We should trade Cousins ASAP

[Kings2013]

Ok,one last time I will write the problem and I will keep this short.Lebron carried a garbage team with a garbage coach to success in his first years.Kobe carried a really garbage team to playoffs.Durant carried a garbage coach to success.Shaq carried a good team to glory.Cousins cannot carry a bad coach to 30 wins.Cousins cannot carry a team with good players and coach like Karl to 30 wins.If he was a superstar or a really dominant player he had to make us win at least 35-40.Do you see the difference?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2007.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2006.html
Do you think our team and coach is worse than this?

Nobody cares about your "last times". Respect others opinions

Cousins has been a 'superstar' for two years previous. It's not his job to carry a bunch of lackluster players to the playoffs, it's managements job to provide him help.

Cousins didn't have 5-6 coaches. The Kings terrible franchise did. When Cousins had a coach he respected who utilized him properly (Malone) he was fine. The Kings have a coach now that Cousins may not like personally, due to off the court comments last summer, who is utilizing him curiously - pace and spots on the floor. He may just not be putting forth the effort because he feels his game isn't being respected

[Prethia]

Ok I am done.I hope we keep Cousins and become **** until Cousins retires and then you will maybe understand the point.The point is not if I am right or you are right.This is NBA.It is not the coach who should respect a player.It is the player who should earn the respect of the coach.And no matter how **** your team is if he was a superstar or first tier player we would not have less than 30 wins.Lebron and Kobe had MUCH WORSE teams than Kings and look what they did.They are superstars.That Lakers team didnt have the %1 talent of Kings.The player does not have the right to act stupid or get ejected from game if he doesnt like the coach.Your so called star player doesnt have the right to show 0 effort in the court just because he does not like the coach.He is paid that much for a reason. If Cousins is a superstar what is Curry,Lebron,Younger Kobe,Durant etc?You are still assuming that Kings had the worst coaches and teammates in entire 6 seasons while Lebron and 2006-7 Kobe had wonderful teammates.No it is not.Even if it was,this does not give Cousins the right to do stupid things in the court.

I have no problem with you guys wanting Cousins to stay.That is completely your opinion and I respect that.Sorry if I sounded like that.What I dont respect is you guys saying that he is a superstar.No he is not.Superstars carry much worse teams to much better spots.Superstars do not cry and put 0 effort every time when something they dislike happens.

[City of Trees]

I've never referred to Cousins as a Superstar.

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[SacKingZZZ]

Ok,one last time I will write the problem and I will keep this short.Lebron carried a garbage team with a garbage coach to success in his first years.Kobe carried a really garbage team to playoffs.Durant carried a garbage coach to success.Shaq carried a good team to glory.Cousins cannot carry a bad coach to 30 wins.Cousins cannot carry a team with good players and coach like Karl to 30 wins.If he was a superstar or a really dominant player he had to make us win at least 35-40.Do you see the difference?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2007.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2006.html
Do you think our team and coach is worse than this?

Nobody cares about your "last times". Respect others opinions

Cousins has been a 'superstar' for two years previous. It's not his job to carry a bunch of lackluster players to the playoffs, it's managements job to provide him help.

Cousins didn't have 5-6 coaches. The Kings terrible franchise did. When Cousins had a coach he respected who utilized him properly (Malone) he was fine. The Kings have a coach now that Cousins may not like personally, due to off the court comments last summer, who is utilizing him curiously - pace and spots on the floor. He may just not be putting forth the effort because he feels his game isn't being respected

Exactly. And let us know when Kobe, James, etc. had to fight their own coach to carry their teams to the playoffs. Did they try and turn Lebron into a shooter/gunner instead of a playmaker? Did they tell Kobe to play in an up tempo system as a cog and not the "man", wait, D'antoni did that right? How'd that turn out?

I saw a coach using Cuz that way last year and early, before he got sick, he looked to be carrying the team to that very place. Interesting how things change with change. Not to mention how they look when you take situation out of the picture. The picture is way too fuzzy and inaccurate when you do that though. You can't simplify a complex situation and expect actual perspective that truly means anything.

[dozencousins]

Ok I am done.I hope we keep Cousins and become **** until Cousins retires and then you will maybe understand the point.The point is not if I am right or you are right.This is NBA.It is not the coach who should respect a player.It is the player who should earn the respect of the coach.And no matter how **** your team is if he was a superstar or first tier player we would not have less than 30 wins.Lebron and Kobe had MUCH WORSE teams than Kings and look what they did.They are superstars.That Lakers team didnt have the %1 talent of Kings.The player does not have the right to act stupid or get ejected from game if he doesnt like the coach.Your so called star player doesnt have the right to show 0 effort in the court just because he does not like the coach.He is paid that much for a reason. If Cousins is a superstar what is Curry,Lebron,Younger Kobe,Durant etc?You are still assuming that Kings had the worst coaches and teammates in entire 6 seasons while Lebron and 2006-7 Kobe had wonderful teammates.No it is not.Even if it was,this does not give Cousins the right to do stupid things in the court.

I have no problem with you guys wanting Cousins to stay.That is completely your opinion and I respect that.Sorry if I sounded like that.What I dont respect is you guys saying that he is a superstar.No he is not.Superstars carry much worse teams to much better spots.Superstars do not cry and put 0 effort every time when something they dislike happens.

Well I am not saying this to be mean or anything but you said you don't respect anyone whom believes Cousins is a superstar that's fine.
Then I see no need for you to respect me if you wish because to me he is every bit of a Superstar .

Yes he has to grow up more & he wears his heart on his sleeve . Many people mistake when he gets upset as him having an attitude but it's passion . I want to see my Kings players show they care & have anger over losses etc. it shows they care & want better for them & their team . That makes me proud . Cousins is a Winner . Not his fault he was drafted with having terrible owners not caring & then had another owner come in to make a great coaching hire only to have himself get influenced by all the wrong people to fire that right right Coach & then throw Corbin into a no win situation & hire Karl by a GM who was conspiring with Karl all along to give Karl the job & overpay him only for that GM to leave the Kings when we were going to fire his @ss .

In closing again know the facts in what you speak of before you proclaim Cousins as being the main problem . Is he a problem at times Yes . Does he have room to grow of course . That said he is not nearly the Kings main problem .

[jason bourne]

Really don't think it's fair to blame Cousins for losing. He's the Kings best player. Without him, Sac would be worse. I agree with that. Part of the problem the Kings have been having is there is no continuity. You went through a GM and coach in a very short amount of time and turned over even more players. I don't think more drastic change is the answer. The Kings have maintained they were going to build around DMC and stick with this until 2017-18.

Sure, Cousins hasn't helped his cause with some of the comments he has made. His latest being the technical Karl got last game. He could cause a rift that can't be repaired but it's not to that point. I don't think Karl is making waves in the media like Cousins. Karl said the locker room atmosphere is better and there are team leaders now.

Some good from last season was getting rid of Derrick Williams and keeping Omri Casspi. The trade to get cap space was costly, but Nik Stauskas wasn't helping much. Landry and JT were costly backups. I think it got back Rajon Rondo, Marco Bellinelli and Kosta Koufos. Those are the guys to evaluate imho.

I'm going to assume the Kings want to keep Rondo (despite his bad remarks against gays), Collison, Ben, Casspi, Bellinelli and their previous draft picks. Also, they want to keep Coach George Karl and GM Vlade Divac. If you're going to get rid of a big name, I would think it's Rudy Gay. That is the rumors. Also, I'm not sure what's in Vivek Ranadive's brain. The loss to the Sixers was very embarrassing, but the Kings bounced back. Probably, it's best that he lets the people he hired run the show since it's only been a short time.

[jason bourne]

I assume Rudy can be traded because of WCS and Omri Casspi.

Was thinking about who can the Kings get for DMC, but they don't have someone who can replace him so the Kings would have to get a C back in exchange. How about DMC for Joakim Noah? Noah's is a great passing C and defender. He can play the high post. Then you can keep Rudy and have WCS as backup to Noah.

Or if you want Dwight, HOU would probably be willing to deal, but I rather keep DMC.

They have Terrence Jones and Ty Lawson available, so that's another deal. This could be a deal for Rudy as HOU is rumored to trade Terrence Jones and Corey Brewer for Markieff Morris and Archie Goodwin.

Greg Monroe? That trade would be ironic since they went in the same draft.

If you're going to deal, then it's probably better to target somebody. Under the circumstances you're not going to get equal value back so it won't be a deal people will be pleased with. You have to be lucky.

[SacKingZZZ]

Cuz is a superstar talent. Even in his "bad" year he's putting up 24 and 10 and his shooting numbers aren't that bad when you factor in the amount of free throws he takes and makes.

Rudy is a tough call, his value is low and I know he's close to Rondo so I don't know how that would sit. The funny thing about Rondo coming here is that is probably the biggest hurdle for Gay this year. He basically helped bring in someone that took the ball out of his hands and made him very one dimensional this year. He's setting screens more than he is making plays and he totally not comfortable in that role.

[rpa]

I assume Rudy can be traded because of WCS and Omri Casspi.

Was thinking about who can the Kings get for DMC, but they don't have someone who can replace him so the Kings would have to get a C back in exchange. How about DMC for Joakim Noah? Noah's is a great passing C and defender. He can play the high post. Then you can keep Rudy and have WCS as backup to Noah.

Or if you want Dwight, HOU would probably be willing to deal, but I rather keep DMC.

They have Terrence Jones and Ty Lawson available, so that's another deal. This could be a deal for Rudy as HOU is rumored to trade Terrence Jones and Corey Brewer for Markieff Morris and Archie Goodwin.

Greg Monroe? That trade would be ironic since they went in the same draft.

If you're going to deal, then it's probably better to target somebody. Under the circumstances you're not going to get equal value back so it won't be a deal people will be pleased with. You have to be lucky.

[rpa]

The real problem here is the Kings have a bunch of forks in the road and both lead to bad places:

You can't trade Cousins for rebuilding pieces because Philly owns swap rights the next 2 years and then an unprotected pick in 2019 (not to mention this team has drafted horribly). You can't trade him for win now pieces because, in a superstar league, those win now pieces put you in a worse position longterm (i.e. topping out at a low seeded playoff team)

Rudy Gay is probably one of the big problems right now (doesn't shoot 3s, doesn't play good defense), but if you trade him you're essentially giving up Rondo as well.

You made the Philly trade last summer to create a better top to bottom roster, but in doing so you gave away almost all of your useless salary (along with almost all of your valuable pieces). Now if you make a trade you have to give up a useful vet in order to match salaries.


Not really sure where you go from here. Trading Gay for better fits would seem to be the ideal scenario (well, the ideal scenario would be trading McLemore for a better veteran wing, but McLemore is trash) and hoping that Rondo still ends up here when few teams out there need a PG and are willing to max him.

[KF10]

I'm on and off about Cousins almost every week since this season has started. But for the most part, he isn't the only problem with the team. There are glaring holes at the SG and PF spot. Where is the production from those positions? Hopefully, we can start seeing more of WCS next to Cousins.

[baldur]

if you could have drafted normal, mediocre or above average guys instead of jimmer fredette, nik stauskas and ben mclemore, this thread would probably have not been opened by now.

[City of Trees]

if you could have drafted normal, mediocre or above average guys instead of jimmer fredette, nik stauskas and ben mclemore, this would thread probably have not been opened by now.

You mean Damian Lillard and K. Leonard? Yeah .....

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[Kings2013]

if you could have drafted normal, mediocre or above average guys instead of jimmer fredette, nik stauskas and ben mclemore, this thread would probably have not been opened by now.

If the Lakers would've drafted Porzingis instead of Russell, drafted better than Randle and possibly given up their pick for a broken down Nash they wouldn't be where they are

[baldur]

if you could have drafted normal, mediocre or above average guys instead of jimmer fredette, nik stauskas and ben mclemore, this thread would probably have not been opened by now.

If the Lakers would've drafted Porzingis instead of Russell, drafted better than Randle and possibly given up their pick for a broken down Nash they wouldn't be where they are

apart from us being happy with both russell and randle, you cant seriously compare them with stauskas, thomas robinson or ben mclemore. for steve nash pick, it was a shot but we couldt catch harmony, steve nash was nearly done with injuries and howard couldnt get along with kobe.

[RaptorReloaded]

Cousins for Valanciunas, Louis Scola, Delon Wright, Norman Powell and NYK's 1st overall draft pick.

[City of Trees]

Cousins for Valanciunas, Louis Scola, Delon Wright, Norman Powell and NYK's 1st overall draft pick.

Val is soft like Charmin. No thanks.

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[RaptorReloaded]

Cousins for Valanciunas, Louis Scola, Delon Wright, Norman Powell and NYK's 1st overall draft pick.

Val is soft like Charmin. No thanks.

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He's 23 averaging 12ps, 8.9 rebounds on 55.5fg% and is the starting C and anchor for a top ten defence in the league that's been to the playoffs twice.. Not to mention you get NY's 1st. I don't get where the notion of soft comes from unless you count the time where Cousins ran up on him from behind with his fist cocked so he ducked during FIBA, he's white or he plays for a Canadian franchise that American media had no interest in covering. Whatever keep Cousins or be the next team to be fleeced by Boston's over hyped spare parts. Writing this and reading your board has changed my mind. Not worth the gamble. I'd rather have Val and NY's first than risk becoming Sac Town East. Good luck. I am a fan of your franchise.

[City of Trees]

Cousins for Valanciunas, Louis Scola, Delon Wright, Norman Powell and NYK's 1st overall draft pick.

Val is soft like Charmin. No thanks.

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He's 23 averaging 12ps, 8.9 rebounds on 55.5fg% and is the starting C and anchor for a top ten defence in the league that's been to the playoffs twice.. Not to mention you get NY's 1st. I don't get where the notion of soft comes from unless you count the time where Cousins ran up on him from behind with his fist cocked so he ducked during FIBA, he's white or he plays for a Canadian franchise that American media had no interest in covering. Whatever keep Cousins or be the next team to be fleeced by Boston's over hyped spare parts. Writing this and reading your board has changed my mind. Not worth the gamble. I'd rather have Val and NY's first than risk becoming Sac Town East. Good luck. I am a fan of your franchise.

Val is not a tough guy. He's soft. Not as physical as he should/could be. Has nothing to do with what race he is or what team he plays for. NY's 1st doesn't do nearly enough to make up for the difference between Cousins and Val.

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[Sacramento_King]

Ok I am done.I hope we keep Cousins and become **** until Cousins retires and then you will maybe understand the point.The point is not if I am right or you are right.This is NBA.It is not the coach who should respect a player.It is the player who should earn the respect of the coach.And no matter how **** your team is if he was a superstar or first tier player we would not have less than 30 wins.Lebron and Kobe had MUCH WORSE teams than Kings and look what they did.They are superstars.That Lakers team didnt have the %1 talent of Kings.The player does not have the right to act stupid or get ejected from game if he doesnt like the coach.Your so called star player doesnt have the right to show 0 effort in the court just because he does not like the coach.He is paid that much for a reason. If Cousins is a superstar what is Curry,Lebron,Younger Kobe,Durant etc?You are still assuming that Kings had the worst coaches and teammates in entire 6 seasons while Lebron and 2006-7 Kobe had wonderful teammates.No it is not.Even if it was,this does not give Cousins the right to do stupid things in the court.

I have no problem with you guys wanting Cousins to stay.That is completely your opinion and I respect that.Sorry if I sounded like that.What I dont respect is you guys saying that he is a superstar.No he is not.Superstars carry much worse teams to much better spots.Superstars do not cry and put 0 effort every time when something they dislike happens.

I can't disagree with the whining and effort part. I think all Kings fans are frustrated with that part. You compare him to guys like Durant Kobe and Curry. In this day and age much more easier for a wing perimeter player to dominate then a big. Last nights game was a perfect example. Cousins getting mugged down low with no whistle (he was physical just as well so not denying that) with no calls while Curry tapped gettin and ones. A big always will need a wing to assist and Gay and Rondo have to many limitations as one can't shoot and the other can't dribble. You mention Shaq but he had Penny Kobe and Wade and shooters to space and all those wings could take heat off of him