NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[codydaze]

Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

bro you took my one comment about how Embiid missing time helps our tank, and somehow twisted it into this idea where I'm only rooting for Philly to lose? Philly is one of many moving parts that dictates where the Kings picks fall.



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Is this response to me or city of trees ?



If it's to me the bottom line for the Kings is we have to have a lot of teams end up with better records as we are tied for 12th so even if that meant we had a worse record than the 76ers that is a good thing if it came down to it because if we do not move down in standings we are highly likely losing our pick .

Yeah, but we're going to be losing a lot of games. Philly tanking out also has no effect on us. Everyone is so close in standings we could easily fall to the 6 slot in a matter of 3-4 games.

I am basically responding to both .
I am not hung up on any Embiid comment or really anything your saying .
I get both of your points about the 76ers 2nd round pick that makes a ton of sense for that pick .

What does not make sense to me is if anyone wants to get the t op 10 pick then our bottom line in order to guarantee that pick means we need to have the 7th worst record or below that & that will be really hard .
Can it happen ? Of course but it will be hard .We need to start losing many games in a row & often where as many of the lower teams win . Again others are tanking so if you have a lot of tanking teams 76ers , knicks & others than unless you tank better you won't get there .
Maybe we will be lucky . That would be a nice change of pace considering we never really have been in the lotto as far as drafting position goes .
Again my main focus is the 1-10 protected pick with the Bulls . We I believe are guaranteed a top 10 pick if we have the 7th worst record or below that our remaining games is not as hard as other teams especially against our remaining home opponents .
I am more caring about the top 10 pick not going to Chicago than I am of swapping with Phily or worrying to hard about that 2nd round pick .
23 games is not a lot of games to lose 3 games worth of ground on a lot of teams when most of those teams are tanking when we are not exactly doing that directly .


Feb 27 Min
Mar 1 Brook
Mar 5 Utah
Mar 6 @Den
Mar 8 @SA
Mar 10 Wash
Mar 11 Den
Mar 13 Orl
Mar 15 @Pho
Mar 18 @OKC
Mar 19 @SA
Mar 22 Mil
Mar 24 @GS
Mar 26 @LAC
Mar 27 Mem
Mar 29 Utah
Mar 31 @NO
Apr 1 @Min
Apr 4 Dal
Apr 7 @LAL
Apr 9 Hou
Apr 11 Pho
Apr 12 @LAC

I see maybe 7-8 wins in the rest of the schedule. Portland, Dallas, Charlotte and Minny all likely pass us up as well as possibly Orlando. I think realistically, our pick falls in the 5-7 range. 8 at very worst and it would be safe there unless three teams jump us which is virtually impossible. New York has a chance to finish better than us too.

[dozencousins]

I don't think we will do it but I would like to see the Kings waive Aflallo & pick up L.Patterson .

Only if AA wants to roam. Don't want to piss off every guy who comes to town.

That's true but 1) I think he would rather play for a playoff team if we agreed to release him .
2) I doubt we will be looking to sign any older vets anytime soon . I think we want to keep temple & Tolliver .
I think we will be looking to do trades in the off season for Koufas & Afflalo if we retain him , Ben I am unsure about .
I think most guys we sign next year will be via draft picks , any trades & if we sign a free agent or two it will be a younger player 29 & under .

[c3j3h]

Please read again I did not exactly say that . But all you seem concerned about is the 76ers tanking . If you are wanting us to keep our top 10 pick then you should be concerned about all teams we are within 3-4 games of give or take not just the 76ers tanking .

bro you took my one comment about how Embiid missing time helps our tank, and somehow twisted it into this idea where I'm only rooting for Philly to lose? Philly is one of many moving parts that dictates where the Kings picks fall.



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Is this response to me or city of trees ?



If it's to me the bottom line for the Kings is we have to have a lot of teams end up with better records as we are tied for 12th so even if that meant we had a worse record than the 76ers that is a good thing if it came down to it because if we do not move down in standings we are highly likely losing our pick .

Yeah, but we're going to be losing a lot of games. Philly tanking out also has no effect on us. Everyone is so close in standings we could easily fall to the 6 slot in a matter of 3-4 games.

I am basically responding to both .
I am not hung up on any Embiid comment or really anything your saying .
I get both of your points about the 76ers 2nd round pick that makes a ton of sense for that pick .

What does not make sense to me is if anyone wants to get the t op 10 pick then our bottom line in order to guarantee that pick means we need to have the 7th worst record or below that & that will be really hard .
Can it happen ? Of course but it will be hard .We need to start losing many games in a row & often where as many of the lower teams win . Again others are tanking so if you have a lot of tanking teams 76ers , knicks & others than unless you tank better you won't get there .
Maybe we will be lucky . That would be a nice change of pace considering we never really have been in the lotto as far as drafting position goes .
Again my main focus is the 1-10 protected pick with the Bulls . We I believe are guaranteed a top 10 pick if we have the 7th worst record or below that our remaining games is not as hard as other teams especially against our remaining home opponents .
I am more caring about the top 10 pick not going to Chicago than I am of swapping with Phily or worrying to hard about that 2nd round pick .
23 games is not a lot of games to lose 3 games worth of ground on a lot of teams when most of those teams are tanking when we are not exactly doing that directly .


Feb 27 Min
Mar 1 Brook
Mar 5 Utah
Mar 6 @Den
Mar 8 @SA
Mar 10 Wash
Mar 11 Den
Mar 13 Orl
Mar 15 @Pho
Mar 18 @OKC
Mar 19 @SA
Mar 22 Mil
Mar 24 @GS
Mar 26 @LAC
Mar 27 Mem
Mar 29 Utah
Mar 31 @NO
Apr 1 @Min
Apr 4 Dal
Apr 7 @LAL
Apr 9 Hou
Apr 11 Pho
Apr 12 @LAC

I don't think you're getting it. The 76ers have no bearing whatsoever one whether or not the Kings will end up with a Top 10 pick. The Sixers are far enough below us in the standings that they are not going to pass us, especially not now. They just traded away Nerlens Noel and Ersan Ilyasova. Ben Simmons is out for the season, and Joel Embiid might not play another game this year. They have absolutely no affect on our pick whatsoever.

The only thing making the Sixers relevant at this point is the pick swap, and with regards to that it is important for the Sixers to LOSE as many games as possible. I think that's going to happen naturally no matter what given the events of this past week concerning the Sixers, but either way each loss they rack up is a GOOD thing for the Kings.

The teams you should be concerned about with regards to the Kings right now are NOLA, Dallas, Denver, Portland, Minnesota, New York, Orlando, and Charlotte, and to a lesser extent Milwaukee and Miami. Those are the teams that actually have a legitimate impact on where the Kings pick falls this year.

Spending 5 posts of this thread worrying about Philadelphia is completely pointless. You took a completely harmless comment referring to our pick swap situation out of context and ran wild with it.

[dozencousins]

bro you took my one comment about how Embiid missing time helps our tank, and somehow twisted it into this idea where I'm only rooting for Philly to lose? Philly is one of many moving parts that dictates where the Kings picks fall.



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Yeah, but we're going to be losing a lot of games. Philly tanking out also has no effect on us. Everyone is so close in standings we could easily fall to the 6 slot in a matter of 3-4 games.

I am basically responding to both .
I am not hung up on any Embiid comment or really anything your saying .
I get both of your points about the 76ers 2nd round pick that makes a ton of sense for that pick .

What does not make sense to me is if anyone wants to get the t op 10 pick then our bottom line in order to guarantee that pick means we need to have the 7th worst record or below that & that will be really hard .
Can it happen ? Of course but it will be hard .We need to start losing many games in a row & often where as many of the lower teams win . Again others are tanking so if you have a lot of tanking teams 76ers , knicks & others than unless you tank better you won't get there .
Maybe we will be lucky . That would be a nice change of pace considering we never really have been in the lotto as far as drafting position goes .
Again my main focus is the 1-10 protected pick with the Bulls . We I believe are guaranteed a top 10 pick if we have the 7th worst record or below that our remaining games is not as hard as other teams especially against our remaining home opponents .
I am more caring about the top 10 pick not going to Chicago than I am of swapping with Phily or worrying to hard about that 2nd round pick .
23 games is not a lot of games to lose 3 games worth of ground on a lot of teams when most of those teams are tanking when we are not exactly doing that directly .


Feb 27 Min
Mar 1 Brook
Mar 5 Utah
Mar 6 @Den
Mar 8 @SA
Mar 10 Wash
Mar 11 Den
Mar 13 Orl
Mar 15 @Pho
Mar 18 @OKC
Mar 19 @SA
Mar 22 Mil
Mar 24 @GS
Mar 26 @LAC
Mar 27 Mem
Mar 29 Utah
Mar 31 @NO
Apr 1 @Min
Apr 4 Dal
Apr 7 @LAL
Apr 9 Hou
Apr 11 Pho
Apr 12 @LAC

I don't think you're getting it. The 76ers have no bearing whatsoever one whether or not the Kings will end up with a Top 10 pick. The Sixers are far enough below us in the standings that they are not going to pass us, especially not now. They just traded away Nerlens Noel and Ersan Ilyasova. Ben Simmons is out for the season, and Joel Embiid might not play another game this year. They have absolutely no affect on our pick whatsoever.

The only thing making the Sixers relevant at this point is the pick swap, and with regards to that it is important for the Sixers to LOSE as many games as possible. I think that's going to happen naturally no matter what given the events of this past week concerning the Sixers, but either way each loss they rack up is a GOOD thing for the Kings.

The teams you should be concerned about with regards to the Kings right now are NOLA, Dallas, Denver, Portland, Minnesota, New York, Orlando, and Charlotte, and to a lesser extent Milwaukee and Miami. Those are the teams that actually have a legitimate impact on where the Kings pick falls this year.

Spending 5 posts of this thread worrying about Philadelphia is completely pointless. You took a completely harmless comment referring to our pick swap situation out of context and ran wild with it.

I understand all about the 76ers tanking . I really do .
I don't think you understand that of course if they have a worst record it is most likely better for us . However if it comes down to us keeping our top 10 pick it is possible that us having a better record than them can harm us .
If say just for argument sake we end the year with the 11th worst record and them the 10th it if the lottery balls fall true to form then we lose our pick getting the 11th pick now owed to the Bulls . If we had the 10th pick and the Bulls the 11th and the lottery goes true to form we still keep our pick but must swap with Philly for the 11th instead of the 10th .
Their are other situations were Phily having a worst record could harm us as well . I tried to explain it but obviously I did not explain it all that well .
Either way I hope all of this is for nothing and we get both picks plus an early 2nd via Phily .

[Wolfay]

It hasn't occurred to me until know that we could have two top 10 picks. It also hasn't occurred to me until now that we could have zero picks. The stakes really don't get much higher than that. We could be sitting pretty, or doomed for years. Pretty much every scenario is possible.

[JohnWillow]

It hasn't occurred to me until know that we could have two top 10 picks. It also hasn't occurred to me until now that we could have zero picks. The stakes really don't get much higher than that. We could be sitting pretty, or doomed for years. Pretty much every scenario is possible.

That's why we can't win a lot of games in this season, it would be blessing for this franchise to get two top 10 or two lottery first round picks in this deep draft.

[Silver Man]

If somehow we could sneak up high enough to lets say fourth or fifth whether its the Pelicans pick or our own I would go with Dennis Smith, and then hope Tatum or Isaac is available for our other pick.

[JohnWillow]

If somehow we could sneak up high enough to lets say fourth or fifth whether its the Pelicans pick or our own I would go with Dennis Smith, and then hope Tatum or Isaac is available for our other pick.

I will pass on Tatum. If it wasn't for me 5:38 in the morning right now, I would tell you why I would pass on him, maybe tomorrow if I have some free time after work.

[JohnWillow]

Updated thread title, assuming the Kings lose, gotta drive to the work now.

[dozencousins]

bro you took my one comment about how Embiid missing time helps our tank, and somehow twisted it into this idea where I'm only rooting for Philly to lose? Philly is one of many moving parts that dictates where the Kings picks fall.



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Yeah, but we're going to be losing a lot of games. Philly tanking out also has no effect on us. Everyone is so close in standings we could easily fall to the 6 slot in a matter of 3-4 games.

I am basically responding to both .
I am not hung up on any Embiid comment or really anything your saying .
I get both of your points about the 76ers 2nd round pick that makes a ton of sense for that pick .

What does not make sense to me is if anyone wants to get the t op 10 pick then our bottom line in order to guarantee that pick means we need to have the 7th worst record or below that & that will be really hard .
Can it happen ? Of course but it will be hard .We need to start losing many games in a row & often where as many of the lower teams win . Again others are tanking so if you have a lot of tanking teams 76ers , knicks & others than unless you tank better you won't get there .
Maybe we will be lucky . That would be a nice change of pace considering we never really have been in the lotto as far as drafting position goes .
Again my main focus is the 1-10 protected pick with the Bulls . We I believe are guaranteed a top 10 pick if we have the 7th worst record or below that our remaining games is not as hard as other teams especially against our remaining home opponents .
I am more caring about the top 10 pick not going to Chicago than I am of swapping with Phily or worrying to hard about that 2nd round pick .
23 games is not a lot of games to lose 3 games worth of ground on a lot of teams when most of those teams are tanking when we are not exactly doing that directly .


Feb 27 Min
Mar 1 Brook
Mar 5 Utah
Mar 6 @Den
Mar 8 @SA
Mar 10 Wash
Mar 11 Den
Mar 13 Orl
Mar 15 @Pho
Mar 18 @OKC
Mar 19 @SA
Mar 22 Mil
Mar 24 @GS
Mar 26 @LAC
Mar 27 Mem
Mar 29 Utah
Mar 31 @NO
Apr 1 @Min
Apr 4 Dal
Apr 7 @LAL
Apr 9 Hou
Apr 11 Pho
Apr 12 @LAC

I see maybe 7-8 wins in the rest of the schedule. Portland, Dallas, Charlotte and Minny all likely pass us up as well as possibly Orlando. I think realistically, our pick falls in the 5-7 range. 8 at very worst and it would be safe there unless three teams jump us which is virtually impossible. New York has a chance to finish better than us too.

Those teams you mentioned are ones that is would be best for us if we lost against .

[JohnWillow]

Pick tracker for tonights games.
Kings record this season (25-35)

Warriors @ Wizards (not important).

Blazers (24-34) @ Pistons (very important game). Blazers are tied with us in the tankathon, they are right now 1 spot ahead of us, if Blazers beat Pistons tonight our pick becomes TOP 10.

Nuggets @ Bulls (not important I guess?) If Nuggets lose tonight we are 1 game back out of 8th spot, we will not need that haha

Suns @ Grizzlies (Not important). Suns are still gonna tank, Pelicans ain't gonna catch them if Pelicans start to lose of course. Suns are ahead of Pelicans 4.5 games in tankathon.

Jazz @ Thunder (not important).

Hornets (25-34) @ Lakers (kind a important!?!). If Hornets are gonna lose somehow tonight, we have the same season record as the Hornets.

Gonna update tomorrow morning thread title after all the games, have to go to sleep tomorrow is work.

[JohnWillow]

Meh Damian Lillard is tanking, missed the clutch free throw at the end of the 4th quarter, still our Kings pick is in 11th spot after tonight games.

[JohnWillow]

Pick tracker for tonights games.

Kings record still (25-35) 11th position in Tankathon.

Knicks (24-36) @ Magic (22-38) (very important game). Knicks are 1 game back out of Pelicans and we are 1 game back out of them, we could catch Knicks in tankathon with our lower pick right now, if we lose and they win, because likely that will happen. Orlando in tankathon right now is in the 4th place, Pelicans are 2 games away from them, but we are 3 games away from them, they will be tough to catch.

Mavericks (24-35) @ Hawks (very important game). We are 0.5 out of the 10th spot with our Kings pick and in the 10th spot is this Dallas team, they are rolling lately, so if they win tonight we can crack the top 10.

76ers @ Heat (kind a important). We will see likely a Heat win, but Philly is in front of Pelicans according to tankathon by 0.5 GB. With 76ers win, Pelicans pick can get in to the Top 5 after tonight.

Wizards @ Raptors (not important).

Cavs @ Celtics (Not important).

Nuggets @ Bucks (not important).

Pistons @ Pelicans (kind a important). Cousins I think is not playing tonight, so there might be a chance, that the Pelicans lose tonight, but Pistons last night played OT @ home against Blazers, so it will be tough even without Cousins.

Pacers @ Spurs ( not important).

Timberwolves (24-36) @ Jazz (important). Would looooove to see T'wolves win tonight against Jazz, Kings are 1 GB ahead of the Timberwolves in the standings, so they win tonight we can catch them in the tankathon.

Rockets @ Clippers (not important).

If everything tonight goes our way, we can be after tonights games in the 8th place in the Tankathon, it would be huuge for us, if we win tonight against Nets, we will not drop the position in the tankathon.

[dozencousins]

I hate rooting against our team . We need the loss and they can afford the win it will not change anything for Boston's position of landing the #1 pick . We need teams to start passing us . I don't see us losing tonight but it is needed to keep our pick .

Go NY, MIA ,DALL , DEN,NO , MINN & BROOK ( I go for Nola as I don't want them slipping to far down as that is very risky for us . )
It helps us if the following teams win .

[PetrieUnderstudy]

A recent mock draft from Bleacher Report has Dennis Smith Jr. going to the Kings with the 6th pick. I'd be super excited if we could get Smith. That would address our PG of the future. Say with the 10th pick we take Miles Bridges and with the 35th pick take Semi Ojeleye. Try someway to get an additional pick and draft Marcus Keene. That would be a phenomenal draft. Potentially the best in Sacramento history.

Don't sign any free agents. I'd look into retaining 1 of 3 veteran PG's on current roster (Collison, Lawson or Evans) to help mentor young PG's. Lawson would probably be most affordable and willing to come off bench. The Kings would be way under the cap and be able to gain picks and assets like the 76ers have done by facilitating trades and taking on contracts. I'd like to see Joerger push the pace and be a running team with all the young athletes.

Go through growing pains next year with line-up of...

PG Dennis Smith Jr./Ty Lawson/Marcus Keene
SG Buddy Hield/Garrett Temple/Ben McLemore
SF Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson/Miles Bridges
PF Skal Labissiere/Semi Ojeleye/Anthony Tolliver
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

This roster may win 25 games unless the young guys make a huge jump. Hopefully with a top 2018 draft pick and Free Agent signings where needed this team is ready to be in the playoffs in 2018-19. This is best cast scenario.

[JohnWillow]

A recent mock draft from Bleacher Report has Dennis Smith Jr. going to the Kings with the 6th pick. I'd be super excited if we could get Smith. That would address our PG of the future. Say with the 10th pick we take Miles Bridges and with the 35th pick take Semi Ojeleye. Try someway to get an additional pick and draft Marcus Keene. That would be a phenomenal draft. Potentially the best in Sacramento history.

Don't sign any free agents. I'd look into retaining 1 of 3 veteran PG's on current roster (Collison, Lawson or Evans) to help mentor young PG's. Lawson would probably be most affordable and willing to come off bench. The Kings would be way under the cap and be able to gain picks and assets like the 76ers have done by facilitating trades and taking on contracts. I'd like to see Joerger push the pace and be a running team with all the young athletes.

Go through growing pains next year with line-up of...

PG Dennis Smith Jr./Ty Lawson/Marcus Keene
SG Buddy Hield/Garrett Temple/Ben McLemore
SF Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson/Miles Bridges
PF Skal Labissiere/Semi Ojeleye/Anthony Tolliver
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

This roster may win 25 games unless the young guys make a huge jump. Hopefully with a top 2018 draft pick and Free Agent signings where needed this team is ready to be in the playoffs in 2018-19. This is best cast scenario.

You are not concerned about that Dennis Smith Jr. had a torn ACL?

And there is a rumour, that Miles Bridges will stay in the college for the next year.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

A recent mock draft from Bleacher Report has Dennis Smith Jr. going to the Kings with the 6th pick. I'd be super excited if we could get Smith. That would address our PG of the future. Say with the 10th pick we take Miles Bridges and with the 35th pick take Semi Ojeleye. Try someway to get an additional pick and draft Marcus Keene. That would be a phenomenal draft. Potentially the best in Sacramento history.

Don't sign any free agents. I'd look into retaining 1 of 3 veteran PG's on current roster (Collison, Lawson or Evans) to help mentor young PG's. Lawson would probably be most affordable and willing to come off bench. The Kings would be way under the cap and be able to gain picks and assets like the 76ers have done by facilitating trades and taking on contracts. I'd like to see Joerger push the pace and be a running team with all the young athletes.

Go through growing pains next year with line-up of...

PG Dennis Smith Jr./Ty Lawson/Marcus Keene
SG Buddy Hield/Garrett Temple/Ben McLemore
SF Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson/Miles Bridges
PF Skal Labissiere/Semi Ojeleye/Anthony Tolliver
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

This roster may win 25 games unless the young guys make a huge jump. Hopefully with a top 2018 draft pick and Free Agent signings where needed this team is ready to be in the playoffs in 2018-19. This is best cast scenario.

You are not concerned about that Dennis Smith Jr. had a torn ACL?

And there is a rumour, that Miles Bridges will stay in the college for the next year.

No I'm not concerned about his ACL. Seems to regained his explosiveness.

Watching the putrid Nets spank the Kings shows how bad this team is. None of us have to root finishing in bottom 10. This team will do that on their own.

[JohnWillow]

Updated thread title, we have our pick back after tonights game, both are TOP 10 pick now. If they both stay in TOP 10, boooooy we are gooood.

[City of Trees]

So Cousins serves his 1 game suspension and the Pelicans come away with a win

Post All-Star break with Cousins: 0-3
Post All-Star break w/out Cousins: 1-0


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[Jkam31]

So Cousins serves his 1 game suspension and the Pelicans come away with a win

Post All-Star break with Cousins: 0-3
Post All-Star break w/out Cousins: 1-0


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