The TRADE Thread 2021

[codydaze]

The Heat shouldn't consider it but with their underperforming season I wonder if Bam could be had for some hefty draft capital?


He's good friends with Fox, matches the timeline, and fills the gap down low.

Fox, Haliburton, Bam is a CORE

2020 unprotected 1st
2022 unprotected 1st
Bagley
Belly
Holmes

Bam is probably the one untouchable player on that roster but it sure would be awesome to get him, I'd have no issue with that trade as constructed except maybe trying to get a top 1-3 protection on one of those picks just in case the lottery is nice to us again.

[LightTheBeam]

The Heat shouldn't consider it but with their underperforming season I wonder if Bam could be had for some hefty draft capital?


He's good friends with Fox, matches the timeline, and fills the gap down low.

Fox, Haliburton, Bam is a CORE

2020 unprotected 1st
2022 unprotected 1st
Bagley
Belly
Holmes

Bam is probably the one untouchable player on that roster but it sure would be awesome to get him, I'd have no issue with that trade as constructed except maybe trying to get a top 1-3 protection on one of those picks just in case the lottery is nice to us again.

If Bam could be had for this, we are likely a playoff team. I wouldn't sweat the 1-3 protection. That said, I think Butler is more likely to be moved than Bam. Still not like Riley to tank, they probably wait and add Dipo this offseason or finally pony up with Herro/Robinson to get Beal.

[SmellingColors]

Yeah I really doubt Bam's available. I do think maybe Collins or Gordon are though. The Magic aren't doing well and may need to ship out Vucevic and Gordon to prepare for the future although they've decided against that in the past so who knows.

And supposedly Collins and Young aren't on the best of terms + Collins didn't sign his extension. Not sure what it would take to get either one, but Collins is already at what I think is near Bagley's best case scenario and Gordon/Barnes would be very switchable at the 3/4 spot. I like the idea of packaging Bagley to target either one, but have no idea what it would take.

I know Collins has been knocked for his defense. Anyone have an idea how bad it actually is?

[nolimit0820]

What about a package centered around Buddy and MPJ? Obviously would need to make salaries work. I think Buddy would be a nice third piece to Jokic and Murray. MPJ has been limited in play and seems to not be ready to be the guy he potentially can be so soon, especially with Denver in contention. This would also free up Halliburton to step into a more prominent role next to Fox. MPJ has the same defensive problems as MBIII. I would never want to see them on the floor at the same time. Marvin would need to go. I would rather see MPJ as a stretch four over time than Marvin.

[SmellingColors]

There's an article on the Kings Herald suggesting we trade Barnes to the Celtics for one of Nesmith or Langford and a pick or two. I don't know enough about Langford, but making that deal seems like we're giving up on this season which is fine long term, but i wonder what that would do to morale especially for Fox/Haliburton who clearly want to push for that playoff spot.

What do you guys think?

[codydaze]

There's an article on the Kings Herald suggesting we trade Barnes to the Celtics for one of Nesmith or Langford and a pick or two. I don't know enough about Langford, but making that deal seems like we're giving up on this season which is fine long term, but i wonder what that would do to morale especially for Fox/Haliburton who clearly want to push for that playoff spot.

What do you guys think?

I'm not as bullish on trading Barnes but there's definitely a lot of smoke there. I don't know if it's just a lot teams calling about him or if we're shopping but he is a guy that I think could help a lot of different teams. If we did move Barnes to Boston, I would like to bring in Theis or Robert Williams as well with that package.

[nolimit0820]

We would likely agree that Harrison's departure would hurt this team's morale on the floor and in the locker room. Furthermore, he should command a better return than the Boston proposal. He can play the third role on a championship contender with his current play and experience.

[cl2117]

There's an article on the Kings Herald suggesting we trade Barnes to the Celtics for one of Nesmith or Langford and a pick or two. I don't know enough about Langford, but making that deal seems like we're giving up on this season which is fine long term, but i wonder what that would do to morale especially for Fox/Haliburton who clearly want to push for that playoff spot.

What do you guys think?

I'm not as bullish on trading Barnes but there's definitely a lot of smoke there. I don't know if it's just a lot teams calling about him or if we're shopping but he is a guy that I think could help a lot of different teams. If we did move Barnes to Boston, I would like to bring in Theis or Robert Williams as well with that package.

Can I interest you in a pre-owned Tristan Thompson Kardarshian?

[BoogieTime]

There's an article on the Kings Herald suggesting we trade Barnes to the Celtics for one of Nesmith or Langford and a pick or two. I don't know enough about Langford, but making that deal seems like we're giving up on this season which is fine long term, but i wonder what that would do to morale especially for Fox/Haliburton who clearly want to push for that playoff spot.

What do you guys think?

I'm not as bullish on trading Barnes but there's definitely a lot of smoke there. I don't know if it's just a lot teams calling about him or if we're shopping but he is a guy that I think could help a lot of different teams. If we did move Barnes to Boston, I would like to bring in Theis or Robert Williams as well with that package.

Smoke? You think that feelers are being out by Kings FO possibly?

[codydaze]

There's an article on the Kings Herald suggesting we trade Barnes to the Celtics for one of Nesmith or Langford and a pick or two. I don't know enough about Langford, but making that deal seems like we're giving up on this season which is fine long term, but i wonder what that would do to morale especially for Fox/Haliburton who clearly want to push for that playoff spot.

What do you guys think?

I'm not as bullish on trading Barnes but there's definitely a lot of smoke there. I don't know if it's just a lot teams calling about him or if we're shopping but he is a guy that I think could help a lot of different teams. If we did move Barnes to Boston, I would like to bring in Theis or Robert Williams as well with that package.

Smoke? You think that feelers are being out by Kings FO possibly?

Possibly. That or other teams calling about him. On the boards and in the media there has been a lot of Barnes trade talk.

[HEKTOR]

You think you guys could get Beal?

To SAC: Beal, B.Lopez, T.Brown
To WAS: Buddy, Bagley, Holmes, picks

Or even more simple (just with a 1st going to Washington too):

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y49enkuw

[City of Trees]

You think you guys could get Beal?

To SAC: Beal, B.Lopez, T.Brown
To WAS: Buddy, Bagley, Holmes, picks

Or even more simple (just with a 1st going to Washington too):

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y49enkuw

Sign me up but I'd want to keep Holmes if possible.

[CraftylikeaFox]

We would likely agree that Harrison's departure would hurt this team's morale on the floor and in the locker room. Furthermore, he should command a better return than the Boston proposal. He can play the third role on a championship contender with his current play and experience.

It depends on the offer, but honestly I'd be inclined to pass. We can't keep getting rid of our top locker room guys. Losing Temple and Shumpert both hurt us, and they weren't even major producers on the floor. Barnes evens this team out more than anyone, even if he is having an off night.

[LightTheBeam]

Fox - Hali - Buddy - Barnes - Holmes grades out as the 2nd best 5man lineup to play +100 minutes.

I don't think we need to sell off anyone right now unless a clear better fit is available. I'm more interested in trying to use Bagley for a true long term fit that is a few years further ahead (Grant, Wood, Collins?) Or upgrading the bench. If we could turn Whiteside/Joseph into 2 legit bench pieces this team is destined for the playoffs. My only fear is we lack any depth beyond our top 6, and have very limited role players.

[OGSactownballer]

Yeah I really doubt Bam's available. I do think maybe Collins or Gordon are though. The Magic aren't doing well and may need to ship out Vucevic and Gordon to prepare for the future although they've decided against that in the past so who knows.

And supposedly Collins and Young aren't on the best of terms + Collins didn't sign his extension. Not sure what it would take to get either one, but Collins is already at what I think is near Bagley's best case scenario and Gordon/Barnes would be very switchable at the 3/4 spot. I like the idea of packaging Bagley to target either one, but have no idea what it would take.

I know Collins has been knocked for his defense. Anyone have an idea how bad it actually is?

Bad.

And he’s going to cost a LOT of money next year and it will be a HUGE overpay.

[OGSactownballer]

What about a package centered around Buddy and MPJ? Obviously would need to make salaries work. I think Buddy would be a nice third piece to Jokic and Murray. MPJ has been limited in play and seems to not be ready to be the guy he potentially can be so soon, especially with Denver in contention. This would also free up Halliburton to step into a more prominent role next to Fox. MPJ has the same defensive problems as MBIII. I would never want to see them on the floor at the same time. Marvin would need to go. I would rather see MPJ as a stretch four over time than Marvin.

Same thing here as Collins. Horrific defense in a big is a non starter if they are going to eventually demand high dollars fir their scoring ability.

Contention demands top paid players to be able to play at a superior level at BOTH ends of the floor.

[SmellingColors]

Yeah I really doubt Bam's available. I do think maybe Collins or Gordon are though. The Magic aren't doing well and may need to ship out Vucevic and Gordon to prepare for the future although they've decided against that in the past so who knows.

And supposedly Collins and Young aren't on the best of terms + Collins didn't sign his extension. Not sure what it would take to get either one, but Collins is already at what I think is near Bagley's best case scenario and Gordon/Barnes would be very switchable at the 3/4 spot. I like the idea of packaging Bagley to target either one, but have no idea what it would take.

I know Collins has been knocked for his defense. Anyone have an idea how bad it actually is?

Bad.

And he’s going to cost a LOT of money next year and it will be a HUGE overpay.

Looking at stats, though, his defensive plus/minus is 5th best in the league and opponents are shooting -1.0% overall against him and -4.8% at the rim. Looks like 3's are what he guards the worst, but are only shooting +0.4%. To put that into perspective, Holmes is at 22nd best defensive plus/minus, but opponents are shooting -2.4% overall against him, -8.6% at the rim, and -1.9% on 3's. (He's also probably our best defensive player).

Compare that with Bagley who opponents are shooting +8.5% overall, +13.4% at the rim, and +3.0% on 3's.

Not saying Collins is a world beater, but is there any chance he's better than people give him credit for? Or are these stats just because he's playing with Clint Capela who, right now, has the best defensive plus/minus in the league? Or just by virtue of playing in the East? Or is the eye test just more important in this case?

I guess I just need to watch some Hawks games, but if Collins can be a neutral or net positive defender, replacing Bagley with him would make that starting 5 real scary offensively.

[Ball4life32]

Yeah I really doubt Bam's available. I do think maybe Collins or Gordon are though. The Magic aren't doing well and may need to ship out Vucevic and Gordon to prepare for the future although they've decided against that in the past so who knows.

And supposedly Collins and Young aren't on the best of terms + Collins didn't sign his extension. Not sure what it would take to get either one, but Collins is already at what I think is near Bagley's best case scenario and Gordon/Barnes would be very switchable at the 3/4 spot. I like the idea of packaging Bagley to target either one, but have no idea what it would take.

I know Collins has been knocked for his defense. Anyone have an idea how bad it actually is?

Bad.

And he’s going to cost a LOT of money next year and it will be a HUGE overpay.

Looking at stats, though, his defensive plus/minus is 5th best in the league and opponents are shooting -1.0% overall against him and -4.8% at the rim. Looks like 3's are what he guards the worst, but are only shooting +0.4%. To put that into perspective, Holmes is at 22nd best defensive plus/minus, but opponents are shooting -2.4% overall against him, -8.6% at the rim, and -1.9% on 3's. (He's also probably our best defensive player).

Compare that with Bagley who opponents are shooting +8.5% overall, +13.4% at the rim, and +3.0% on 3's.

Not saying Collins is a world beater, but is there any chance he's better than people give him credit for? Or are these stats just because he's playing with Clint Capela who, right now, has the best defensive plus/minus in the league? Or just by virtue of playing in the East? Or is the eye test just more important in this case?

I guess I just need to watch some Hawks games, but if Collins can be a neutral or net positive defender, replacing Bagley with him would make that starting 5 real scary offensively.

Yeah his defense is good bit better than people think but Capela has helped for sure (& visa versa). Apparently Hawks defense is great when both are on the court but falls off a good bit when one goes to the bench.....

But yeah Collins struggled on D in year 2 (coming off ankle injury & Trae’s rookie year) and everyone ran with he sucks on D. Other than that his D has been average/good and improved again this year.

[BoogieTime]

As I said in the game thread I now fault McNair every game Joseph and whiteside are still in the rotation

Walton won’t stop by himself

He has to move them if the intent is to compete this year. But maybe it isn’t

[NYG]

If the Knicks tried getting Hield, what’s the minimum offer they need to come in with?