NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[c3j3h]

He's young enough to still improve his shooting. In my opinion, shooting is one of the easier skills to improve in the league, a lot more difficult to improve ball handling and vision. I'm just a sucker for defensive, pass first point guards and I think he could be one of the best in the league at the position in those areas.

Man I couldn't disagree more. Can you name me some examples of some PGs that were as bad shooting the ball as Fox is in college but became good shooters in the NBA?

Kyle Lowry shot 42% from the field and 22% from 3 his freshman year, only took 18 3Pt attempts his sophomore year and was shooting under 30% from three his first few years in the league. Reggie Jackson shot 44% from the field and 27% from 3 his freshman year and was also a sub 30% shooter from deep his first few years in the league but is shooting 36% from deep this year and has seen his percentage increase each season.

Outside of PGs you also see a lot of guys improve their shooting. Ibaka, Kawhi, etc. Obviously not everyone does, but if you work on it it's easier to improve then ballhandling or vision in my opinion. Those are skills that tend to be more natural, especially vision.

I don't think Lowry is a good example of this at all. He came off the bench his Freshman season and played poorly overall, but his Sophomore season at Villanova he shot 44.4% from 3p range when he was bumped into a starting role. I think that had more to do with playing time than being a bad shooter. Fox is already his team's starting PG, so that doesn't translate as well.

Reggie is a better example, but even he was shooting 42% from 3p in his last season in college. On top of that, he's not a good shooter in the NBA either. He's a career 32.1% 3p shooter! That's terrible. He's currently shooting on 36.6% on the season from 3p range, which is about as average as possible, and that's his best shooting mark for his career so far in 6 seasons! Not a good example at all. And this is a guy that was still a significantly better shooter in college than De'Aaron Fox is right now.

I'll also say that Kyle Lowry is the exception, not the norm, in terms of PGs that struggled early in their careers and found success later on. Lowry was barely a replacement-level PG until he turned 27 years old and reinvented his career in Toronto. His shooting finally coming around was a big part of that.

Overall in the NBA, guys like Rajon Rondo and Tyreke Evans (athletic PGs that can't shoot and never learn) are way more prevalent than guys like Kyle Lowry. And that's assuming a best-case scenario for the athletic PG that can't shoot archetype. Historically speaking, he's a lot more likely to be Emmanuel Mudiay or Elfrid Payton.

As far as the non-pas are concerned, I don't think we can use Ibaka as an example because we have no idea what he was like a a shooter prior to coming into the NBA. I'll give you Kawhi Leonard, who became what he is today because of his insane work ethic and incredible physicality. But even Kawhi shot the 3 significantly better in college than Fox is right now, and Kawhi backed that up with a nice FT shooting stroke. With Kawhi, you could see that he had the potential to be a good shooter in college, he just hadn't put it all together yet. Nobody is predicting Fox to be a good shooter.

[dozencousins]

I don't think we will do it but I would like to see the Kings waive Aflallo & pick up L.Patterson .

Pretty sure ATL just signed to a multi year deal.


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No he was waived yesterday as seen below .

The Atlanta Hawks Basketball Club has requested waivers on Lamar Patterson, it was announced today by President of Basketball Operations/Head Coach Mike Budenholzer. The team and Patterson agreed to his release to allow Patterson to address a personal matter.
– via NBA.com

[codydaze]

Man I couldn't disagree more. Can you name me some examples of some PGs that were as bad shooting the ball as Fox is in college but became good shooters in the NBA?

Kyle Lowry shot 42% from the field and 22% from 3 his freshman year, only took 18 3Pt attempts his sophomore year and was shooting under 30% from three his first few years in the league. Reggie Jackson shot 44% from the field and 27% from 3 his freshman year and was also a sub 30% shooter from deep his first few years in the league but is shooting 36% from deep this year and has seen his percentage increase each season.

Outside of PGs you also see a lot of guys improve their shooting. Ibaka, Kawhi, etc. Obviously not everyone does, but if you work on it it's easier to improve then ballhandling or vision in my opinion. Those are skills that tend to be more natural, especially vision.

I don't think Lowry is a good example of this at all. He came off the bench his Freshman season and played poorly overall, but his Sophomore season at Villanova he shot 44.4% from 3p range when he was bumped into a starting role. I think that had more to do with playing time than being a bad shooter. Fox is already his team's starting PG, so that doesn't translate as well.

Reggie is a better example, but even he was shooting 42% from 3p in his last season in college. On top of that, he's not a good shooter in the NBA either. He's a career 32.1% 3p shooter! That's terrible. He's currently shooting on 36.6% on the season from 3p range, which is about as average as possible, and that's his best shooting mark for his career so far in 6 seasons! Not a good example at all. And this is a guy that was still a significantly better shooter in college than De'Aaron Fox is right now.

I'll also say that Kyle Lowry is the exception, not the norm, in terms of PGs that struggled early in their careers and found success later on. Lowry was barely a replacement-level PG until he turned 27 years old and reinvented his career in Toronto. His shooting finally coming around was a big part of that.

Overall in the NBA, guys like Rajon Rondo and Tyreke Evans (athletic PGs that can't shoot and never learn) are way more prevalent than guys like Kyle Lowry. And that's assuming a best-case scenario for the athletic PG that can't shoot archetype. Historically speaking, he's a lot more likely to be Emmanuel Mudiay or Elfrid Payton.

As far as the non-pas are concerned, I don't think we can use Ibaka as an example because we have no idea what he was like a a shooter prior to coming into the NBA. I'll give you Kawhi Leonard, who became what he is today because of his insane work ethic and incredible physicality. But even Kawhi shot the 3 significantly better in college than Fox is right now, and Kawhi backed that up with a nice FT shooting stroke. With Kawhi, you could see that he had the potential to be a good shooter in college, he just hadn't put it all together yet. Nobody is predicting Fox to be a good shooter.

With Lowry, if you don't consider his freshman season, I don't think you could consider his sophomore season from a shooting perspective goes either because, while at 44%, he only made 8 total threes. And Jackson is a career 32% shooter because his first three season he shot it terribly. He's not an elite shooter by all means, but he's respectable and will knock down the open shot. You still can't sag off him into the paint. Fox has a good pick and roll game too so he'll be able to score the ball.

I would ask the same question I asked City Of Trees, how many guys who weren't lead guards in college became successful lead guards in the NBA?


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[jeffjtk1234]

If we somehow end up with a top 3 pick via our pick either winning the lotto and swapping with philly who would likely be top 3, I would love to see Josh Jackson as a king he would fit perfectly


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[jeffjtk1234]

That being said it we land Isaac and frank I'd be ecstatic


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[City of Trees]

What I am trying to get you to understand is that if we were 1 of the teams at the low end of the worst records then yes 76ers losing more than us would be great !
However again we are currently tied with the 12th worst record . The point is we need either way to have about the 7th worst record to assure is a top 10 pick . So it does not matter if the 76ers have a better record than us . The bottom line is getting a guarantee of the 7th worst record or below that .
You see if we are having the 8th worst record or above that we risk losing the 10th and below so in that case who cares if the 76ers have a better record or above . In that case we keep our pick and worst case we swap a spot or 2 with the 76ers . If we are 8th or way above like now we risk losing the pick . You should want the 76ers to win right now just the same with all teams below us within range to pass us as well as the teams slightly above us . Every team that starts winning and passes us via record is good for us .

1 more example : Say we had the 4th worst record & the 76ers had the 2nd worst record then yes them losing more than us would be a great thing . In this case trying to get a guarantee of keeping our top 10 protected means it does not matter what teams pass us including the 76ers as long as we are assured our top 10 pick and that means having the 7th worst record or below that's the bottom line.
Today teams to root for are 76ers , Knicks , BUCKS , DALLAS & MINN . If you are rooting to keep our to 10 protected pick .

Oh I understand what you're saying but I'm not as worried about it as you are. Tank sixers, tank.

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I am not overly worried as you say . I am just confused as to why your only concern is the 76ers . Even if they door poorly and we get higher than the 10th pick we still lose our own pick . Unless you are also a 76ers fan . What your rooting for does not make any sense .

Who said the 76ers were my only concern?

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[c3j3h]

Kyle Lowry shot 42% from the field and 22% from 3 his freshman year, only took 18 3Pt attempts his sophomore year and was shooting under 30% from three his first few years in the league. Reggie Jackson shot 44% from the field and 27% from 3 his freshman year and was also a sub 30% shooter from deep his first few years in the league but is shooting 36% from deep this year and has seen his percentage increase each season.

Outside of PGs you also see a lot of guys improve their shooting. Ibaka, Kawhi, etc. Obviously not everyone does, but if you work on it it's easier to improve then ballhandling or vision in my opinion. Those are skills that tend to be more natural, especially vision.

I don't think Lowry is a good example of this at all. He came off the bench his Freshman season and played poorly overall, but his Sophomore season at Villanova he shot 44.4% from 3p range when he was bumped into a starting role. I think that had more to do with playing time than being a bad shooter. Fox is already his team's starting PG, so that doesn't translate as well.

Reggie is a better example, but even he was shooting 42% from 3p in his last season in college. On top of that, he's not a good shooter in the NBA either. He's a career 32.1% 3p shooter! That's terrible. He's currently shooting on 36.6% on the season from 3p range, which is about as average as possible, and that's his best shooting mark for his career so far in 6 seasons! Not a good example at all. And this is a guy that was still a significantly better shooter in college than De'Aaron Fox is right now.

I'll also say that Kyle Lowry is the exception, not the norm, in terms of PGs that struggled early in their careers and found success later on. Lowry was barely a replacement-level PG until he turned 27 years old and reinvented his career in Toronto. His shooting finally coming around was a big part of that.

Overall in the NBA, guys like Rajon Rondo and Tyreke Evans (athletic PGs that can't shoot and never learn) are way more prevalent than guys like Kyle Lowry. And that's assuming a best-case scenario for the athletic PG that can't shoot archetype. Historically speaking, he's a lot more likely to be Emmanuel Mudiay or Elfrid Payton.

As far as the non-pas are concerned, I don't think we can use Ibaka as an example because we have no idea what he was like a a shooter prior to coming into the NBA. I'll give you Kawhi Leonard, who became what he is today because of his insane work ethic and incredible physicality. But even Kawhi shot the 3 significantly better in college than Fox is right now, and Kawhi backed that up with a nice FT shooting stroke. With Kawhi, you could see that he had the potential to be a good shooter in college, he just hadn't put it all together yet. Nobody is predicting Fox to be a good shooter.

With Lowry, if you don't consider his freshman season, I don't think you could consider his sophomore season from a shooting perspective goes either because, while at 44%, he only made 8 total threes. And Jackson is a career 32% shooter because his first three season he shot it terribly. He's not an elite shooter by all means, but he's respectable and will knock down the open shot. You still can't sag off him into the paint. Fox has a good pick and roll game too so he'll be able to score the ball.

I would ask the same question I asked City Of Trees, how many guys who weren't lead guards in college became successful lead guards in the NBA?


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Russell Westbrook is the first name that comes to mind. Darren Collison was the lead guard on that UCLA team, and Westbrook played primarily off-ball. He was drafted as a SG.

James Harden is another guy that played SG in college and spent the first few years of his career playing SG as well. He has adapted his game and turned himself into a full time PG.

Other than those guys I would agree that it's a rare thing to turn an off-ball guard into a lead guard. It doesn't happen very often. The only reason why I think it may be possible with Malik Monk is because he played the lead guard role in high school. Every video I have seen of him in high school shows him as the dominant ball handler. It wasn't until he got to Kentucky that he started playing primarily off-ball.

I think there's a variety of reasons for that. First of all Monk is playing next to De'Aaron Fox, whom despite his inability to make an outside shot is a legitimate NBA prospect and is the definition of a ball-dominant lead guard. Kentucky also has Isaiah Briscoe, who is a ball-dominant guard as well. On top of that, Monk's handle and vision isn't quite good enough yet for him to efficiently run an offense full time at that level. It would only take away from his value as a scorer.

I'm not saying Monk can 100% be a lead guard in the NBA. He definitely won't be able to do it as a rookie, and it will probably take years before he's comfortable doing it full time. But I do think he has the potential to do it down the line, particularly if he is developed properly.

I think that Monk as a SG prospect is sub-optimal because of his size, but if he can adapt himself into the Steph Curry mold he could become a legitimately great NBA player.

[dozencousins]

Oh I understand what you're saying but I'm not as worried about it as you are. Tank sixers, tank.

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I am not overly worried as you say . I am just confused as to why your only concern is the 76ers . Even if they door poorly and we get higher than the 10th pick we still lose our own pick . Unless you are also a 76ers fan . What your rooting for does not make any sense .

Who said the 76ers were my only concern?

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Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

[c3j3h]

I am not overly worried as you say . I am just confused as to why your only concern is the 76ers . Even if they door poorly and we get higher than the 10th pick we still lose our own pick . Unless you are also a 76ers fan . What your rooting for does not make any sense .

Who said the 76ers were my only concern?

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Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

I don't understand why you're so hung up about the 76ers thing. The fact is that the 76ers losing as many games as possible is still good for the Kings, simply because it increases the value of a potential pick swap.

Let's say the Sixers wind up with the 4th worst record in the league. At that point, regardless of where the Kings wind up, it still benefits the Kings in the scenario where a swap occurs.

Because a swap only happens if the Kings jump the 76ers in the lottery, the Kings getting "lucky" and moving into the Top 3 doesn't really help us all that much unless the Sixers ALSO jump into the Top 3, right? Because if we jump up alone, the Sixers just get our pick. Follow me?

But if the Sixers have the 4th seed vs, let's say the 8th seed, that helps us out quite a bit. Because now when we end up on the losing end of a hypothetical swap, we still end up with the Sixers pick in the 5-6 range, instead of winding up with a Sixers pick in the 8-9 range. See what I'm saying?

So the Sixers losing games is great for us no matter what happens. Not only does it decrease the likelihood for the swap to occur, but it also INCREASES the value of the swap if that situation does come up. It's better for the Kings to swap a Top 3 pick for the 5th pick than it is to swap a Top 3 pick for the 8th or 9th pick.

Kings fans should be rooting hard for the Sixers and the Pelicans to LOSE as many games as possible, as I detailed in this post I wrote up on Reddit the other day called "How to play The Tanking Game." Check it out.


https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/5w7gvs/how_to_play_the_tanking_game/

[codydaze]

I don't think Lowry is a good example of this at all. He came off the bench his Freshman season and played poorly overall, but his Sophomore season at Villanova he shot 44.4% from 3p range when he was bumped into a starting role. I think that had more to do with playing time than being a bad shooter. Fox is already his team's starting PG, so that doesn't translate as well.

Reggie is a better example, but even he was shooting 42% from 3p in his last season in college. On top of that, he's not a good shooter in the NBA either. He's a career 32.1% 3p shooter! That's terrible. He's currently shooting on 36.6% on the season from 3p range, which is about as average as possible, and that's his best shooting mark for his career so far in 6 seasons! Not a good example at all. And this is a guy that was still a significantly better shooter in college than De'Aaron Fox is right now.

I'll also say that Kyle Lowry is the exception, not the norm, in terms of PGs that struggled early in their careers and found success later on. Lowry was barely a replacement-level PG until he turned 27 years old and reinvented his career in Toronto. His shooting finally coming around was a big part of that.

Overall in the NBA, guys like Rajon Rondo and Tyreke Evans (athletic PGs that can't shoot and never learn) are way more prevalent than guys like Kyle Lowry. And that's assuming a best-case scenario for the athletic PG that can't shoot archetype. Historically speaking, he's a lot more likely to be Emmanuel Mudiay or Elfrid Payton.

As far as the non-pas are concerned, I don't think we can use Ibaka as an example because we have no idea what he was like a a shooter prior to coming into the NBA. I'll give you Kawhi Leonard, who became what he is today because of his insane work ethic and incredible physicality. But even Kawhi shot the 3 significantly better in college than Fox is right now, and Kawhi backed that up with a nice FT shooting stroke. With Kawhi, you could see that he had the potential to be a good shooter in college, he just hadn't put it all together yet. Nobody is predicting Fox to be a good shooter.

With Lowry, if you don't consider his freshman season, I don't think you could consider his sophomore season from a shooting perspective goes either because, while at 44%, he only made 8 total threes. And Jackson is a career 32% shooter because his first three season he shot it terribly. He's not an elite shooter by all means, but he's respectable and will knock down the open shot. You still can't sag off him into the paint. Fox has a good pick and roll game too so he'll be able to score the ball.

I would ask the same question I asked City Of Trees, how many guys who weren't lead guards in college became successful lead guards in the NBA?


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Russell Westbrook is the first name that comes to mind. Darren Collison was the lead guard on that UCLA team, and Westbrook played primarily off-ball. He was drafted as a SG.

James Harden is another guy that played SG in college and spent the first few years of his career playing SG as well. He has adapted his game and turned himself into a full time PG.

Other than those guys I would agree that it's a rare thing to turn an off-ball guard into a lead guard. It doesn't happen very often. The only reason why I think it may be possible with Malik Monk is because he played the lead guard role in high school. Every video I have seen of him in high school shows him as the dominant ball handler. It wasn't until he got to Kentucky that he started playing primarily off-ball.

I think there's a variety of reasons for that. First of all Monk is playing next to De'Aaron Fox, whom despite his inability to make an outside shot is a legitimate NBA prospect and is the definition of a ball-dominant lead guard. Kentucky also has Isaiah Briscoe, who is a ball-dominant guard as well. On top of that, Monk's handle and vision isn't quite good enough yet for him to efficiently run an offense full time at that level. It would only take away from his value as a scorer.

I'm not saying Monk can 100% be a lead guard in the NBA. He definitely won't be able to do it as a rookie, and it will probably take years before he's comfortable doing it full time. But I do think he has the potential to do it down the line, particularly if he is developed properly.

I think that Monk as a SG prospect is sub-optimal because of his size, but if he can adapt himself into the Steph Curry mold he could become a legitimately great NBA player.

Westbrook and Harden also have an incredible feel for the game and court vision that Monk would have a long way to go to achieve but I hear what you're saying. I think he could eventually be one of those guys you could put in a lead guard role in a pinch but wouldn't want him there full time.

I think most prospects at Monk's level play lead guard in high school though since they're likely far and beyond the best player on their team. Still, I would probably take Dennis Smith over either of them if he were available at our first pick. I see Westbrook-ish qualities in him.

[dozencousins]

Who said the 76ers were my only concern?

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Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

I don't understand why you're so hung up about the 76ers thing. The fact is that the 76ers losing as many games as possible is still good for the Kings, simply because it increases the value of a potential pick swap.

Let's say the Sixers wind up with the 4th worst record in the league. At that point, regardless of where the Kings wind up, it still benefits the Kings in the scenario where a swap occurs.

Because a swap only happens if the Kings jump the 76ers in the lottery, the Kings getting "lucky" and moving into the Top 3 doesn't really help us all that much unless the Sixers ALSO jump into the Top 3, right? Because if we jump up alone, the Sixers just get our pick. Follow me?

But if the Sixers have the 4th seed vs, let's say the 8th seed, that helps us out quite a bit. Because now when we end up on the losing end of a hypothetical swap, we still end up with the Sixers pick in the 5-6 range, instead of winding up with a Sixers pick in the 8-9 range. See what I'm saying?

So the Sixers losing games is great for us no matter what happens. Not only does it decrease the likelihood for the swap to occur, but it also INCREASES the value of the swap if that situation does come up. It's better for the Kings to swap a Top 3 pick for the 5th pick than it is to swap a Top 3 pick for the 8th or 9th pick.

Kings fans should be rooting hard for the Sixers and the Pelicans to LOSE as many games as possible, as I detailed in this post I wrote up on Reddit the other day called "How to play The Tanking Game." Check it out.


https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/5w7gvs/how_to_play_the_tanking_game/

Is this response to me or city of trees ?



If it's to me the bottom line for the Kings is we have to have a lot of teams end up with better records as we are tied for 12th so even if that meant we had a worse record than the 76ers that is a good thing if it came down to it because if we do not move down in standings we are highly likely losing our pick .

[codydaze]

Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

I don't understand why you're so hung up about the 76ers thing. The fact is that the 76ers losing as many games as possible is still good for the Kings, simply because it increases the value of a potential pick swap.

Let's say the Sixers wind up with the 4th worst record in the league. At that point, regardless of where the Kings wind up, it still benefits the Kings in the scenario where a swap occurs.

Because a swap only happens if the Kings jump the 76ers in the lottery, the Kings getting "lucky" and moving into the Top 3 doesn't really help us all that much unless the Sixers ALSO jump into the Top 3, right? Because if we jump up alone, the Sixers just get our pick. Follow me?

But if the Sixers have the 4th seed vs, let's say the 8th seed, that helps us out quite a bit. Because now when we end up on the losing end of a hypothetical swap, we still end up with the Sixers pick in the 5-6 range, instead of winding up with a Sixers pick in the 8-9 range. See what I'm saying?

So the Sixers losing games is great for us no matter what happens. Not only does it decrease the likelihood for the swap to occur, but it also INCREASES the value of the swap if that situation does come up. It's better for the Kings to swap a Top 3 pick for the 5th pick than it is to swap a Top 3 pick for the 8th or 9th pick.

Kings fans should be rooting hard for the Sixers and the Pelicans to LOSE as many games as possible, as I detailed in this post I wrote up on Reddit the other day called "How to play The Tanking Game." Check it out.


https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/5w7gvs/how_to_play_the_tanking_game/

Is this response to me or city of trees ?



If it's to me the bottom line for the Kings is we have to have a lot of teams end up with better records as we are tied for 12th so even if that meant we had a worse record than the 76ers that is a good thing if it came down to it because if we do not move down in standings we are highly likely losing our pick .

Yeah, but we're going to be losing a lot of games. Philly tanking out also has no effect on us. Everyone is so close in standings we could easily fall to the 6 slot in a matter of 3-4 games.

[City of Trees]

Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

bro you took my one comment about how Embiid missing time helps our tank, and somehow twisted it into this idea where I'm only rooting for Philly to lose? Philly is one of many moving parts that dictates where the Kings picks fall.



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[City of Trees]

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/5w7gvs/how_to_play_the_tanking_game/

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[JohnWillow]

If we somehow end up with a top 3 pick via our pick either winning the lotto and swapping with philly who would likely be top 3, I would love to see Josh Jackson as a king he would fit perfectly


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Josh Jackson maybe can drop in the draft? Because of this.

http://deadspin.com/kansass-josh-jackson-charged-for-allegedly-kicking-the-1792745374

[Castor_Troy]

If we somehow end up with a top 3 pick via our pick either winning the lotto and swapping with philly who would likely be top 3, I would love to see Josh Jackson as a king he would fit perfectly


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Josh Jackson maybe can drop in the draft? Because of this.

http://deadspin.com/kansass-josh-jackson-charged-for-allegedly-kicking-the-1792745374

Sorry bro, this teams all about character guys

[Sheva7]

Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

bro you took my one comment about how Embiid missing time helps our tank, and somehow twisted it into this idea where I'm only rooting for Philly to lose? Philly is one of many moving parts that dictates where the Kings picks fall.



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Yeah we need a lot of teams to pass us etc. but philly losing only helps us. Not only with the pick swap but we also have their 2nd round pick.

[blind prophet]

I don't think we will do it but I would like to see the Kings waive Aflallo & pick up L.Patterson .

Only if AA wants to roam. Don't want to piss off every guy who comes to town.

[SacKingZZZ]

I'm really starting to like Miles Bridges. He was a bit disappointing earlier in the year but he's showing that he could be a match up nightmare at SF/PF. His physicality on both ends would fit this team well.

[dozencousins]

Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

bro you took my one comment about how Embiid missing time helps our tank, and somehow twisted it into this idea where I'm only rooting for Philly to lose? Philly is one of many moving parts that dictates where the Kings picks fall.



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I don't understand why you're so hung up about the 76ers thing. The fact is that the 76ers losing as many games as possible is still good for the Kings, simply because it increases the value of a potential pick swap.

Let's say the Sixers wind up with the 4th worst record in the league. At that point, regardless of where the Kings wind up, it still benefits the Kings in the scenario where a swap occurs.

Because a swap only happens if the Kings jump the 76ers in the lottery, the Kings getting "lucky" and moving into the Top 3 doesn't really help us all that much unless the Sixers ALSO jump into the Top 3, right? Because if we jump up alone, the Sixers just get our pick. Follow me?

But if the Sixers have the 4th seed vs, let's say the 8th seed, that helps us out quite a bit. Because now when we end up on the losing end of a hypothetical swap, we still end up with the Sixers pick in the 5-6 range, instead of winding up with a Sixers pick in the 8-9 range. See what I'm saying?

So the Sixers losing games is great for us no matter what happens. Not only does it decrease the likelihood for the swap to occur, but it also INCREASES the value of the swap if that situation does come up. It's better for the Kings to swap a Top 3 pick for the 5th pick than it is to swap a Top 3 pick for the 8th or 9th pick.

Kings fans should be rooting hard for the Sixers and the Pelicans to LOSE as many games as possible, as I detailed in this post I wrote up on Reddit the other day called "How to play The Tanking Game." Check it out.


https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/5w7gvs/how_to_play_the_tanking_game/

Is this response to me or city of trees ?



If it's to me the bottom line for the Kings is we have to have a lot of teams end up with better records as we are tied for 12th so even if that meant we had a worse record than the 76ers that is a good thing if it came down to it because if we do not move down in standings we are highly likely losing our pick .

Yeah, but we're going to be losing a lot of games. Philly tanking out also has no effect on us. Everyone is so close in standings we could easily fall to the 6 slot in a matter of 3-4 games.

I am basically responding to both .
I am not hung up on any Embiid comment or really anything your saying .
I get both of your points about the 76ers 2nd round pick that makes a ton of sense for that pick .

What does not make sense to me is if anyone wants to get the t op 10 pick then our bottom line in order to guarantee that pick means we need to have the 7th worst record or below that & that will be really hard .
Can it happen ? Of course but it will be hard .We need to start losing many games in a row & often where as many of the lower teams win . Again others are tanking so if you have a lot of tanking teams 76ers , knicks & others than unless you tank better you won't get there .
Maybe we will be lucky . That would be a nice change of pace considering we never really have been in the lotto as far as drafting position goes .
Again my main focus is the 1-10 protected pick with the Bulls . We I believe are guaranteed a top 10 pick if we have the 7th worst record or below that our remaining games is not as hard as other teams especially against our remaining home opponents .
I am more caring about the top 10 pick not going to Chicago than I am of swapping with Phily or worrying to hard about that 2nd round pick .
23 games is not a lot of games to lose 3 games worth of ground on a lot of teams when most of those teams are tanking when we are not exactly doing that directly .


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