Kings Off-Season

[kingjawn100]

The key thing about Willie is we have Giles coming next year and if rumors are true Willie becomes redundant. This summer is the time to trade him for a good wing. Even if we have to take salary back. Willie won’t/can’t be a backup where Skal might. The ideal would be getting Otto Porter for Willie but we will have to add 7 (not ideal) or take dead money like Mahinni.

Serious question...what rumors have the Kings/media covering the kings actually put out there about Harry? I hear the complaints a lot that the Kings are making it out to seem like Harry is dominating practices and is the 2nd coming of C-Web and all i really find are a couple articles quoting players saying he's one of our best passers and a good screener, one video of a block/goaltend and people saying he's a great kid.

It sounds like most of the Harry hype isn't coming from the Kings or people covering the Kings but just fans who haven't seen him playing. Maybe there's something i'm missing?

[BoogieTime]

The key thing about Willie is we have Giles coming next year and if rumors are true Willie becomes redundant. This summer is the time to trade him for a good wing. Even if we have to take salary back. Willie won’t/can’t be a backup where Skal might. The ideal would be getting Otto Porter for Willie but we will have to add 7 (not ideal) or take dead money like Mahinni.

Serious question...what rumors have the Kings/media covering the kings actually put out there about Harry? I hear the complaints a lot that the Kings are making it out to seem like Harry is dominating practices and is the 2nd coming of C-Web and all i really find are a couple articles quoting players saying he's one of our best passers and a good screener, one video of a block/goaltend and people saying he's a great kid.

It sounds like most of the Harry hype isn't coming from the Kings or people covering the Kings but just fans who haven't seen him playing. Maybe there's something i'm missing?

Sactownroyalty (Blake Ellington I think) put out a piece with several of his teammates giving good reviews of what they see in practice. With that said, if Sactownroyalty posed the question about how Giles looked like to his teammates I’m not sure if they could’ve answered it differently, as it’s rather perfunctory to prop teammates IMHO, and will await making any judgement until I see him produce with my eyes

As I’ve said, would be really great to see him move and skills in some recent videos

[kingjawn100]

The key thing about Willie is we have Giles coming next year and if rumors are true Willie becomes redundant. This summer is the time to trade him for a good wing. Even if we have to take salary back. Willie won’t/can’t be a backup where Skal might. The ideal would be getting Otto Porter for Willie but we will have to add 7 (not ideal) or take dead money like Mahinni.

Serious question...what rumors have the Kings/media covering the kings actually put out there about Harry? I hear the complaints a lot that the Kings are making it out to seem like Harry is dominating practices and is the 2nd coming of C-Web and all i really find are a couple articles quoting players saying he's one of our best passers and a good screener, one video of a block/goaltend and people saying he's a great kid.

It sounds like most of the Harry hype isn't coming from the Kings or people covering the Kings but just fans who haven't seen him playing. Maybe there's something i'm missing?

Sactownroyalty (Blake Ellington I think) put out a piece with several of his teammates giving good reviews of what they see in practice. With that said, if Sactownroyalty posed the question about how Giles looked like to his teammates I’m not sure if they could’ve answered it differently, as it’s rather perfunctory to prop teammates IMHO, and will await making any judgement until I see him produce with my eyes

As I’ve said, would be really great to see him move and skills in some recent videos

I remember reading that and thinking, the most praiseworthy thing in there was that he's our best passing big and looks healthy. All compliments but somehow that turned into "why is KINGS MANAGEMENT/PR over-hyping this poor guy so much..they are just setting him up for failure".

To your point if you ask Bogi or Fox how their friend Harry is looking what do they expect them to say? "he's ok but not nba ready"?

My high-end expectation for him is Kosta Kufous level production by the end of 2019-2020. This first year to me is almost a total wash. I honestly just want to see him play the entire season without injury, even if he struggles. Then you could look at real stat-based expectations for the year after. I wonder if it would make sense to play him in the G-league the first half of the year and then bring him up around the all-star break once he's confident/conditioned. One of his issues at duke was that it was hard to get confidence in his knee when he was only playing 11 minutes a night.

Summer League will be interesting.

[BoogieTime]

Would be really great if one of Iman/Temple/Koufos turned down their options. I still consider it a 45% chance one will. Temple, minimal chance. Iman even more so, but he did talk about missing the playoffs on social media. Kosta though has made some money and is solid and may want to go to a winning culture and secure ~5 long term than opt for the 8.7 here

[kingjawn100]

Would be really great if one of Iman/Temple/Koufos turned down their options. I still consider it a 45% chance one will. Temple, minimal chance. Iman even more so, but he did talk about missing the playoffs on social media. Kosta though has made some money and is solid and may want to go to a winning culture and secure ~5 long term than opt for the 8.7 here

Yeah if the objective is getting Harry minutes right away Kosta opting out would def help. Especially if we draft a big man that's just a crazy log jam where Harry may have to be in G-league until a midseason trade happens. What do we really do with say.. Kosta/Bamba/WCS/ZBo/Skal/Harry? 6 guys for 2 positions.

The more i think about it the more i think the kings will just go conservative in the draft and take the best fully healthy SF available (either Bridges or Knox). This at least creates some roster balance. Drafting a big man or a guard would create major minutes issues. Not an approach i agree with, just a hunch that's how they're approaching this.

I just don't think any of the SF's are a massive upgrade over JJ, which would put us at 25 ish wins again, without a first round pick.

[BoogieTime]

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram, but I could see them trying to package Kuzma to unload Deng if they absolutely needed cap, which I wouldn’t do

[kalenclayton]

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram, but I could see them trying to package Kuzma to unload Deng if they absolutely needed cap, which I wouldn’t do

The only way the Kings are taking Deng back from the Lakers is if they are getting Ingram or Ball back. Ball is a tough call, but Ingram is really the target.

[Jkam31]

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram, but I could see them trying to package Kuzma to unload Deng if they absolutely needed cap, which I wouldn’t do

The only way the Kings are taking Deng back from the Lakers is if they are getting Ingram or Ball back. Ball is a tough call, but Ingram is really the target.

There not trading Ingram let’s be realistic here.

I’d easily do Skal/ZBo for Kuzma/Deng
Kuzma is the truth


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[BoogieTime]

One team that figures to be in tax hell are the Heat. They want to move Hassan’s deal as well from what I hear. They might need to move Winslow with him to do that. I don’t know if I’m a big enough fan to send them a small asset or two to make that work

[kalenclayton]

Lakers wouldn’t trade Ingram, but I could see them trying to package Kuzma to unload Deng if they absolutely needed cap, which I wouldn’t do

The only way the Kings are taking Deng back from the Lakers is if they are getting Ingram or Ball back. Ball is a tough call, but Ingram is really the target.

There not trading Ingram let’s be realistic here.

I’d easily do Skal/ZBo for Kuzma/Deng
Kuzma is the truth


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So what you are saying is that Kuzma is a $20 Million/year player? I’m not nearly as high on him as you. Adding Skal is a non-starter at that point. Remember, they are paying us to take on Deng. We aren’t swapping bad contracts. Remove Skal and it’s a little better, but I still want more. Put in Josh Hart and you got a deal.

[kalenclayton]

One team that figures to be in tax hell are the Heat. They want to move Hassan’s deal as well from what I hear. They might need to move Winslow with him to do that. I don’t know if I’m a big enough fan to send them a small asset or two to make that work

I think the Heat are going to get value for Hassan. He still has plenty of value. I’m not interested in him as a Kings fan though. I’m worried about his attitude and his game may not fit as well in Joerger’s system offensively. If Dave wants to adapt his system, then I could see Whiteside working out. I just think there is too much risk involved from a chemistry and fit perspective.

[SacKingZZZ]

One team that figures to be in tax hell are the Heat. They want to move Hassan’s deal as well from what I hear. They might need to move Winslow with him to do that. I don’t know if I’m a big enough fan to send them a small asset or two to make that work

Not a fan of Hassan, but I remain a fan of Winslow if the price were right.

[BoogieTime]

One team that figures to be in tax hell are the Heat. They want to move Hassan’s deal as well from what I hear. They might need to move Winslow with him to do that. I don’t know if I’m a big enough fan to send them a small asset or two to make that work

Not a fan of Hassan, but I remain a fan of Winslow if the price were right.

The Heat writer bandied that he could be used in a dump, possibly Tyler Johnson’s contract. Heat will be in tax, and he might be the only asset that gets them meaningful savings

[kingjawn100]

i wonder which ex-King has the most likely chance to end up back in Sac this summer: Whiteside, Cousins, Isaiah, Rondo.
Honestly of those 4 i'd probably say Isaiah would be the most likely.

[kingjawn100]

I'm intrigued to see what our point guard situation looks like come opening night. It's a tricky spot. I'd love for them to upgrade the backup PG position and move Mason to an end of the bench role. To me the Mason we saw this year really is what he is - I don't see much upside. You'd want them to add someone either through the draft or free agency but you don't want to run into a situation like last year where we have a high priced/highly touted guard who takes minutes away from Fox.

Someone like Gilgeous-Alexander could be decent insurance if Fox doesn't pan out the next couple years.
Okobo could be interesting too. Stash overseas and if Fox doesn't develop he could be the PG of the future.

As far as free agents Marcus Smart would be huge if we could get him. He's strong enough where he can play in a 3 guard set and defend a 3. Jarrett Jack could help us too. He's old but he can get buckets and we badly need someone who can create for himself.

[SacKingZZZ]

i wonder which ex-King has the most likely chance to end up back in Sac this summer: Whiteside, Cousins, Isaiah, Rondo.
Honestly of those 4 i'd probably say Isaiah would be the most likely.

None have a chance. It would be awesome to see the Kings go after Cuz though. It was all an inside job I tell you!

[kalenclayton]

i wonder which ex-King has the most likely chance to end up back in Sac this summer: Whiteside, Cousins, Isaiah, Rondo.
Honestly of those 4 i'd probably say Isaiah would be the most likely.

None have a chance. It would be awesome to see the Kings go after Cuz though. It was all an inside job I tell you!

This team seems to have a squad to put around Boogie too. More shooting and a PG who can push the pace and kick it to the trailing Boogie. I love Boogie, but I don’t know if I could put up with his arguing again though.

[kingjawn100]

i wonder which ex-King has the most likely chance to end up back in Sac this summer: Whiteside, Cousins, Isaiah, Rondo.
Honestly of those 4 i'd probably say Isaiah would be the most likely.

None have a chance. It would be awesome to see the Kings go after Cuz though. It was all an inside job I tell you!

This team seems to have a squad to put around Boogie too. More shooting and a PG who can push the pace and kick it to the trailing Boogie. I love Boogie, but I don’t know if I could put up with his arguing again though.

With Cousins i don't see why anything attitude wise would be different this go-around.
Also we can't underestimate how devastating of an injury an achilles rupture is. Sure he never relied totally on athleticism but a lot of his lateral/vertical burst will be gone and probably never come back post injury. I definitely don't expect him to be the same player he was.

Isaiah would be interesting if he really was committed to being a backup PG giving us scoring pop off the bench. A healthy Isaiah + Buddy off the bench could give us some potent offense. But as much as i love him i'm not sure whee he's at health wise and ego wise these days.

Id be fine with Rondo backing up Fox but he's most likely gonna cash in big money as a starter somewhere. And he'd honestly probably outplay fox causing a playing time/development issue for Fox.

As much as Whiteside's been maligned would anyone do the #8 straight up for Whiteside? (assuming we get 8 not 7 and say ayton/bamba/bagley/doncic/mpj/jjj/mikal are all gone)? Bad attitude and all that's a lot of production for an uncertainty/low ceiling guy like Wendell Carter.

[SacKingZZZ]

None have a chance. It would be awesome to see the Kings go after Cuz though. It was all an inside job I tell you!

This team seems to have a squad to put around Boogie too. More shooting and a PG who can push the pace and kick it to the trailing Boogie. I love Boogie, but I don’t know if I could put up with his arguing again though.

With Cousins i don't see why anything attitude wise would be different this go-around.
Also we can't underestimate how devastating of an injury an achilles rupture is. Sure he never relied totally on athleticism but a lot of his lateral/vertical burst will be gone and probably never come back post injury. I definitely don't expect him to be the same player he was.

Isaiah would be interesting if he really was committed to being a backup PG giving us scoring pop off the bench. A healthy Isaiah + Buddy off the bench could give us some potent offense. But as much as i love him i'm not sure whee he's at health wise and ego wise these days.

Id be fine with Rondo backing up Fox but he's most likely gonna cash in big money as a starter somewhere. And he'd honestly probably outplay fox causing a playing time/development issue for Fox.

As much as Whiteside's been maligned would anyone do the #8 straight up for Whiteside? (assuming we get 8 not 7 and say ayton/bamba/bagley/doncic/mpj/jjj/mikal are all gone)? Bad attitude and all that's a lot of production for an uncertainty/low ceiling guy like Wendell Carter.

Cuz is young enough I don't see it hampering him much. What might hamper him is the success his team saw without him. That could change his role if he stays with the Pels. Realistically Cuz wouldn't even pick up the phone if Vlade called. Unless.... it was all an inside job!!! The Kings would probably get caught and lose the next 10 draft picks anyway.

[BoogieTime]

i wonder which ex-King has the most likely chance to end up back in Sac this summer: Whiteside, Cousins, Isaiah, Rondo.
Honestly of those 4 i'd probably say Isaiah would be the most likely.

Whiteside. I don’t think Heat will get value and they might have to dump him with incentive for cap, or trade him for one year of bad salary to shave money off the second year. Not that I see it as probable, just more likely than the others

IT complained about a bench role in LA, not convinced he’s ready to accept it mentally and we just have other needs (I’d need to see more of Mason either way). He may be done as a good player too