Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[Jkam31]

James Ham just tweeted that the Kings want Courtney Lee. Maybe that is part of the Belinelli trade that will be effective July 1? Estimates are Lee will make $12 million per year. If it's a sign and trade it would possibly create a trade exception for the Hornets.

If dozencousins rumors are true and Conley is main free agent target, whch makes sense because we need a PG, it would be an excellent summer to come away with Conley, Lee, and Ryan Anderson.

I still think we need to move McLemore and Koufos if we got Conley, Lee, and Anderson. Would also love to have Curry and Acy back. Then next offseason Curry would take over for Collison as back up PG.

Mike Conley Jr./Darren Collison/Isaiah Cousins
Courtney Lee/Seth Curry/Malachi Richardson
Rudy Gay/Omri Casspi/Caron Butler
Willie Cauley-Stein/Ryan Anderson/Quincy Acy
DeMarcus Cousins/Georgios Papagiannis/Skal Labissiere

That has to be a playoff team.

No way we get Anderson with Conley and Lee and if we did Gay must go there's not enough shots.

Our only hope and prayer at Conley is if Durant goes to the Spurs cause he ain't picking us over them.
If the spurs are out the picture we can sell Conley on:

1. Playing with DMC (best big)
2. Playing with Gay
3. Playing for his old coach
4. Also think we can sell him on our talent out side a possible big 3 (DMC, Gay, Conley). WCS, Lee, Collison, Casspi, Koufos

Other teams with pg needs

Dallas: other team he's linked too, however Dirk is old and and really don't have talent

Houston: have Harden but with D'Antoni there I doubt it

Chicago: Butler is there only real talent

Brooklyn: not going there

Orlando: Ibaka/Vuc/Fournier are there only vets. Still possible


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[RIPskaterdude]

How do you figure that we could afford Lee, Anderson AND Conley? Conley and Anderson will be looking for the max.

[City of Trees]

If I can sign Lee and Conley then I'd gladly pass on Anderson.

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[RIPskaterdude]

I'll pass on Anderson anyways. The frontcourt is too full and if we add Anderson, then Vlade needs to go. If you fill the team with frontcourt players, then other teams will know you are desperate to get rid of some and devalue their worth.

[SactoKingsFan]

Rubio is a no go for me. The Kings can't get WORSE at shooting. Not sure why they would trade both, I would guess the Wolves called about Rubio and the only name that came out of Vlades mouth was Lavine.

Rubio would be a big upgrade over Rondo and he's locked up for a few years on a very reasonable contract. The only potential issue is durability.

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[City of Trees]

Rubio is a no go for me. The Kings can't get WORSE at shooting. Not sure why they would trade both, I would guess the Wolves called about Rubio and the only name that came out of Vlades mouth was Lavine.

Rubio would be a big upgrade over Rondo and he's locked up for a few years on a very reasonable contract. The only potential issue is durability.

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Rubio may not be the best fit but he's definitely an upgrade.

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[PetrieUnderstudy]

I'm just throwing out rough numbers here but let's say Conley gets $18 million per year, and Lee and Anderson $12. That's $42 million subtract the $6 from Belinelli and we're about $36. Attempt to move Koufos and McLemore for more space gets down to $25 million. Give $3 to Curry and $2 to Acy. That's $30 million. I believe that's approximate space we'd have. I agree Conley and Lee should be top priorities. If Anderson wants too much maybe Marvin Williams as mentioned in here. I've said this multiple times, I'd also like to see Matt Barnes at veteran minimum. The guy that's going to be tough to get is Conley. Collison really screwed things up. I would've been fine rolling with him this year and resigning Curry and picking up Ish Smith.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

As many of you likely were, I was hoping #8 pick was going to Suns for Bledsoe. We would've been set at PG and could've signed Lee and Anderson. Resigned Acy and Curry. Called it a summer. I like the idea of Lee because if he's signed to 3-4 years we'd have Bogdanovic and Richardson developing to replace him. Versus Bazemore for example being younger. I'd prefer Bog and Rich mentoring behind Lee.

[RIPskaterdude]

What about if the Spurs try to get Durant and want to trade Danny Green for cap space? He would be a great SG for us

[SacKingZZZ]

James Ham just tweeted that the Kings want Courtney Lee. Maybe that is part of the Belinelli trade that will be effective July 1? Estimates are Lee will make $12 million per year. If it's a sign and trade it would possibly create a trade exception for the Hornets.

If dozencousins rumors are true and Conley is main free agent target, whch makes sense because we need a PG, it would be an excellent summer to come away with Conley, Lee, and Ryan Anderson.

I still think we need to move McLemore and Koufos if we got Conley, Lee, and Anderson. Would also love to have Curry and Acy back. Then next offseason Curry would take over for Collison as back up PG.

Mike Conley Jr./Darren Collison/Isaiah Cousins
Courtney Lee/Seth Curry/Malachi Richardson
Rudy Gay/Omri Casspi/Caron Butler
Willie Cauley-Stein/Ryan Anderson/Quincy Acy
DeMarcus Cousins/Georgios Papagiannis/Skal Labissiere

That has to be a playoff team.

Your assessment is pretty much spot on . What a couple members above fail to realize is the trade rumor situation is 100% true & accurate . Kings are very unlikely to entertain that much further if they gain confidence is signing Conley . Anderson is really iffy right now though I & most all have always wanted Anderson to be a King . Hope we can get him as well though I doubt we can get all 3 you mentioned . Only way I see we have a chance to do that is by trading Mac , Koufas & Gay & that's really iffy if we have to take alot of salary back .

Lee & Conley are 2 main targets if things fall right .

Dude, the Kings with Conley and Lee in the backcourt would be sick. No way that happens though.

Maybe that could be the stockpiling of some of the young talent? If they don't sign them they can trade their rights correct? Maybe Vlade was trying to put together a horde of assets for a sign and trade scenario.

[SacKingZZZ]

What about if the Spurs try to get Durant and want to trade Danny Green for cap space? He would be a great SG for us

That would serve him right for putting the hand up to the Kings last summer. It must be said though, he looked like garbage last season. His value is down so it might be the time to strike on a deal like that.

[K I N G S]

We're not getting anyone of significance. None of the top draftees would even work out for us or give us their medicals. The agents know what's up and they're steering players away. Probably why we had to take Papajohn.

Conley not coming here when he'll get the same offers from functional franchises. We'll end up overpaying for role players like Augustin or reclamation project like Rondo.

Tell me who the big free agents are we gonna sign?

You're right, we're not going to make a splash in FA. Our best chance to bring someone of significance in is via trade. However, should we look to burn our assets before the rest of the league has gone through free agency and before teams are more willing and perhaps desperate to improve their roster?

There will be winners and losers in FA. The winners might be more willing to make trades to build around their new acquisitions. The losers might be more willing to shake up their rosters in an effort to make some improvements. The King's FO just turned Belli and #8 into 4 young prospects (5 with lil cuz) with strong potential upside for any team willing to develop them. This was after losing out on the players they were truly interested in. It's called making lemonade out of lemons.

I think we can afford to be a little more patient and see what happens with free agency before making a move. Neither I nor anyone else knows whats going to happen next. I for one have NEVER been a fan of trying to improve the team through the draft but am finding this one fascinating. I'm particularly enjoying all the "sky is falling" comments on this thread. Please don't stop the pitchfork and torch waving on my account.

My concern with waiting until next year is that some of our potential trade partners will have already gotten a big man. If the Lakers were to get Whiteside then they won't be interested in trading Russell/Ingram for DMC. I don't know if we have a more ideal trade partner right now than the Lakers, as much as it would suck to trade him in our division. I don't really care for the Celtics assets very much tbh.

[yosemiteben]

Lee & Conley are 2 main targets if things fall right .

Care to comment on the possibility of a CLee S&T as part of a broader CHA - SAC trade?

[jeffjtk1234]

Lee & Conley are 2 main targets if things fall right .

Care to comment on the possibility of a CLee S&T as part of a broader CHA - SAC trade?

I have 0 inside sources, but I see this as a legit possibility.


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[PaKwAn]

doesn't Lee have to agree if he wants to go to sac and the money part for that to happen?

[City of Trees]

doesn't Lee have to agree if he wants to go to sac and the money part for that to happen?

Yes.

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[OGSactownballer]

I'm just throwing out rough numbers here but let's say Conley gets $18 million per year, and Lee and Anderson $12. That's $42 million subtract the $6 from Belinelli and we're about $36. Attempt to move Koufos and McLemore for more space gets down to $25 million. Give $3 to Curry and $2 to Acy. That's $30 million. I believe that's approximate space we'd have. I agree Conley and Lee should be top priorities. If Anderson wants too much maybe Marvin Williams as mentioned in here. I've said this multiple times, I'd also like to see Matt Barnes at veteran minimum. The guy that's going to be tough to get is Conley. Collison really screwed things up. I would've been fine rolling with him this year and resigning Curry and picking up Ish Smith.

There are some other scenarios without gutting the bench and having to hope that a lot of teams wants our bottom rotation guys for value.

You can pick up Ryan Anderson in a S&T for Rudy Gay (fit is good both ways as Pels need a starting caliber 3 and we need a shooting starter at 4). That way you have effectively reduced his signing cost off the NEW cap level to only about 2 million.

Treat Lee the same. Marco accounts for 6 million therefore new cap cost of a Lee signing becomes only 6 million.

You can then sign Conley outright and will still have available money AND have your assets intact (KK, B Mac, etc) to we be as true depth or as pieces for future (deadline) moves as needed to make a string playoff push.

[SacKingZZZ]

Lee & Conley are 2 main targets if things fall right .

Care to comment on the possibility of a CLee S&T as part of a broader CHA - SAC trade?

I wouldn't be mad if the Kings sent someone like Ben in return. The issue is whether or not a) Lee wants to play in Sac and b) the Kings are confident they can just sign him and move on.

The Kings have space, but do they think they'll be in a position to have to create space by sending someone in return? If they think they can land a PG and Lee, or Lee and Anderson moving Ben in the deal would help the bottom line for sure. Or if they wanted to bring back Rondo as well.

[City of Trees]

Lol I visited the Bulls board to see names like Crowder, Bledsoe, and Bradley when talking about possible Taj trades.

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[OGSactownballer]

The downside when your team as a whole is more than the sum of the parts due to system.

The league is about to find out just how good a coach Tom Thibs is and Chicago is going to look really bad for it.