2024-25 General Thread

[codydaze]

A low key great signing. He definitely has range (not necessarily 3pt), thus adding something different to our C line up. Having two similar backups were meaningless (other than having them as injury replacements). Len/McGee/Queta ...

In addition to summer league, he dominated G League big time, averaging 24/12/2 with .575/.375 shooting on 1.8 attempts per game.

While some of you think this is a decent rotation and we need Fs at all, now imagine that Keegan is going to be sidelined for say 25-30 games. Bye bye to playoffs hopes in such a competitive conference where 5th and 10th will likely be separated by 1-2 games again. As simple as that...

Thus, we just need another low key signing at F spot who can be a surprise contributor, instead of 3rd stringer. In the mold of Batum. Covington is the one first comes to mind but I don't think he has much left in the tank. Maybe Hayward but I'd rather have a better defender even if he's worse overall player than Hayward (e.g., without passing and playmaking). Achiuwa is great fit defensively but makes zero sense next to Sabonis offensively. Who else?

I think Cedi Osman is still my favorite target to round out the roster. Think he'd fit in really well with our group and is one of those type of guys that can explode on any given night.

[madskillz8]

As a 3rd stringer F, I am good with bringing KZ Okpala back for certain matchups where we will fail to stop opponent Fs again.

[madskillz8]

A low key great signing. He definitely has range (not necessarily 3pt), thus adding something different to our C line up. Having two similar backups were meaningless (other than having them as injury replacements). Len/McGee/Queta ...

In addition to summer league, he dominated G League big time, averaging 24/12/2 with .575/.375 shooting on 1.8 attempts per game.

While some of you think this is a decent rotation and we need Fs at all, now imagine that Keegan is going to be sidelined for say 25-30 games. Bye bye to playoffs hopes in such a competitive conference where 5th and 10th will likely be separated by 1-2 games again. As simple as that...

Thus, we just need another low key signing at F spot who can be a surprise contributor, instead of 3rd stringer. In the mold of Batum. Covington is the one first comes to mind but I don't think he has much left in the tank. Maybe Hayward but I'd rather have a better defender even if he's worse overall player than Hayward (e.g., without passing and playmaking). Achiuwa is great fit defensively but makes zero sense next to Sabonis offensively. Who else?

I think Cedi Osman is still my favorite target to round out the roster. Think he'd fit in really well with our group and is one of those type of guys that can explode on any given night.

Yes, I totally forgot him. He provides everything with no glaring weakness (he's not a good defender at all but Barnes wasn't as well) and can even be a solid 5th starter when needed.

[KF10]

The Robinson signing looks pretty solid for what it is.

[OxAndFox]

I've always liked Yuta Watanabe's hustle. Last season his shot completely deserted him and he just wasn't effective, but I wonder if he could be a good 12th man that gets a few minutes here and there in the dog days of the season.

[OxAndFox]

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Ya and this also defends Monte's vision for the Carter pick. His projections for style are similar to a Jrue Holiday/White/Bruce Brown, these are guards who are known for their ability to guard up. The concept IMO is that for the next 3 years Fox, Monk, Keon, DeRozan, Carter really lock up the 1-3 spots. Keegan/Lyles/Sabonis at 4/5 which means we probably need another swing 3/4. But even then we have a solid 8 man rotation locked up for the next 2 years minimum.

I am with you on Lyles, i thought the same thing. Then I looked at impact stats with lyles at the 5 and it wasn't pretty. I think having a DeRozan instead of Barnes definitely helps push the Lyles to 5 and makes it work significantly better. But time will tell.

Yes. Carter will be able to defend 1-3 and even against small ball 4s. Fox is sneaky in this regard too. He has the strength to go up against bigger guys. So all of a sudden if the Kings can go deep in the POs they have Fox, Keon, Carter and Keegan as above average to elite (I think Keegan makes a jump here and potentially Keon) defenders.
They're not on the level as the Boston guys as a group, but they're also much younger and have time to develop.
How the coaching staff integrates and mixes line ups with Monk and DDR at that stage will be interesting.

[Lost in LA]

I see the Cam Johnson rumors are starting again. I would not trade Herter for him and also take on more cap obligations

[LightTheBeam]

I see the Cam Johnson rumors are starting again. I would not trade Herter for him and also take on more cap obligations

Not a huge Cam Johnson guy, he's a younger Harrison Barnes. Doesn't rebound, doesn't defend, doesn't help against our weaknesses.

Id take him for Huerter & 2nds but not giving any 1sts for him. He's basically a SF/PF version of Huerter, but I'd trust him slightly more defensively and he can guard bigger than Huerter.

[Jkam31]

I see the Cam Johnson rumors are starting again. I would not trade Herter for him and also take on more cap obligations

Not a huge Cam Johnson guy, he's a younger Harrison Barnes. Doesn't rebound, doesn't defend, doesn't help against our weaknesses.

Id take him for Huerter & 2nds but not giving any 1sts for him. He's basically a SF/PF version of Huerter, but I'd trust him more slightly more defensively and he can guard bigger than Huerter.

Our weakness are still wing defense help and we could still use another shooter. Cam helps Al out we get an athletic wing that’s a lights out shooter and yes he is a plus defender that you’re underrating. Last year his defensive rating was 117.2 mikal Bridges was 117.9 so who knows what was going on there but he can defend. He’s also one of a few that improves us while not stunting Keegan’s growth as he isn’t ball dominant and knows his role which is important. You get a kuzma/Ingram and the fit is worse with bad defense and less shooting while guys like OG and other like defenders are unavailable.

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The floor spacing and defense with Cam/Keegan would be elite

I see the Cam Johnson rumors are starting again. I would not trade Herter for him and also take on more cap obligations

His contract isn’t a problem 23 million isn’t anything look at what guys are getting he also expected before Keegan and Sabonis get new deals]

[OxAndFox]

I see the Cam Johnson rumors are starting again. I would not trade Herter for him and also take on more cap obligations

Not a huge Cam Johnson guy, he's a younger Harrison Barnes. Doesn't rebound, doesn't defend, doesn't help against our weaknesses.

Id take him for Huerter & 2nds but not giving any 1sts for him. He's basically a SF/PF version of Huerter, but I'd trust him more slightly more defensively and he can guard bigger than Huerter.

Our weakness are still wing defense help and we could still use another shooter. Cam helps Al out we get an athletic wing that’s a lights out shooter and yes he is a plus defender that you’re underrating. Last year his defensive rating was 117.2 mikal Bridges was 117.9 so who knows what was going on there but he can defend. He’s also one of a few that improves us while not stunting Keegan’s growth as he isn’t ball dominant and knows his role which is important. You get a kuzma/Ingram and the fit is worse with bad defense and less shooting while guys like OG and other like defenders are unavailable.

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The floor spacing and defense with Cam/Keegan would be elite

I see the Cam Johnson rumors are starting again. I would not trade Herter for him and also take on more cap obligations

His contract isn’t a problem 23 million isn’t anything look at what guys are getting he also expected before Keegan and Sabonis get new deals]

You make some great points.

I don't think his contract is bad at all. The last 2 years of his deal are under 14% of the cap and quite tradeable too.

[FarBeyondDriven]

sadly, with our other moves, overpaying for Cam Johnson (first round picks and more) almost has to happen at this point. Might as well go "all in" which sadly might mean winning a single playoff series but I guess that's what fans want.

[BoogieTime]

sadly, with our other moves, overpaying for Cam Johnson (first round picks and more) almost has to happen at this point. Might as well go "all in" which sadly might mean winning a single playoff series but I guess that's what fans want.

Have you seen Monte overpaying for anything?

We’ve been in the mix for a lot of names but o think he’s been somewhat shrewd in looking for deals.

Cam or Kuz will materialize if teams asking prices are reasonable if reports of interest are true (I’m a little skeptical who defends SG in the scenarios..)

[typedrat]

Our shortage of guards might finally be over.

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[OxAndFox]

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Key word in here is SHORT.
Monte was obviously sick of signing 6'3 guys so decided to sign a 6'1 guy.

[Mirotic12]

Sasha agreed to a buy out giving up his entire 6.6 million remaining salary.

I'm curious, without that trade, would the Kings be past the first apron? If not then it's looking a little worst at this point.
Davion for Jalen doesn't matter, two bad players. but we gave up a quality 2nd for this deal.

Vezenkov's final contract numbers with Olympiacos were 5 years and €23 million euros net income, so after all taxes, union fees and dues, agent fees, etc. were paid.

The contract is reportedly equal to a 5 year $63 million NBA gross contract and the second largest contract in the history of Europe, after Nikola Mirotic's contract with Barcelona, which was equal to a 6 year $80 million gross contract in the NBA.

[OGSactownballer]

sadly, with our other moves, overpaying for Cam Johnson (first round picks and more) almost has to happen at this point. Might as well go "all in" which sadly might mean winning a single playoff series but I guess that's what fans want.

Have you seen Monte overpaying for anything?

We’ve been in the mix for a lot of names but o think he’s been somewhat shrewd in looking for deals.

Cam or Kuz will materialize if teams asking prices are reasonable if reports of interest are true (I’m a little skeptical who defends SG in the scenarios..)

I don’t even bother engaging with him anymore. He is the utter Debbie downer of this page.

You and I have had differences of opinion and arguments about what works/fits and doesn’t as have we with everyone.

But I’m dine with his constant complete and utter negativity. Like a closet Lakers fan here faking being a Kings fan.

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Damn, really wish we would have given him a deal like that.

[BoogieTime]

sadly, with our other moves, overpaying for Cam Johnson (first round picks and more) almost has to happen at this point. Might as well go "all in" which sadly might mean winning a single playoff series but I guess that's what fans want.

Have you seen Monte overpaying for anything?

We’ve been in the mix for a lot of names but o think he’s been somewhat shrewd in looking for deals.

Cam or Kuz will materialize if teams asking prices are reasonable if reports of interest are true (I’m a little skeptical who defends SG in the scenarios..)

I don’t even bother engaging with him anymore. He is the utter Debbie downer of this page.

You and I have had differences of opinion and arguments about what works/fits and doesn’t as have we with everyone.

But I’m dine with his constant complete and utter negativity. Like a closet Lakers fan here faking being a Kings fan.

ha, yes, the guy literally seems to complain in every post

If I'm posting "negatively" I'd like to think I'm objectively critiquing what is factually wrong, but maybe I can come off sometimes the same way

[KF10]

Just piggy backing on my other post at the other thread —

What do you guys think on what should the starting 5 be entering next season?

Fox & Sabonis are locks for obvious reasons. Keegan is another automatic lock as well. Same goes for DDR.

So the question is should Monk get the nod at the 2? Or should the Kings build off what Keon produced at the 2 last season?

For me, I like what Keon brings to the table at the 2 spot. Inserting Monk in an already offensively minded starting unit would be redundant, imo. Keon brings a defensive energy and general “plug & play” role that can easily be seen as a plus with the starting unit.

So, for me, I don’t mind seeing:

Fox
Keon
DDR
Keegan
Sabonis

Having Monk, Huerter & Lyles off the bench is very solid. That is a steady 8-man rotation.

[OxAndFox]

Just piggy backing on my other post at the other thread —

What do you guys think on what should the starting 5 be entering next season?

Fox & Sabonis are locks for obvious reasons. Keegan is another automatic lock as well. Same goes for DDR.

So the question is should Monk get the nod at the 2? Or should the Kings build off what Keon produced at the 2 last season?

For me, I like what Keon brings to the table at the 2 spot. Inserting Monk in an already offensively minded starting unit would be redundant, imo. Keon brings a defensive energy and general “plug & play” role that can easily be seen as a plus with the starting unit.

So, for me, I don’t mind seeing:

Fox
Keon
DDR
Keegan
Sabonis

Having Monk, Huerter & Lyles off the bench is very solid. That is a steady 8-man rotation.

Would have to agree regarding Monk and Keon. I wouldn't be completely against giving Monk the opportunity, but it feels like with DDR it would be tough to get enough shots between them all.