SacKingZZZ wrote:It depends. As a PG Doncic can be special, as a wing playing off the ball I think he won't be nearly as prolific. Bogdan is better defensively from what I've seen but while good in pick and roll he hasn't nearly the vision Doncic does. If he doesn't run a team full time I think Hedo level is realistic.
City of Trees wrote:SacKingZZZ wrote:It depends. As a PG Doncic can be special, as a wing playing off the ball I think he won't be nearly as prolific. Bogdan is better defensively from what I've seen but while good in pick and roll he hasn't nearly the vision Doncic does. If he doesn't run a team full time I think Hedo level is realistic.
Doncic is a less athletic Ben Simmons. Point forward so to speak. I just wish Luka moved faster and jumped higher.
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kingjawn100 wrote:The Kings are so far away from being a title contender that if we had the choice we should chose Ayton. He's the one guy in this draft that could revitalize the entire franchise. imagine Ayton/WCS/a healthy Giles in the front court along with Fox and Bogi in the backcourt. Not sure how many wins that gets you next year but it would be a very fun team to watch.
bleeds_purple wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:The Kings are so far away from being a title contender that if we had the choice we should chose Ayton. He's the one guy in this draft that could revitalize the entire franchise. imagine Ayton/WCS/a healthy Giles in the front court along with Fox and Bogi in the backcourt. Not sure how many wins that gets you next year but it would be a very fun team to watch.
Dunno if we should be drafting a center. It's a low impact position these days. Plus we already have WCS who is showing so much potential. If and when we improve our pace and WCS continues to get stronger he can become a dominant two-way center.
Porter is the best option for us both in terms of ceiling and needs. I'm crossing my fingers and praying to the basketball gods that we snag him and he winds up being the next "it" guy.
Down the line more teams are going to continue figuring out that you just want a bunch of guys with long arms between 6'6 and 6'10 that can switch everything and protect the rim on defense while still being able to shoot, pass, and dribble on offense.
Look at the smart GMs, like Ainge, they draft wings. As the league continues down the path its headed and more and more guys in the 6'6 - 6'10 range come in the league with A-Z offensive skill sets the league will become more and more dominated by wings. If I'm building a team, I'm simply not going to be taking bigs who will command max deals later in their career. It's a trap.
kalenclayton wrote:City of Trees wrote:SacKingZZZ wrote:It depends. As a PG Doncic can be special, as a wing playing off the ball I think he won't be nearly as prolific. Bogdan is better defensively from what I've seen but while good in pick and roll he hasn't nearly the vision Doncic does. If he doesn't run a team full time I think Hedo level is realistic.
Doncic is a less athletic Ben Simmons. Point forward so to speak. I just wish Luka moved faster and jumped higher.
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You guys are describing why the Kings are not a fit for him. Luka will do best if he is the point forward. He needs the ball to maximize his talent. The issue is that we already have a PG with huge potential who needs the ball to maximize his talent. Drafting Luka would be doing a disservice to all the three main affected parties (Kings, Fox, Doncic). Sure, there is a chance that they work it out, but I would say it’s unlikely.
We are likely to have a really high pick. I would say we are locked in the top 6 (because Kings). If we are drafting that high, we need to be going for someone who will fit with current personnel. If there is a big gap in talent, then of course take BPA. I just don’t see the biggest talent gap in the top six besides Ayton.
If I am drafting for the Kings, I am skipping on Doncic for Ayton, Porter, and even Bamba (love his fit and potential). After that, I’m thinking long and hard about Bagley and Doncic. We should really be looking at fit in this draft because I believe Fox is the real deal. We have one piece that seems to be a cornerstone (still not concrete, but close). Let’s start putting a team together so they can grow.
bleeds_purple wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:The Kings are so far away from being a title contender that if we had the choice we should chose Ayton. He's the one guy in this draft that could revitalize the entire franchise. imagine Ayton/WCS/a healthy Giles in the front court along with Fox and Bogi in the backcourt. Not sure how many wins that gets you next year but it would be a very fun team to watch.
Dunno if we should be drafting a center. It's a low impact position these days. Plus we already have WCS who is showing so much potential. If and when we improve our pace and WCS continues to get stronger he can become a dominant two-way center.
Porter is the best option for us both in terms of ceiling and needs. I'm crossing my fingers and praying to the basketball gods that we snag him and he winds up being the next "it" guy.
Down the line more teams are going to continue figuring out that you just want a bunch of guys with long arms between 6'6 and 6'10 that can switch everything and protect the rim on defense while still being able to shoot, pass, and dribble on offense.
Look at the smart GMs, like Ainge, they draft wings. As the league continues down the path its headed and more and more guys in the 6'6 - 6'10 range come in the league with A-Z offensive skill sets the league will become more and more dominated by wings. If I'm building a team, I'm simply not going to be taking bigs who will command max deals later in their career. It's a trap.
City of Trees wrote:So after tonight's game with Arizona I'm convinced Ayton is destined to be a Sacramento King. That was a very Robert Horry-ish way to lose the game. Ayton will fit in just fine.
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kingjawn100 wrote:i think we need to be very careful not to overvalue the players on the current roster. We are one of the worst teams in the league for a reason (yes partly youth but also lack of premier talent). Sure Willie is showing offensive improvement but when he's the rim protector and your team is one of the worsts in the league defensively and in rebounding that tells me we need help in that area. And Fox has looked great recently but he doesn't seem really adept at getting teammates involved which you can tell by his assist numbers. To me Fox projects down the road more as a spark plug Jamal Crawford type off the bench than a number 1 or 2 option starter (and that's no knock on him...some guys average nearly 20ppg off the bench).
Especially come the last month of the season (when good teams are resting players and bad teams are tanking) you can't get fooled by what you see on the court. At the end of last season people thought Skal and Buddy were the future stars of this franchise and that PapaG was at very least a servicable nba big. How quickly things have changed.
All this is saying...draft the best player available. Not drafting Doncic because Fox is on the roster or not drafting Ayton because WCS/Giles are on the roster would look pretty foolish down the road.
RipPizzaGuy wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:i think we need to be very careful not to overvalue the players on the current roster. We are one of the worst teams in the league for a reason (yes partly youth but also lack of premier talent). Sure Willie is showing offensive improvement but when he's the rim protector and your team is one of the worsts in the league defensively and in rebounding that tells me we need help in that area. And Fox has looked great recently but he doesn't seem really adept at getting teammates involved which you can tell by his assist numbers. To me Fox projects down the road more as a spark plug Jamal Crawford type off the bench than a number 1 or 2 option starter (and that's no knock on him...some guys average nearly 20ppg off the bench).
Especially come the last month of the season (when good teams are resting players and bad teams are tanking) you can't get fooled by what you see on the court. At the end of last season people thought Skal and Buddy were the future stars of this franchise and that PapaG was at very least a servicable nba big. How quickly things have changed.
All this is saying...draft the best player available. Not drafting Doncic because Fox is on the roster or not drafting Ayton because WCS/Giles are on the roster would look pretty foolish down the road.
How on earth does anyone watch Dearron Fox play and say that he projects to be Jamal Crawford? Either you haven't watched Fox much or you haven't spent a ton of time watching the NBA to know the kind of player Crawford is. I don't see any parallels.
Crawford is a microwave chucker who gets hot and cold and doesn't much affect the game outside his shooting.
Fox is a good defender, excels at getting to the hole, and setting up his teammates.
I literally just don't understand.
RipPizzaGuy wrote:If Mikal Bridges is being touted as the best wing defender in the NCAA with a 3pt shot falling at +40% why is he not projected top 5?
Is he projected more as a 3&D instead of potential star?
Bagley and WCS both being super athletic may be the new definition of twin towers. Both guys having switch out ability and Bagley seems to be a great rebounder with decent range for a big.
I really want Michael Porter but wouldn't be upset about Bagley either.
I feel there were the same concerns about Donovan Mitchell minus 1 year and now 10 teams regret passingCity of Trees wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:If Mikal Bridges is being touted as the best wing defender in the NCAA with a 3pt shot falling at +40% why is he not projected top 5?
Is he projected more as a 3&D instead of potential star?
Bagley and WCS both being super athletic may be the new definition of twin towers. Both guys having switch out ability and Bagley seems to be a great rebounder with decent range for a big.
I really want Michael Porter but wouldn't be upset about Bagley either.
Mikal will be a 22 year old rookie. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.
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RipPizzaGuy wrote:If Mikal Bridges is being touted as the best wing defender in the NCAA with a 3pt shot falling at +40% why is he not projected top 5?
Is he projected more as a 3&D instead of potential star?
Bagley and WCS both being super athletic may be the new definition of twin towers. Both guys having switch out ability and Bagley seems to be a great rebounder with decent range for a big.
I really want Michael Porter but wouldn't be upset about Bagley either.
Castor_Troy wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:i think we need to be very careful not to overvalue the players on the current roster. We are one of the worst teams in the league for a reason (yes partly youth but also lack of premier talent). Sure Willie is showing offensive improvement but when he's the rim protector and your team is one of the worsts in the league defensively and in rebounding that tells me we need help in that area. And Fox has looked great recently but he doesn't seem really adept at getting teammates involved which you can tell by his assist numbers. To me Fox projects down the road more as a spark plug Jamal Crawford type off the bench than a number 1 or 2 option starter (and that's no knock on him...some guys average nearly 20ppg off the bench).
Especially come the last month of the season (when good teams are resting players and bad teams are tanking) you can't get fooled by what you see on the court. At the end of last season people thought Skal and Buddy were the future stars of this franchise and that PapaG was at very least a servicable nba big. How quickly things have changed.
All this is saying...draft the best player available. Not drafting Doncic because Fox is on the roster or not drafting Ayton because WCS/Giles are on the roster would look pretty foolish down the road.
How on earth does anyone watch Dearron Fox play and say that he projects to be Jamal Crawford? Either you haven't watched Fox much or you haven't spent a ton of time watching the NBA to know the kind of player Crawford is. I don't see any parallels.
Crawford is a microwave chucker who gets hot and cold and doesn't much affect the game outside his shooting.
Fox is a good defender, excels at getting to the hole, and setting up his teammates.
I literally just don't understand.
Agreed, if anyone should be compared to Crawford it's Buddy.
SacKingZZZ wrote:Castor_Troy wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:
How on earth does anyone watch Dearron Fox play and say that he projects to be Jamal Crawford? Either you haven't watched Fox much or you haven't spent a ton of time watching the NBA to know the kind of player Crawford is. I don't see any parallels.
Crawford is a microwave chucker who gets hot and cold and doesn't much affect the game outside his shooting.
Fox is a good defender, excels at getting to the hole, and setting up his teammates.
I literally just don't understand.
Agreed, if anyone should be compared to Crawford it's Buddy.
I think people are quick to forget that at one point Crawford was close to star level. Still, Crawford is a bad comp for Fox. If Fox could eventually shoot like Crawford he'll be a superstar with the physical tools he's has. And Buddy is a bad comparison for Crawford as well. Crawford was always a combo guard who would shoot first and pass later. Buddy is a true SG/wing. Different types of players.
Call Me Geoff wrote:In this order I’d take any of the following and be ecstatic..
Bagley
Porter Jr.
Bamba
Doncic
Trae Young (don’t care if he’s redundant)
RipPizzaGuy wrote:SacKingZZZ wrote:Castor_Troy wrote:
Agreed, if anyone should be compared to Crawford it's Buddy.
I think people are quick to forget that at one point Crawford was close to star level. Still, Crawford is a bad comp for Fox. If Fox could eventually shoot like Crawford he'll be a superstar with the physical tools he's has. And Buddy is a bad comparison for Crawford as well. Crawford was always a combo guard who would shoot first and pass later. Buddy is a true SG/wing. Different types of players.
I wasnt disrespecting Crawford as a player just saying the comparison is way way off.
Buddy strikes me as a bad version of Klay. Shouldn't be creating his own shot, but excels in spotting up. He also has the potential to be a real good defender.
I see the Wall comparisons in Fox the more he plays. This guy has the ability to be 10 feet behind the defender in the open court and still beat them to the rim. Hes becoming a better and better finisher, he sets his teammates up well. And he can be a pest on the ball. His midrange almost reminds me of a younger Westbrook. Im probably being a bit optimistic but that is much closer to what I see than Crawford.