2021-22 General Thread

[BoogieTime]

I think I've painted the economic picture of this ownership and how it relates to win now moves, but aside from the fact that they are not big pocketed (save the Jacobs), and have been hit with covid financially - kings and other downtown projects, this:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kings-agreed-to-phase-out-revenue-sharing-to-keep-team-in-sacramento/

This is still hanging over the head of the franchise

In order to keep the team in Sacramento, this ownership had to forfeit revenue sharing, which tanking small market teams have received

I would say this is something more about the Governorship will bring in more and more. I don’t think this is Sacramento specific as much as it’s NBA specific.
Which is not great for smaller markets


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It looks Sacramento specific, and a deal with the devil to keep the Kings here IMO. I'd like to know if there is a single other team phased out of revenue sharing

[LightTheBeam]

I was just listening to Monte's press conference. He mentioned Josh Jacksons defense a few times, specifically "that's where he hangs his hat".

I never looked at Jackson as a positive defender, but what the hell do I know. I watch 2 Pistons games a year.

Raptor has him rated as a plus defender 3 of the last 4 years.
BR isn't as friendly, he only has a +DBMP in 1 season (the Memphis season, 22 games)

We know hes athletic, but hes not a good offensive player, can't shoot, turns it over too much. I kinda figured he wasn't going to see the floor in Sac because we have Fox, Mitchell, Holiday, Lamb, DDV, Barnes all soaking up minutes 1-3.

What are your guys thoughts on him?

[sacking123]

I think I've painted the economic picture of this ownership and how it relates to win now moves, but aside from the fact that they are not big pocketed (save the Jacobs), and have been hit with covid financially - kings and other downtown projects, this:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kings-agreed-to-phase-out-revenue-sharing-to-keep-team-in-sacramento/

This is still hanging over the head of the franchise

In order to keep the team in Sacramento, this ownership had to forfeit revenue sharing, which tanking small market teams have received

I would say this is something more about the Governorship will bring in more and more. I don’t think this is Sacramento specific as much as it’s NBA specific.
Which is not great for smaller markets


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It looks Sacramento specific, and a deal with the devil to keep the Kings here IMO. I'd like to know if there is a single other team phased out of revenue sharing

What I get from it is this might just be something that is looked at in the future. It would be disappointing if other teams get sold that this isn’t instituted


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[KF10]

I was just listening to Monte's press conference. He mentioned Josh Jacksons defense a few times, specifically "that's where he hangs his hat".

I never looked at Jackson as a positive defender, but what the hell do I know. I watch 2 Pistons games a year.

Raptor has him rated as a plus defender 3 of the last 4 years.
BR isn't as friendly, he only has a +DBMP in 1 season (the Memphis season, 22 games)

We know hes athletic, but hes not a good offensive player, can't shoot, turns it over too much. I kinda figured he wasn't going to see the floor in Sac because we have Fox, Mitchell, Holiday, Lamb, DDV, Barnes all soaking up minutes 1-3.

What are your guys thoughts on him?

I was really high on Josh Jackson when he was in college. The last 4 years for him is a disappointment. At this point, I'm glad we get a look. If he doesn't turn out well, he will be let go after this season. If he shows promise, I wouldn't be oppose offering him a small contract.

Low risk, high reward.

[sacking123]

I was just listening to Monte's press conference. He mentioned Josh Jacksons defense a few times, specifically "that's where he hangs his hat".

I never looked at Jackson as a positive defender, but what the hell do I know. I watch 2 Pistons games a year.

Raptor has him rated as a plus defender 3 of the last 4 years.
BR isn't as friendly, he only has a +DBMP in 1 season (the Memphis season, 22 games)

We know hes athletic, but hes not a good offensive player, can't shoot, turns it over too much. I kinda figured he wasn't going to see the floor in Sac because we have Fox, Mitchell, Holiday, Lamb, DDV, Barnes all soaking up minutes 1-3.

What are your guys thoughts on him?

I was really high on Josh Jackson when he was in college. The last 4 years for him is a disappointment. At this point, I'm glad we get a look. If he doesn't turn out well, he will be let go after this season. If he shows promise, I wouldn't be oppose offering him a small contract.

Low risk, high reward.

I liked him in the draft (Fox was my first pick) but not as high as he went. I was fooled.
Interesting to see Lyles and DDV have been put over to the Kings roster/salary on BR, but JJ hasn't.

[rpa]

I was really high on Josh Jackson when he was in college. The last 4 years for him is a disappointment. At this point, I'm glad we get a look. If he doesn't turn out well, he will be let go after this season. If he shows promise, I wouldn't be oppose offering him a small contract.

Low risk, high reward.

I was high on him at first before finding out that he was at least a year older than most people in his age group (he turned 20 his freshman year in college). The point being: most of his potential was based on how well he did in high school (since he was just OK at KU), but he did so being far more physically developed than his peers. Shabazz Muhammad was the poster child for this (also turned 20 his freshman year) and we saw how that one turned out.

[LightTheBeam]

What do you guys think about waiving Jackson and bringing in Tyreke?

I'm sure a contender will probably grab him and be able to offer a bigger role, but Id give him a 10 day.

He was a fan favorite so could bring some more excitement, has good size, can pass, shooting was improving, can handle.

Maybe its a bad idea with this new found "culture" but I've always been a Tyreke fan!

[KF10]

I was really high on Josh Jackson when he was in college. The last 4 years for him is a disappointment. At this point, I'm glad we get a look. If he doesn't turn out well, he will be let go after this season. If he shows promise, I wouldn't be oppose offering him a small contract.

Low risk, high reward.

I was high on him at first before finding out that he was at least a year older than most people in his age group (he turned 20 his freshman year in college). The point being: most of his potential was based on how well he did in high school (since he was just OK at KU), but he did so being far more physically developed than his peers. Shabazz Muhammad was the poster child for this (also turned 20 his freshman year) and we saw how that one turned out.

The hope is that Jackson can bring tough defense and some scoring. I'm willing to see what he can bring to this team. Just turned 25 a couple of days ago.

[KF10]

What do you guys think about waiving Jackson and bringing in Tyreke?

I'm sure a contender will probably grab him and be able to offer a bigger role, but Id give him a 10 day.

He was a fan favorite so could bring some more excitement, has good size, can pass, shooting was improving, can handle.

Maybe its a bad idea with this new found "culture" but I've always been a Tyreke fan!

I have always been a Tyrese fan as well.

I really thought he was pretty decent in his last stint with the Kings. He was very good in Memphis.

Worth a shot, imo.

[sacking123]

Thought I would put this in the General Thread.
One thing about not only this trade deadline, but Monte's tenure at the Kings overall is that he, IMO, has shown he has the ability to put fitting pieces together and not be rushed into forcing a trade.
Now, it's only a small sample size, but a GM that goes after a guy (DDV), the deal falls through and then trades for him again just after he comes back from injury and looks like a good glue piece, he not only likes that player, but he has a role for him in mind.
This isn't about the DDV get, it's the way this core is coming together, and IMO it signals early signs of Monte being a good GM. I put more stock into it if he is doing all this with Vivek pushing a certain path.

Watch Monte sign DDV, extend Sabonis this off-season, both for under-market value.

[BoogieTime]

Thought I would put this in the General Thread.
One thing about not only this trade deadline, but Monte's tenure at the Kings overall is that he, IMO, has shown he has the ability to put fitting pieces together and not be rushed into forcing a trade.
Now, it's only a small sample size, but a GM that goes after a guy (DDV), the deal falls through and then trades for him again just after he comes back from injury and looks like a good glue piece, he not only likes that player, but he has a role for him in mind.
This isn't about the DDV get, it's the way this core is coming together, and IMO it signals early signs of Monte being a good GM. I put more stock into it if he is doing all this with Vivek pushing a certain path.

Watch Monte sign DDV, extend Sabonis this off-season, both for under-market value.

Sabonis is getting max

[kalenclayton]

Thought I would put this in the General Thread.
One thing about not only this trade deadline, but Monte's tenure at the Kings overall is that he, IMO, has shown he has the ability to put fitting pieces together and not be rushed into forcing a trade.
Now, it's only a small sample size, but a GM that goes after a guy (DDV), the deal falls through and then trades for him again just after he comes back from injury and looks like a good glue piece, he not only likes that player, but he has a role for him in mind.
This isn't about the DDV get, it's the way this core is coming together, and IMO it signals early signs of Monte being a good GM. I put more stock into it if he is doing all this with Vivek pushing a certain path.

Watch Monte sign DDV, extend Sabonis this off-season, both for under-market value.

Sabonis is getting max

If he extends at a “max”, isn’t that lower than if he waited until FA? Just curious.

[BoogieTime]

Thought I would put this in the General Thread.
One thing about not only this trade deadline, but Monte's tenure at the Kings overall is that he, IMO, has shown he has the ability to put fitting pieces together and not be rushed into forcing a trade.
Now, it's only a small sample size, but a GM that goes after a guy (DDV), the deal falls through and then trades for him again just after he comes back from injury and looks like a good glue piece, he not only likes that player, but he has a role for him in mind.
This isn't about the DDV get, it's the way this core is coming together, and IMO it signals early signs of Monte being a good GM. I put more stock into it if he is doing all this with Vivek pushing a certain path.

Watch Monte sign DDV, extend Sabonis this off-season, both for under-market value.

Sabonis is getting max

If he extends at a “max”, isn’t that lower than if he waited until FA? Just curious.

I believe it would be based off his current underpaid amount, in that case not seeing an extension

[sacking123]

Sabonis is getting max

If he extends at a “max”, isn’t that lower than if he waited until FA? Just curious.

I believe it would be based off his current underpaid amount, in that case not seeing an extension

So you don't believe Sabonis will sign an extension prior to his contract expiring?

[BoogieTime]

If he extends at a “max”, isn’t that lower than if he waited until FA? Just curious.

I believe it would be based off his current underpaid amount, in that case not seeing an extension

So you don't believe Sabonis will sign an extension prior to his contract expiring?

Unless I'm misinformed on how the cap works, I wouldnt think so (not my strong suit either). From what I understand, from where he is in his career, it would start with incremental raises from his ~19 mil contract, which would significantly undervalue him.

Maybe someone knows more

[sacking123]

I believe it would be based off his current underpaid amount, in that case not seeing an extension

So you don't believe Sabonis will sign an extension prior to his contract expiring?

Unless I'm misinformed on how the cap works, I wouldnt think so (not my strong suit either). From what I understand, from where he is in his career, it would start with incremental raises from his ~19 mil contract, which would significantly undervalue him.

Maybe someone knows more

Nor is it my strong suit.
But as I understand it, he can sign an extension this off season to a max of 5 years with the 2 remaining staying.
So in essence he would be adding 3 years. As a vet extension, he can sign for 120% of his final year's salary with up to 8% raises.
I'm not sure if he will sign it straight away, but after next season it would still be in his interests to sign. He could gamble on UFA, but if he is looking to make a home etc, etc, I think he will prioritize being locked up long term.

Now as mentioned this isn't a strong suit, but from what I read below:

Extensions of Veteran Contracts —

Regular Extensions — Unless a veteran’s contract is going to be extended during the last season of his contract, the extension can only be negotiated and entered into during the off-season (i.e., July 1 to the day before the regular season).

A regular extension of a veteran’s contract may cover 5 years (including the years remaining on the original contract when the extension is signed).

The player’s salary in the first year of the extension may be up to the greater of: (i) 120% of the player’s salary in the last year of the original contract, and (ii) 120% of the estimated average player salary in the year the extension is signed. Salary may increase (or decrease) in the extended term by up to 8% (instead of 5%) of the salary in the first year of the extension.

So if he signs an extension this off season say for 5 years:
18,562,500
19,937,500
21,312,500
25,575,000
27,621,000

Or if he signs for 5 years after next season:
$21,312,500.00
$25,575,000.00
$27,621,000.00
$29,830,680.00
$32,217,134.00

Or he can get a lot more going into UFA.

[sacking123]

Or perhaps via renegotiation

Renegotiations are amendments to a contract that increase (and only increase) a player’s salary during the contract’s existing term. If a player renegotiates an increase to his salary, the salary in each remaining season of the contract must also be increased over the original salary. Some of the important rules relating to renegotiations are:

For each season of the contract after the renegotiation takes place, the player’s additional salary may increase or decrease by up to 8% (instead of 5%) of the increase in salary from the renegotiation season. (The year-over-year decrease is possible as long as the player’s salary in each remaining season of the contract’s existing term is still higher than the original salary.)

Limitations on Renegotiations —

A contract covering 4 or more seasons may not be renegotiated until the third anniversary of the signing of the contract;

A contract that was already renegotiated to provide for a salary increase of more than 5% or that was already extended may not be renegotiated until the third anniversary of the signing of the original renegotiation or extension; and

A contract may not be renegotiated from March 1 through June 30.

[codydaze]

Looks like Lou King is being waived. I wonder what we're doing with that roster spot, was he on a two way or a standard deal?

Edit: Looks like he was a two way guy. Strange move.

[City of Trees]

Looks like Lou King is being waived. I wonder what we're doing with that roster spot, was he on a two way or a standard deal?

Edit: Looks like he was a two way guy. Strange move.

My first thought is Ramsey or Woodard is taking that two way spot

[KF10]

What do you guys think about waiving Jackson and bringing in Tyreke?

I'm sure a contender will probably grab him and be able to offer a bigger role, but Id give him a 10 day.

He was a fan favorite so could bring some more excitement, has good size, can pass, shooting was improving, can handle.

Maybe its a bad idea with this new found "culture" but I've always been a Tyreke fan!

Will have a workout for the Bucks this week.

It would have been nice to see him in a Kings jersey one more time.