24-25 Trade Thread

[LightTheBeam]

I actually was thinking about him yesterday. Outside of 3pt shooting, DeRozan is probably better than Ingram at everything. Much more durable as well.

Trade Huerter for Beef Stew, sign DeRozan.

Fox - Monk
Keon - Carter
DeRozan - Barnes
Keegan - Lyles
Sabonis - Stewart

I really wouldn't mind this.

This adds a legit guy to the team at no cost. We get better in the short term, and can wait until Huerter/Barnes are expirings and hopefully our pick to ATL is paid to really go all in.

I'd be fine with this too. I would try to target Wendell Carter over Stewart, Orlando bringing back Goga and Mo Wagner makes it seem like Wendell might be on the way out, especially with them extending Isaac. I like his fit a lot better even though I'm a big Stewart fan.

Either one works for me.

Kyle Anderson off the board. Heading down 80 to play in GS

[Jkam31]

I'm 100% against trading Keegan or Keon.

That said, I'm also 100% against running it back like we stand now.

You can't convince me Keegan is needed in a trade for any of these guys outside of maybe stubborn Ainge with Lauri.

BI report has been they want us to find a 3rd team to send Huerter and get them a center. Huerter would have to be an extreme negative for us to not be able to pull that off.

Washington dumped Deni for 2 1sts, no shot they value Kuzma even half that. Barnes + a single first should get that done easily.

Nets clearly couldn't get a 1st for DFS during the draft. We can't get Jordi one of his vets + 2nds for DFS?

How about our MLE? Fontecchio, Okoro, Bridges, Kyle Anderson, Caleb Martin, Saddiq Freaking Bey... Just do something. Right now our backup wing is McDaniels, that's pathetic.

Monte is asleep at the wheel. Seems like FA/Trade market might be on hold since Lauri on the block was announced, I'll wait to see what happens there but if report is they want Keegan, Monte needs to leave those convos and move elsewhere ASAP.

I'm against trading Keegan but if it took Keon to get Lauri, I would do that. It would hurt but I think Lauri would raise the floor on this team quite a bit.

Give me Kyle Anderson on the MLE too, I've always been a fan of his.

Would you put Keegan back on the table if it meant getting Lauri and Kessler? Because I think I would..

Wouldn’t even entertain it what’s Kessler gonna do play 15mpg behind Sabonis this is nonsense

[BoogieTime]

Barling just pu-pud Marc Spears DeRozan report

Rumor is warriors offering podz/moody/4 picks for Lauri which post curry should look better than ours. Would need Keegan imo

[jeffjtk1234]

Keegan should be untouchable. Keon not so much.


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[FarBeyondDriven]

I'd rather trade Fox for Lauri and roll out:

Carter
Monk
Murray
Markkanen
Sabonis

it's just a more impactful move and better roster construction of players that compliment one another. We've the capable defender in Carter. The complimentary scorer/playmaker in Monk. We've got the two two-way wings in Murray and Markkanen and then Sabonis at center. It just flows so much better and makes us a more complete team

[BoogieTime]

I'd rather trade Fox for Lauri and roll out:

Carter
Monk
Murray
Markkanen
Sabonis

it's just a more impactful move and better roster construction of players that compliment one another. We've the capable defender in Carter. The complimentary scorer/playmaker in Monk. We've got the two two-way wings in Murray and Markkanen and then Sabonis at center. It just flows so much better and makes us a more complete team

Jazz either want to compete with Lauri or, now, most likely rebuild. They want to tank

[BoogieTime]

Going after DeRozan seems to be admitting defeat on multiple trade fronts. Adding salary making renegotiate/extend less likely with Lauri and would you need Ingram in that scenario?

I actually was thinking about him yesterday. Outside of 3pt shooting, DeRozan is probably better than Ingram at everything. Much more durable as well.

Trade Huerter for Beef Stew, sign DeRozan.

Fox - Monk
Keon - Carter
DeRozan - Barnes
Keegan - Lyles
Sabonis - Stewart

I really wouldn't mind this.

This adds a legit guy to the team at no cost. We get better in the short term, and can wait until Huerter/Barnes are expirings and hopefully our pick to ATL is paid to really go all in.

For whatever reason there seems to be an urgency this summer. Either with Fox's extension stuff or the Kings know something about how the future trade/talent landscape will play out with the rising cap that puts more onus on this summer

[LightTheBeam]

I actually was thinking about him yesterday. Outside of 3pt shooting, DeRozan is probably better than Ingram at everything. Much more durable as well.

Trade Huerter for Beef Stew, sign DeRozan.

Fox - Monk
Keon - Carter
DeRozan - Barnes
Keegan - Lyles
Sabonis - Stewart

I really wouldn't mind this.

This adds a legit guy to the team at no cost. We get better in the short term, and can wait until Huerter/Barnes are expirings and hopefully our pick to ATL is paid to really go all in.

For whatever reason there seems to be an urgency this summer. Either with Fox's extension stuff or the Kings know something about how the future trade/talent landscape will play out with the rising cap that puts more onus on this summer

Well it's pretty clear that's the case. Last summer we were coming off a 3rd seed, and nearly made it to the 2nd round. Huerter came off a good year (bad postseason) and the team was content running it back expecting internal improvement.

This year we missed the postseason completely. Spurs have Wemby up and coming, Minnesota/OKC/Dallas have taken massive leaps. Houston is on our tails, Pelicans owned us and just got better, Memphis developed several wings and now expects to be fully healthy all season.

This current team won't cut it. IMO

Dallas, OKC, Memphis, Minnesota, Denver, Pelicans, are clearly ahead of us.
Strong argument that healthy suns/Clippers are as well.
We are in some group with LAL, Warriors but they both have top 10 guys that we don't.

And if we don't do something quickly Houston and Spurs could surprise us.

[OxAndFox]

Yep. The West isn't going to get any easier. Just different jerseys.

[FarBeyondDriven]

This adds a legit guy to the team at no cost. We get better in the short term, and can wait until Huerter/Barnes are expirings and hopefully our pick to ATL is paid to really go all in.

For whatever reason there seems to be an urgency this summer. Either with Fox's extension stuff or the Kings know something about how the future trade/talent landscape will play out with the rising cap that puts more onus on this summer

Well it's pretty clear that's the case. Last summer we were coming off a 3rd seed, and nearly made it to the 2nd round. Huerter came off a good year (bad postseason) and the team was content running it back expecting internal improvement.

This year we missed the postseason completely. Spurs have Wemby up and coming, Minnesota/OKC/Dallas have taken massive leaps. Houston is on our tails, Pelicans owned us and just got better, Memphis developed several wings and now expects to be fully healthy all season.

This current team won't cut it. IMO

Dallas, OKC, Memphis, Minnesota, Denver, Pelicans, are clearly ahead of us.
Strong argument that healthy suns/Clippers are as well.
We are in some group with LAL, Warriors but they both have top 10 guys that we don't.

And if we don't do something quickly Houston and Spurs could surprise us.

what sucks is because of how flawed and limited our stars are we'll remain too good to get a top draft pick but too bad to ever make a deep playoff run so we'll be stuck. The only escape would be to truly embrace the tank with a G.M. that knows how to draft, wheel and deal for draft picks and tradable assets and an owner that understood and supported this direction.

This would require us to make unpopular moves like trading Fox and Sabonis so it'll never happen. I guess I can't blame them really. They need fans in the seats and it's hard to do when going through a rebuild especially since this fanbase doesn't and shouldn't trust there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. But that's the G.M.s job to communicate that to the fans and I know if we had faith in the G.M. to do it right we'd understand and support the home-grown talent by going to games and watching these kids develop over the years.

[BoogieTime]

Read on Twitter

As expected, might take us out of the Lauri bidding though.

Concerning that it says 'star level' players in general though

[LightTheBeam]

Read on Twitter

As expected, might take us out of the Lauri bidding though.

Concerning that it says 'star level' players in general though

I hope this is true, but PTSD to Haliburton. They said the same damn thing.

[LightTheBeam]

My expectations drop daily.

At this point I'll be content with a crappy off-season

Move Huerter to a cap space team.
Trade Barnes + Handful of 2nds for DFS
Sign Caleb Martin with the MLE.

Sigh

Fox/Monk/Carter/Keon/Colby
Keegan/DFS/Martin/Lyles/McDaniels
Sabonis/Len

At least here we should be a top 10 defensive team, and I'm still pretty confident in an offense led by Sabonis/Fox/Monk/Keegan, so it is what it is.
I'll take this as the 12 going into the season at this point. Just get Barnes/Huerter off my team tbh.

[Lost in LA]

My expectations drop daily.

At this point I'll be content with a crappy off-season

Move Huerter to a cap space team.
Trade Barnes + Handful of 2nds for DFS
Sign Caleb Martin with the MLE.

Sigh

Fox/Monk/Carter/Keon/Colby
Keegan/DFS/Martin/Lyles/McDaniels
Sabonis/Len

At least here we should be a top 10 defensive team, and I'm still pretty confident in an offense led by Sabonis/Fox/Monk/Keegan, so it is what it is.
I'll take this as the 12 going into the season at this point. Just get Barnes/Huerter off my team tbh.

If you believe in Murray, then this is better than Kuzma or taking on Ingram's money. I still think we need a real 4 on the team.

[LightTheBeam]

My expectations drop daily.

At this point I'll be content with a crappy off-season

Move Huerter to a cap space team.
Trade Barnes + Handful of 2nds for DFS
Sign Caleb Martin with the MLE.

Sigh

Fox/Monk/Carter/Keon/Colby
Keegan/DFS/Martin/Lyles/McDaniels
Sabonis/Len

At least here we should be a top 10 defensive team, and I'm still pretty confident in an offense led by Sabonis/Fox/Monk/Keegan, so it is what it is.
I'll take this as the 12 going into the season at this point. Just get Barnes/Huerter off my team tbh.

If you believe in Murray, then this is better than Kuzma or taking on Ingram's money. I still think we need a real 4 on the team.

Ya I don't disagree.

I have never been an Ingram guy, I've talked myself into him because I want Barnes/Huerter gone. But he's a guy who needs the ball to be successful, and really prefers to operate in the mid range which doesn't bode well for our team. He also isn't durable and wants a max deal. I love Lauri, but the cost doesn't seem realistic and he's a flight risk. Kuzma I've talked myself into due to contract. Grant is 30, on a massive deal, has stopped trying defensively and doesn't rebound well.

I'm still in on John Collins as well, but doesn't even seem to get brought up.

[Jkam31]

My expectations drop daily.

At this point I'll be content with a crappy off-season

Move Huerter to a cap space team.
Trade Barnes + Handful of 2nds for DFS
Sign Caleb Martin with the MLE.

Sigh

Fox/Monk/Carter/Keon/Colby
Keegan/DFS/Martin/Lyles/McDaniels
Sabonis/Len

At least here we should be a top 10 defensive team, and I'm still pretty confident in an offense led by Sabonis/Fox/Monk/Keegan, so it is what it is.
I'll take this as the 12 going into the season at this point. Just get Barnes/Huerter off my team tbh.

If you believe in Murray, then this is better than Kuzma or taking on Ingram's money. I still think we need a real 4 on the team.

Ya I don't disagree.

I have never been an Ingram guy, I've talked myself into him because I want Barnes/Huerter gone. But he's a guy who needs the ball to be successful, and really prefers to operate in the mid range which doesn't bode well for our team. He also isn't durable and wants a max deal. I love Lauri, but the cost doesn't seem realistic and he's a flight risk. Kuzma I've talked myself into due to contract. Grant is 30, on a massive deal, has stopped trying defensively and doesn't rebound well.

I'm still in on John Collins as well, but doesn't even seem to get brought up.

Everybody doesn’t need to be a three point shooter guys a 20/5/5 with length we’d need his offense in the playoffs to compete

[LightTheBeam]

If you believe in Murray, then this is better than Kuzma or taking on Ingram's money. I still think we need a real 4 on the team.

Ya I don't disagree.

I have never been an Ingram guy, I've talked myself into him because I want Barnes/Huerter gone. But he's a guy who needs the ball to be successful, and really prefers to operate in the mid range which doesn't bode well for our team. He also isn't durable and wants a max deal. I love Lauri, but the cost doesn't seem realistic and he's a flight risk. Kuzma I've talked myself into due to contract. Grant is 30, on a massive deal, has stopped trying defensively and doesn't rebound well.

I'm still in on John Collins as well, but doesn't even seem to get brought up.

Everybody doesn’t need to be a three point shooter guys a 20/5/5 with length we’d need his offense in the playoffs to compete

Assuming you are talking Ingram? Pelicans were better without him. Not saying that's direct match to Sac. I just don't think that kind of player is really needed for us. He's a high usage guy who is essentially going to duplicate what Fox does just from the wing and worse. He's not a complimentary player hence why Pelicans are willing to move on from him. Not even against him, just against the idea that this kind of player is worth 40+ mil a year and sacrificing multiple firsts. I'd still take him over the current roster, but I'm not pumped about it.

For instance, DeRozan is basically a better version of Ingram, but he's floating around and looking at MLE offers. DeMar is older, but also much more durable. I'd take DeRozan in a S&T for Huerter over giving up multiple firsts for Ingram.

It's why Lauri is a much better fit.

Ingram has a 28-30% usage to give you 20ppg. Lauri 25% usage to give you 23-25ppg. More efficient and doesn't need the ball. Between Fox, Monk, Sabonis, Lauri is a 10x better fit.

[BoogieTime]

Ya I don't disagree.

I have never been an Ingram guy, I've talked myself into him because I want Barnes/Huerter gone. But he's a guy who needs the ball to be successful, and really prefers to operate in the mid range which doesn't bode well for our team. He also isn't durable and wants a max deal. I love Lauri, but the cost doesn't seem realistic and he's a flight risk. Kuzma I've talked myself into due to contract. Grant is 30, on a massive deal, has stopped trying defensively and doesn't rebound well.

I'm still in on John Collins as well, but doesn't even seem to get brought up.

Everybody doesn’t need to be a three point shooter guys a 20/5/5 with length we’d need his offense in the playoffs to compete

Assuming you are talking Ingram? Pelicans were better without him. Not saying that's direct match to Sac. I just don't think that kind of player is really needed for us. He's a high usage guy who is essentially going to duplicate what Fox does just from the wing and worse. He's not a complimentary player hence why Pelicans are willing to move on from him. Not even against him, just against the idea that this kind of player is worth 40+ mil a year and sacrificing multiple firsts. I'd still take him over the current roster, but I'm not pumped about it.

For instance, DeRozan is basically a better version of Ingram, but he's floating around and looking at MLE offers. DeMar is older, but also much more durable. I'd take DeRozan in a S&T for Huerter over giving up multiple firsts for Ingram.

It's why Lauri is a much better fit.

Ingram has a 28-30% usage to give you 20ppg. Lauri 25% usage to give you 23-25ppg. More efficient and doesn't need the ball. Between Fox, Monk, Sabonis, Lauri is a 10x better fit.

DeRozan is much older, and will be harder to acquire and doesn’t have any history of stretching the floor. Ingram is on timeline. They were going after Siakam too who is similar in some facets, so they seem some type of role for the talent or fit. Lauri is much better, hence more unattainable

[Lost in LA]

DeRozan is at the tail end of his career and I do not see the fit. I would prefer to have Lyles start over Barnes in most line ups as he can actually guard bigger players. As the optioms diminish it seems, it seems like Kuzma is the quick minor upgrade, but does not move the needle much. Fans, I suspect will want more.
Right now, I would say while the Clippers have regressed of the teams that finished above the Kings last year, most of the others, except Denver, have improved. The Laakers should be a bit of an unknown in their circus like environment.

[madskillz8]

My target rankings for Kings:

1 Grant (easy to acquire - rim protector PF who can average 20ppg - still in his prime - not a good rebounder but we have Sabonis)
2 Ingram (relatively easier to acquire than Markannen, adds length, very good scorer, attitude & injury issues, can walk as UFA)

...
3. Kuzma (easy to acquire (2nd after Grant), still has upside, not a real upgrade to Barnes if we are trading him)

...
4 Derozan (need sign&trade, knows his strengths, adds consistent scoring& playmaking at the expense of 3pts, overlaps with Monk)
5 Markkanen (will require haul to acquire, but I am not sure replacing Keegan with Markannen adds much wins, can walk as UFA)


Huerter + protected FRP for J.Grant will result in:
Fox/Ellis/Keegan/J.Grant/Sabonis
Carter/Monk/Barnes/Lyles/Len
+ NTPMLE if we both send Huerter + Barnes (too much IMO)
+ control of most of our future picks