort. Hint: Fox wasn't on the court. The last 2 games I've seen every single one of our guys smiling and dapping it up with the opponents.I honestly can't blame any of them. If I was forced to work for an org like the Kings, I would care just as much as my superiors.

[BoogieTime]

No issues holding him accountable. Am I disappointed he hasn't taken a leap this season? Absolutely. Am I delirious enough to continue to harp on his down play, no. He isn't the only issue, the entire team is trash, the GM is trash, the coaching staff is trash, the owner is the worst in the league.

I've been watching the Kings long enough to know how this goes. Every year we struggle, and eventually after a few years a new scape goat must be presented. The Kings have been trash for a lot longer than Fox has been around, and they will continue to be trash when he is gone.

Now a new savior has been appointed, Tyrese Haliburton. And in 2-3 years when Fox is long gone, the Kings are no closer to winning, he will then take over as the scape goat. Rinse and repeat.

Fans need something to be optimistic about. They also need something to be mad at. I get it man, I truly do. We all want the same goal, some of us are just further ahead in this timeline that others.

There doesn’t need to be any “scapegoat” or any need to bring up the GM/roster. That’s looking for outside influence

Nor is anyone just disappointed that he hasn’t taken a leap, if he stayed the same as last year all would be cool

There is a guard on the team just starting a max contract putting up advanced stats, being one of the worst shooting and defensive guards, and giving off IDGAF vibes on the team

The last paragraph should be acknowledged by you without needing to look elsewhere

If Hali 2/3 years from now is just starting a max, putting up negative advanced stats yada yada than he won’t be a “scapegoat” but an issue

It's not having outside influence. Its delusional to ignore the rest of that stuff. This is a team/organization game. It is not the sum of 1 part, it is the sum of all parts.

Its like having a car with a bad engine, transmission, alternator, and a busted radiator and then blaming the busted window on the reason it won't run.

Which player cares? You talk about Fox giving off a bad attitude, the team just got blown out in back to back awful performances where not a single guy gave effort. Hint: Fox wasn't on the court. The last 2 games I've seen every single one of our guys smiling and dapping it up with the opponents.I honestly can't blame any of them. If I was forced to work for an org like the Kings, I would care just as much as my superiors.

With your first two paragraphs reminds me of the pointless endeavor to discuss with you

There will never not be things on the ulterior for you to try to blame for his performance

And no, a true franchise piece would not have bad advanced stats, shoot horribly from outside and play bad defense and give off bad vibes because of what’s around him

[LightTheBeam]

There doesn’t need to be any “scapegoat” or any need to bring up the GM/roster. That’s looking for outside influence

Nor is anyone just disappointed that he hasn’t taken a leap, if he stayed the same as last year all would be cool

There is a guard on the team just starting a max contract putting up advanced stats, being one of the worst shooting and defensive guards, and giving off IDGAF vibes on the team

The last paragraph should be acknowledged by you without needing to look elsewhere

If Hali 2/3 years from now is just starting a max, putting up negative advanced stats yada yada than he won’t be a “scapegoat” but an issue

It's not having outside influence. Its delusional to ignore the rest of that stuff. This is a team/organization game. It is not the sum of 1 part, it is the sum of all parts.

Its like having a car with a bad engine, transmission, alternator, and a busted radiator and then blaming the busted window on the reason it won't run.

Which player cares? You talk about Fox giving off a bad attitude, the team just got blown out in back to back awful performances where not a single guy gave effort. Hint: Fox wasn't on the court. The last 2 games I've seen every single one of our guys smiling and dapping it up with the opponents.I honestly can't blame any of them. If I was forced to work for an org like the Kings, I would care just as much as my superiors.

With your first two paragraphs reminds me of the pointless endeavor to discuss with you

There will never not be things on the ulterior for you to try to blame for his performance

And no, a true franchise piece would not have bad advanced stats, shoot horribly from outside and play bad defense and give off bad vibes because of what’s around him

Yes mechanic, I know that this car is totaled, I don't want to hear any of that. LALALALALALALA (plugging ears). GET ME A NEW WINDOW DAMNIT!

Yes it's totally a pointless conversation when you keep repeating the same thing and refuse to acknowledge the real problem. You even brushed off the fact the entire team is giving "idgaf vibes" to again focus on Fox. It's truly incredible. I hope you stick around long enough, I look forward to reading your posts about Haliburton in 2 years

[BoogieTime]

It's not having outside influence. Its delusional to ignore the rest of that stuff. This is a team/organization game. It is not the sum of 1 part, it is the sum of all parts.

Its like having a car with a bad engine, transmission, alternator, and a busted radiator and then blaming the busted window on the reason it won't run.

Which player cares? You talk about Fox giving off a bad attitude, the team just got blown out in back to back awful performances where not a single guy gave effort. Hint: Fox wasn't on the court. The last 2 games I've seen every single one of our guys smiling and dapping it up with the opponents.I honestly can't blame any of them. If I was forced to work for an org like the Kings, I would care just as much as my superiors.

With your first two paragraphs reminds me of the pointless endeavor to discuss with you

There will never not be things on the ulterior for you to try to blame for his performance

And no, a true franchise piece would not have bad advanced stats, shoot horribly from outside and play bad defense and give off bad vibes because of what’s around him

Yes mechanic, I know that this car is totaled, I don't want to hear any of that. LALALALALALALA (plugging ears). GET ME A NEW WINDOW DAMNIT!

Yes it's totally a pointless conversation when you keep repeating the same thing and refuse to acknowledge the real problem. You even brushed off the fact the entire team is giving "idgaf vibes" to again focus on Fox. It's truly incredible. I hope you stick around long enough, I look forward to reading your posts about Haliburton in 2 years

If he is making max and putting up bad advanced stats and shooting like a joke from range and playing bad defense, I'll "hate" on him as much as I do Fox

I don't have some psychological issue to try do my best to shield responsibility for a player I like. I dont like any players but those who do well on the Kings actually, that's why I currently like Hali and hate Fox

I like the Kings, any player not pulling their weight, and they will be on my sh*tlist, believe.

[LightTheBeam]

With your first two paragraphs reminds me of the pointless endeavor to discuss with you

There will never not be things on the ulterior for you to try to blame for his performance

And no, a true franchise piece would not have bad advanced stats, shoot horribly from outside and play bad defense and give off bad vibes because of what’s around him

Yes mechanic, I know that this car is totaled, I don't want to hear any of that. LALALALALALALA (plugging ears). GET ME A NEW WINDOW DAMNIT!

Yes it's totally a pointless conversation when you keep repeating the same thing and refuse to acknowledge the real problem. You even brushed off the fact the entire team is giving "idgaf vibes" to again focus on Fox. It's truly incredible. I hope you stick around long enough, I look forward to reading your posts about Haliburton in 2 years

If he is making max and putting up bad advanced stats and shooting like a joke from range and playing bad defense, I'll "hate" on him as much as I do Fox

I don't have some psychological issue to try do my best to shield responsibility for a player I like. I dont like any players but those who do well on the Kings actually, that's why I currently like Hali and hate Fox

I like the Kings, any player not pulling their weight, and they will be on my sh*tlist, believe.

At this point I have to just accept that you refuse to actually acknowledge what is being said to you.

You continue to repeat the same thing over and over as if saying it for the 30th time refutes anything I've said.

Somehow me acknowledging that not a single member of this organization should go without criticism (fox included) and that the issue is far bigger than just Fox, equates to me shielding him from criticism.

Keep living in a world where trading fox will suddenly change the outlook of this team. I was once in your shoes, sadly after 15 years I've accepted the sad reality that is the Sacramento kings.

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[BoogieTime]

Yes mechanic, I know that this car is totaled, I don't want to hear any of that. LALALALALALALA (plugging ears). GET ME A NEW WINDOW DAMNIT!

Yes it's totally a pointless conversation when you keep repeating the same thing and refuse to acknowledge the real problem. You even brushed off the fact the entire team is giving "idgaf vibes" to again focus on Fox. It's truly incredible. I hope you stick around long enough, I look forward to reading your posts about Haliburton in 2 years

If he is making max and putting up bad advanced stats and shooting like a joke from range and playing bad defense, I'll "hate" on him as much as I do Fox

I don't have some psychological issue to try do my best to shield responsibility for a player I like. I dont like any players but those who do well on the Kings actually, that's why I currently like Hali and hate Fox

I like the Kings, any player not pulling their weight, and they will be on my sh*tlist, believe.

At this point I have to just accept that you refuse to actually acknowledge what is being said to you.

You continue to repeat the same thing over and over as if saying it for the 30th time refutes anything I've said.

Somehow me acknowledging that not a single member of this organization should go without criticism (fox included) and that the issue is far bigger than just Fox, equates to me shielding him from criticism.

Keep living in a world where trading fox will suddenly change the outlook of this team. I was once in your shoes, sadly after 15 years I've accepted the sad reality that is the Sacramento kings.

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Your argument is subjective and nebulous.

The roster has talent on paper. Holmes/Barnes/Hield/Mitchell/Hali etc should be more competitive than they are. One could argue that if Fox were any type of player he would be helping change the environment, not being "sunk" by it.

If the organization is causing Fox to have negative advanced stats, and shoot like a joke from range and not play defense why is that not affecting Hali or other members of the team to do that as well?

If you think if you put Trae/Morant/Garland or even players a step down on the Kings and they would be putting up negative advanced stats, shooting horribly from range and playing bad defense, than yes, there is a perceptional divide. While outside circumstances may be a factor, they shouldn't be the overriding factors IMO. Thats a cream rises to the top thing IMO

[BoogieTime]

Yes mechanic, I know that this car is totaled, I don't want to hear any of that. LALALALALALALA (plugging ears). GET ME A NEW WINDOW DAMNIT!

Yes it's totally a pointless conversation when you keep repeating the same thing and refuse to acknowledge the real problem. You even brushed off the fact the entire team is giving "idgaf vibes" to again focus on Fox. It's truly incredible. I hope you stick around long enough, I look forward to reading your posts about Haliburton in 2 years

If he is making max and putting up bad advanced stats and shooting like a joke from range and playing bad defense, I'll "hate" on him as much as I do Fox

I don't have some psychological issue to try do my best to shield responsibility for a player I like. I dont like any players but those who do well on the Kings actually, that's why I currently like Hali and hate Fox

I like the Kings, any player not pulling their weight, and they will be on my sh*tlist, believe.

At this point I have to just accept that you refuse to actually acknowledge what is being said to you.

You continue to repeat the same thing over and over as if saying it for the 30th time refutes anything I've said.

Somehow me acknowledging that not a single member of this organization should go without criticism (fox included) and that the issue is far bigger than just Fox, equates to me shielding him from criticism.

Keep living in a world where trading fox will suddenly change the outlook of this team. I was once in your shoes, sadly after 15 years I've accepted the sad reality that is the Sacramento kings.

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Also, we can invite a General Board discussion on whether or not Fox putting up bad advanced stats/bad range/bad defense is more emblematic of him or the franchise.

It could be interesting to see if the majority of others would say that an organization could typically have that sway over a career

[LightTheBeam]

If he is making max and putting up bad advanced stats and shooting like a joke from range and playing bad defense, I'll "hate" on him as much as I do Fox

I don't have some psychological issue to try do my best to shield responsibility for a player I like. I dont like any players but those who do well on the Kings actually, that's why I currently like Hali and hate Fox

I like the Kings, any player not pulling their weight, and they will be on my sh*tlist, believe.

At this point I have to just accept that you refuse to actually acknowledge what is being said to you.

You continue to repeat the same thing over and over as if saying it for the 30th time refutes anything I've said.

Somehow me acknowledging that not a single member of this organization should go without criticism (fox included) and that the issue is far bigger than just Fox, equates to me shielding him from criticism.

Keep living in a world where trading fox will suddenly change the outlook of this team. I was once in your shoes, sadly after 15 years I've accepted the sad reality that is the Sacramento kings.

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Also, we can invite a General Board discussion on whether or not Fox putting up bad advanced stats/bad range/bad defense is more emblematic of him or the franchise.

It could be interesting to see if the majority of others would say that an organization could typically have that sway over a career

Once again. You haven't properly acknowledged my convo. Lmao. We keep going around in circles. But you are straw manning. Probably unintentionally, but sure.

I haven't once blamed the organization on fox's bad play. I've said that it's silly to act like Fox is the only issue facing this team or that his bad play is the reason for this dumpster fire.

Again maybe you are unintentionally misrepresenting me. But this convo is going anywhere, and yet again you've repeated ur same talking pts 2 more times lol.

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[BoogieTime]

At this point I have to just accept that you refuse to actually acknowledge what is being said to you.

You continue to repeat the same thing over and over as if saying it for the 30th time refutes anything I've said.

Somehow me acknowledging that not a single member of this organization should go without criticism (fox included) and that the issue is far bigger than just Fox, equates to me shielding him from criticism.

Keep living in a world where trading fox will suddenly change the outlook of this team. I was once in your shoes, sadly after 15 years I've accepted the sad reality that is the Sacramento kings.

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Also, we can invite a General Board discussion on whether or not Fox putting up bad advanced stats/bad range/bad defense is more emblematic of him or the franchise.

It could be interesting to see if the majority of others would say that an organization could typically have that sway over a career

Once again. You haven't properly acknowledged my convo. Lmao. We keep going around in circles. But you are straw manning. Probably unintentionally, but sure.

I haven't once blamed the organization on fox's bad play. I've said that it's silly to act like Fox is the only issue facing this team or that his bad play is the reason for this dumpster fire.

Again maybe you are unintentionally misrepresenting me. But this convo is going anywhere, and yet again you've repeated ur same talking pts 2 more times lol.

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The fact that Fox is a point of contention among fans means he's doing something wrong. There should be positive synergy and not negative going on with his career.

[LightTheBeam]

Let me recap.

Me: Fox and the entire organization has been bad. It's not any single persons problem

Response : negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes

Me: yes I agree, however it's not just 1 player. It's the entire organization. It's rotten and the whole thing needs to be fixed.

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes.

Me: you already said that. Swapping out 1 piece doesn't fix the core issue. He may not be the solution, but he isn't the only problem

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes.

Me: okay we are going in circles, are you going to even pay attention to what I'm saying here?

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad attitude.

It's pleading with insanity at this point. Lol



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[BoogieTime]

Let me recap.

Me: Fox and the entire organization has been bad. It's not any single persons problem

Response : negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes

Me: yes I agree, however it's not just 1 player. It's the entire organization. It's rotten and the whole thing needs to be fixed.

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes.

Me: you already said that. Swapping out 1 piece doesn't fix the core issue. He may not be the solution, but he isn't the only problem

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes.

Me: okay we are going in circles, are you going to even pay attention to what I'm saying here?

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad attitude.

It's pleading with insanity at this point. Lol



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Well at least your admitting now Fox has been bad, irrespective of outside influence I think. We're making progress.

The entire organization has been bad, and Fox, being the max guy and the guy who by talent is supposed to show leadership, has played a contributory role.

Yes I did say that there is a downtrodden stench that is around the organization that goes well beyond Fox now, but aside from that if you were to poll the Kings fanbase and reporters about Fox's IDGAF meter it would be fairly high

Hali has had a good year, as most advanced metrics show. Some show him to be ahead of the pack or near it for 2nd year players. I'm not sure why in this thread someone would bash those who are doing well by metrics in favor of someone who isnt.

[LightTheBeam]

Let me recap.

Me: Fox and the entire organization has been bad. It's not any single persons problem

Response : negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes

Me: yes I agree, however it's not just 1 player. It's the entire organization. It's rotten and the whole thing needs to be fixed.

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes.

Me: you already said that. Swapping out 1 piece doesn't fix the core issue. He may not be the solution, but he isn't the only problem

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad vibes.

Me: okay we are going in circles, are you going to even pay attention to what I'm saying here?

Response: negative advanced stats, max contract, can't shoot, bad defense, bad attitude.

It's pleading with insanity at this point. Lol



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Well at least your admitting now Fox has been bad, irrespective of outside influence I think. We're making progress.

The entire organization has been bad, and Fox, being the max guy and the guy who by talent is supposed to show leadership, has played a contributory role.

Yes I did say that there is a downtrodden stench that is around the organization that goes well beyond Fox now, but aside from that if you were to poll the Kings fanbase and reporters about Fox's IDGAF meter it would be fairly high

Hali has had a good year, as most advanced metrics show. Some show him to be ahead of the pack or near it for 2nd year players. I'm not sure why in this thread someone would bash those who are doing well by metrics in favor of someone who isnt.

Can you show me where I said fox is better than hali in this thread?

I said "the offense is hard to watch without fox" it's been brutal the last two games. What about that is wrong?

I said hali hasnt developed a game when his shot isn't falling and defenses are sniffing out the pick and roll.

None of this is controversial. I'm not going to sugar coat about haliburton. I like him, I've spent 100s of dollars collecting his cards because I think he's going to be good. But I'm not propping him up and avoided faults because he's the newest thing with shine. I'm not going to pretend he's been giving effort when he's supposed to lead this team the last 2 games and nothing changed, in fact probably the 2 worst games of the season. Not just in terms of score, in terms of effort, defense, and accountability.

Again nothing I said was controversial. I believe fox and hali can be a winning duo.

Meanwhile even when fox doesn't play you never miss a chance to blame/**** on him. It's tiresome. Please, go reread the thread. It's silly at this pt

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