Kings Off-Season

[Castor_Troy]

Rather have Nwaba than Parker myself...Parker is way too slow to guard at SF.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

As I posted this morning I thought the Bulls were going to try to sign Parker.

[sacking123]

While it’s disappointing we haven’t done much during free agency there is still time. Perhaps Vlade is going to be the other big winner from a Kawhi trade.
I honestly can’t believe how things are shaking out that we aren’t in the Parker discussion. Vlade’s thoughts on Bagley have really thwarted any chance of Parker really, so let’s go get Smart. Ainge is just sitting there and he will get Smart at an absolute bargain or force Smart into the qualifying offer.
To be honest I was fine with going into the season with this roster plus/minus some small trades that won’t have an impact on playing time as I don’t want a minutes crunch happening this season, but things have fallen into the FOs laps and, at this stage anyway, they haven’t taken advantage of it. It’s almost like Vlade had this fantastic plan of having cap space in the year that most didn’t want space and it has worked out perfectly for him and then he just doesn’t know how to execute on the plan.
And as I write this Parker has signed with the Bulls. So we miss on Lavine and Parker to the same team.



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Technically it isn’t done yet. Woj says “progressing”. Things can still fall apart. Just saying. This would effectively take them off the trade market though.

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Yeah I jumped the gun a bit there!
What I was going to add is Vlade has a huge chance to gain some credibility back with the fans IMO if he demands 2022 picks when he is trading. They are going to be absolute gold. I'm seriously hoping he can find his was into a couple of 1st rounders in 2022 in facilitating Melo to Houston and/or the Kawhi trade.
This is where our focus should be right now. Currently there haven't been many 2022 picks traded, only Utah (Spurs) and I think Philly (Denver) have other teams' 2nd rounders. I'm not sure about other trades either that have restrictions that may float into 2022 either.
Now both OKC and Houston can trade 2022 1st round picks. It just so happens they are 2 of the better GMs. I just wonder how much these picks have increased in value over the last week? A mid to late 2022 1st round pick could essentially be a late lottery pick in other years and if we can somehow have 2-3 selections in the 1st round that will allow us to have so many possibilities ie upgrade current core for a superstar etc. Really is food for thought and I just wonder if GMs are going to hold onto those picks at all costs.

[BoogieTime]

Not giving up on Capela completely til the ink is dry

[sacking123]

Not giving up on Capela completely til the ink is dry

And I don't think Vlade should either. WCS sign and trade would be fantastic IMO. I wouldn't even mind an overpay because we aren't signing anyone to a decent contract.
I wonder if we could actually get both Capella and Smart?
WCS for Capella
Skal or Mason for Smart


Fox/Smart/Mason
Buddy/Shump/Temple
BB/Jackson/
Bagley/Randolph
Capella/Giles/Koufos

While the fit won't be great year one unless Bagley knocks down the outside shot (I actually think he will become an above average outside shooter, but not this season) it will grow to being a brilliant lineup.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Capela wants $100 million. We can't sign him unless we send out a contract or stretch someone. I like Capela but that's too much money and I believe Harden and Paul make him look better with their play making. So no thanks.

Sacramento fans appreciate effort and competitiveness. With that said I think we should try to sign Smart and Nwaba. Their effort would be infectious. Their defense along with Giles fire could be something. Elite guards and wings lead their teams to the playoffs in today's NBA. Having Smart and Nwaba to throw at Lilliard/McCollum, Curry/Thompson, Paul/Harden, etc. would make the Kings a team that other teams wouldn't enjoy facing. If Joerger could get his young athletes to buy in on defense with Smart and Nwaba leading them that would give our young potential offensive stars (Fox, Buddy & Bagley) time to develop. Stay competitive while continuing to get better offensively. We need to run. Getting more stops that end with defensive rebounds will allow this team to run. In recent years one of the more frustrating things for me to watch has been opposing teams torching the Kings on the perimeter with drives and threes. Smart and Nwaba would change that.

Sign them both!

[sacking123]

Capela wants $100 million. We can't sign him unless we send out a contract or stretch someone. I like Capela but that's too much money and I believe Harden and Paul make him look better with their play making. So no thanks.

Sacramento fans appreciate effort and competitiveness. With that said I think we should try to sign Smart and Nwaba. Their effort would be infectious. Their defense along with Giles fire could be something. Elite guards and wings lead their teams to the playoffs in today's NBA. Having Smart and Nwaba to throw at Lilliard/McCollum, Curry/Thompson, Paul/Harden, etc. would make the Kings a team that other teams wouldn't enjoy facing. If Joerger could get his young athletes to buy in on defense with Smart and Nwaba leading them that would give our young potential offensive stars (Fox, Buddy & Bagley) time to develop. Stay competitive while continuing to get better offensively. We need to run. Getting more stops that end with defensive rebounds will allow this team to run. In recent years one of the more frustrating things for me to watch has been opposing teams torching the Kings on the perimeter with drives and threes. Smart and Nwaba would change that.

Sign them both!

I'm at the point where I don't care what he would want, either stand pat and try and get picks or sign 1-2 of the top guys left and that's Capella or Smart. There isn't another FA out there that makes this team better next year and also has potential to improve.
Don't underestimate how good Capella would look with Bogdan. That would be something else I'm telling you.
Fox is improving too and if coach Joerger gives him the keys to run an offense around PnR and run and gun he will show the NBA he is one of the best PGs in the league.
So while Fox and Bogdan are certainly no CP3 and Harden, they would still be a very good match, Bogdan with his deep threat and Fox with his speed and how quick he turns the corner.
Vlade seems to be going for offensive guys first and foremost though so Capella and Smart seem to be not on his radar unfortunately. I just love the line ups we could have out there with Smart and Capella along with Giles and Fox defensively as well as maybe Shump.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Capela wants $100 million. We can't sign him unless we send out a contract or stretch someone. I like Capela but that's too much money and I believe Harden and Paul make him look better with their play making. So no thanks.

Sacramento fans appreciate effort and competitiveness. With that said I think we should try to sign Smart and Nwaba. Their effort would be infectious. Their defense along with Giles fire could be something. Elite guards and wings lead their teams to the playoffs in today's NBA. Having Smart and Nwaba to throw at Lilliard/McCollum, Curry/Thompson, Paul/Harden, etc. would make the Kings a team that other teams wouldn't enjoy facing. If Joerger could get his young athletes to buy in on defense with Smart and Nwaba leading them that would give our young potential offensive stars (Fox, Buddy & Bagley) time to develop. Stay competitive while continuing to get better offensively. We need to run. Getting more stops that end with defensive rebounds will allow this team to run. In recent years one of the more frustrating things for me to watch has been opposing teams torching the Kings on the perimeter with drives and threes. Smart and Nwaba would change that.

Sign them both!

I'm at the point where I don't care what he would want, either stand pat and try and get picks or sign 1-2 of the top guys left and that's Capella or Smart. There isn't another FA out there that makes this team better next year and also has potential to improve.
Don't underestimate how good Capella would look with Bogdan. That would be something else I'm telling you.
Fox is improving too and if coach Joerger gives him the keys to run an offense around PnR and run and gun he will show the NBA he is one of the best PGs in the league.
So while Fox and Bogdan are certainly no CP3 and Harden, they would still be a very good match, Bogdan with his deep threat and Fox with his speed and how quick he turns the corner.
Vlade seems to be going for offensive guys first and foremost though so Capella and Smart seem to be not on his radar unfortunately. I just love the line ups we could have out there with Smart and Capella along with Giles and Fox defensively as well as maybe Shump.

I'd be all for signing both Capela and Smart. They're both young and play defense. Capela also is a good rebounder. Again, you can't run if you aren't getting stops and defensive boards. IF and that's a huge IF we could get them both then we'd be really competitive. Capela is looking at $25 million per year and Smart $14. That's $39 million. We are $20 million short. I think the Rockets could have interest in Cauley-Stein at less than $5 million this year and maybe Temple $8 million to help with the loss of Ariza. We'd also need a sign and trade with Celtics. One sign and trade would be complicated enough, but two. We could stretch Shumpert. Is Capela worth $20 million per year more than Cauley-Stein? Capela while a good defender and rebounder and young is not an outside threat. You could say Smart isn't a great outside threat but he makes more sense in today's NBA with play making and perimeter defense. He could play the 2 on offense, SF on defense (or whoever the opponents best wing is) and also play PG when Fox rests. He'll also cost $11 million per year less than Capela.

Smart is my first choice. Plus his toughness and intensity could rub off on other guys. If you're wanting another big then Montrezl Harrell would a much cheaper option. In limited minutes he really produces and plays with great energy.

[sacking123]

Capela wants $100 million. We can't sign him unless we send out a contract or stretch someone. I like Capela but that's too much money and I believe Harden and Paul make him look better with their play making. So no thanks.

Sacramento fans appreciate effort and competitiveness. With that said I think we should try to sign Smart and Nwaba. Their effort would be infectious. Their defense along with Giles fire could be something. Elite guards and wings lead their teams to the playoffs in today's NBA. Having Smart and Nwaba to throw at Lilliard/McCollum, Curry/Thompson, Paul/Harden, etc. would make the Kings a team that other teams wouldn't enjoy facing. If Joerger could get his young athletes to buy in on defense with Smart and Nwaba leading them that would give our young potential offensive stars (Fox, Buddy & Bagley) time to develop. Stay competitive while continuing to get better offensively. We need to run. Getting more stops that end with defensive rebounds will allow this team to run. In recent years one of the more frustrating things for me to watch has been opposing teams torching the Kings on the perimeter with drives and threes. Smart and Nwaba would change that.

Sign them both!

I'm at the point where I don't care what he would want, either stand pat and try and get picks or sign 1-2 of the top guys left and that's Capella or Smart. There isn't another FA out there that makes this team better next year and also has potential to improve.
Don't underestimate how good Capella would look with Bogdan. That would be something else I'm telling you.
Fox is improving too and if coach Joerger gives him the keys to run an offense around PnR and run and gun he will show the NBA he is one of the best PGs in the league.
So while Fox and Bogdan are certainly no CP3 and Harden, they would still be a very good match, Bogdan with his deep threat and Fox with his speed and how quick he turns the corner.
Vlade seems to be going for offensive guys first and foremost though so Capella and Smart seem to be not on his radar unfortunately. I just love the line ups we could have out there with Smart and Capella along with Giles and Fox defensively as well as maybe Shump.

I'd be all for signing both Capela and Smart. They're both young and play defense. Capela also is a good rebounder. Again, you can't run if you aren't getting stops and defensive boards. IF and that's a huge IF we could get them both then we'd be really competitive. Capela is looking at $25 million per year and Smart $14. That's $39 million. We are $20 million short. I think the Rockets could have interest in Cauley-Stein at less than $5 million this year and maybe Temple $8 million to help with the loss of Ariza. We'd also need a sign and trade with Celtics. One sign and trade would be complicated enough, but two. We could stretch Shumpert. Is Capela worth $20 million per year more than Cauley-Stein? Capela while a good defender and rebounder and young is not an outside threat. You could say Smart isn't a great outside threat but he makes more sense in today's NBA with play making and perimeter defense. He could play the 2 on offense, SF on defense (or whoever the opponents best wing is) and also play PG when Fox rests. He'll also cost $11 million per year less than Capela.

Smart is my first choice. Plus his toughness and intensity could rub off on other guys. If you're wanting another big then Montrezl Harrell would a much cheaper option. In limited minutes he really produces and plays with great energy.

Yeah I completely agree it would be quite difficult to get both with S&Ts.
I wasn't sure of Capella's starting price to be honest as I thought we could get him for say 4/90-100 with a starting salary just below 20 or thereabouts. Houston only offered him 13.5 so I would go up to say 18.
That way we can sign him to an offer sheet and dare Houston to match.
As far as Smart he would be a little more difficult because once we sign someone our leverage goes out the window.
At this point I don't think Ainge wants to see him walk for nothing.
The only drawback with Smart is paying a bench guy that much is not a great idea.
The Harrell idea I also like. Wanted us to draft him actually at the time and his attitude is where WCS should be who I just don't see on our roster long term any more, he doesn't seem to want to grow as a player like these other young guys do.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Now we're back in on Jabari Parker! There is no way he signs Kings offer over Bulls. Even if we offer more money he'll pick Bulls. He's from Chicago. If by the slimmest chance he signed the Kings offer the Bucks will likely match.

Again, Smart is more obtainable and cheaper.

I'm just happy to hear Vlade and company haven't started their summer vacation.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

I'm at the point where I don't care what he would want, either stand pat and try and get picks or sign 1-2 of the top guys left and that's Capella or Smart. There isn't another FA out there that makes this team better next year and also has potential to improve.
Don't underestimate how good Capella would look with Bogdan. That would be something else I'm telling you.
Fox is improving too and if coach Joerger gives him the keys to run an offense around PnR and run and gun he will show the NBA he is one of the best PGs in the league.
So while Fox and Bogdan are certainly no CP3 and Harden, they would still be a very good match, Bogdan with his deep threat and Fox with his speed and how quick he turns the corner.
Vlade seems to be going for offensive guys first and foremost though so Capella and Smart seem to be not on his radar unfortunately. I just love the line ups we could have out there with Smart and Capella along with Giles and Fox defensively as well as maybe Shump.

I'd be all for signing both Capela and Smart. They're both young and play defense. Capela also is a good rebounder. Again, you can't run if you aren't getting stops and defensive boards. IF and that's a huge IF we could get them both then we'd be really competitive. Capela is looking at $25 million per year and Smart $14. That's $39 million. We are $20 million short. I think the Rockets could have interest in Cauley-Stein at less than $5 million this year and maybe Temple $8 million to help with the loss of Ariza. We'd also need a sign and trade with Celtics. One sign and trade would be complicated enough, but two. We could stretch Shumpert. Is Capela worth $20 million per year more than Cauley-Stein? Capela while a good defender and rebounder and young is not an outside threat. You could say Smart isn't a great outside threat but he makes more sense in today's NBA with play making and perimeter defense. He could play the 2 on offense, SF on defense (or whoever the opponents best wing is) and also play PG when Fox rests. He'll also cost $11 million per year less than Capela.

Smart is my first choice. Plus his toughness and intensity could rub off on other guys. If you're wanting another big then Montrezl Harrell would a much cheaper option. In limited minutes he really produces and plays with great energy.

Yeah I completely agree it would be quite difficult to get both with S&Ts.
I wasn't sure of Capella's starting price to be honest as I thought we could get him for say 4/90-100 with a starting salary just below 20 or thereabouts. Houston only offered him 13.5 so I would go up to say 18.
That way we can sign him to an offer sheet and dare Houston to match.
As far as Smart he would be a little more difficult because once we sign someone our leverage goes out the window.
At this point I don't think Ainge wants to see him walk for nothing.
The only drawback with Smart is paying a bench guy that much is not a great idea.
The Harrell idea I also like. Wanted us to draft him actually at the time and his attitude is where WCS should be who I just don't see on our roster long term any more, he doesn't seem to want to grow as a player like these other young guys do.

I read where Rockets offered Capela 5 years $85 million. That's $17 million per year. The Kings would have to offer max likely to get him to leave Houston. I believe that would be $26.5 million per year. That's too rich for me. He isn't a super star.

The Kings could easily get Smart. They could poison pill Celtics. Offer 4 years $56 million but $18 million first year $14 2nd year, and $12 3rd and 4th years.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Also I think Smart would start. Fox/Smart/Bogi with Buddy 6th man.

[sacking123]

I'd be all for signing both Capela and Smart. They're both young and play defense. Capela also is a good rebounder. Again, you can't run if you aren't getting stops and defensive boards. IF and that's a huge IF we could get them both then we'd be really competitive. Capela is looking at $25 million per year and Smart $14. That's $39 million. We are $20 million short. I think the Rockets could have interest in Cauley-Stein at less than $5 million this year and maybe Temple $8 million to help with the loss of Ariza. We'd also need a sign and trade with Celtics. One sign and trade would be complicated enough, but two. We could stretch Shumpert. Is Capela worth $20 million per year more than Cauley-Stein? Capela while a good defender and rebounder and young is not an outside threat. You could say Smart isn't a great outside threat but he makes more sense in today's NBA with play making and perimeter defense. He could play the 2 on offense, SF on defense (or whoever the opponents best wing is) and also play PG when Fox rests. He'll also cost $11 million per year less than Capela.

Smart is my first choice. Plus his toughness and intensity could rub off on other guys. If you're wanting another big then Montrezl Harrell would a much cheaper option. In limited minutes he really produces and plays with great energy.

Yeah I completely agree it would be quite difficult to get both with S&Ts.
I wasn't sure of Capella's starting price to be honest as I thought we could get him for say 4/90-100 with a starting salary just below 20 or thereabouts. Houston only offered him 13.5 so I would go up to say 18.
That way we can sign him to an offer sheet and dare Houston to match.
As far as Smart he would be a little more difficult because once we sign someone our leverage goes out the window.
At this point I don't think Ainge wants to see him walk for nothing.
The only drawback with Smart is paying a bench guy that much is not a great idea.
The Harrell idea I also like. Wanted us to draft him actually at the time and his attitude is where WCS should be who I just don't see on our roster long term any more, he doesn't seem to want to grow as a player like these other young guys do.

I read where Rockets offered Capela 5 years $85 million. That's $17 million per year. The Kings would have to offer max likely to get him to leave Houston. I believe that would be $26.5 million per year. That's too rich for me. He isn't a super star.

The Kings could easily get Smart. They could poison pill Celtics. Offer 4 years $56 million but $18 million first year $14 2nd year, and $12 3rd and 4th years.

Okay yeah I think that's too much. Wouldn't go near that and yes I would be more comfortable with an offer to Smart as what you have put here.

[SacKingZZZ]

Now we're back in on Jabari Parker! There is no way he signs Kings offer over Bulls. Even if we offer more money he'll pick Bulls. He's from Chicago. If by the slimmest chance he signed the Kings offer the Bucks will likely match.

Again, Smart is more obtainable and cheaper.

I'm just happy to hear Vlade and company haven't started their summer vacation.

Something tells me the Kings are really just trying to mess with the Bulls this summer.

[RIPskaterdude]

If we really wanted Capela we would have drafted Luka

[BoogieTime]

If we really wanted Capela we would have drafted Luka

Their both PFs IMO so not sure

[City of Trees]

Now we're back in on Jabari Parker! There is no way he signs Kings offer over Bulls. Even if we offer more money he'll pick Bulls. He's from Chicago. If by the slimmest chance he signed the Kings offer the Bucks will likely match.

Again, Smart is more obtainable and cheaper.

I'm just happy to hear Vlade and company haven't started their summer vacation.

Something tells me the Kings are really just trying to mess with the Bulls this summer.

Right?!

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[kalenclayton]

Now we're back in on Jabari Parker! There is no way he signs Kings offer over Bulls. Even if we offer more money he'll pick Bulls. He's from Chicago. If by the slimmest chance he signed the Kings offer the Bucks will likely match.

Again, Smart is more obtainable and cheaper.

I'm just happy to hear Vlade and company haven't started their summer vacation.

Where did you find this info?

[RIPskaterdude]

If we really wanted Capela we would have drafted Luka

Their both PFs IMO so not sure

....???

[kalenclayton]

If we really wanted Capela we would have drafted Luka

Their both PFs IMO so not sure

....???

Yeah Luka isn’t a 4 and Capela is most definitely a 5.