24-25 Trade Thread

[OxAndFox]

At this point it looks like Monte has made his offer and will stick with it. Perhaps similar to the Siakam trade.

[LightTheBeam]

Everybody doesn’t need to be a three point shooter guys a 20/5/5 with length we’d need his offense in the playoffs to compete

Assuming you are talking Ingram? Pelicans were better without him. Not saying that's direct match to Sac. I just don't think that kind of player is really needed for us. He's a high usage guy who is essentially going to duplicate what Fox does just from the wing and worse. He's not a complimentary player hence why Pelicans are willing to move on from him. Not even against him, just against the idea that this kind of player is worth 40+ mil a year and sacrificing multiple firsts. I'd still take him over the current roster, but I'm not pumped about it.

For instance, DeRozan is basically a better version of Ingram, but he's floating around and looking at MLE offers. DeMar is older, but also much more durable. I'd take DeRozan in a S&T for Huerter over giving up multiple firsts for Ingram.

It's why Lauri is a much better fit.

Ingram has a 28-30% usage to give you 20ppg. Lauri 25% usage to give you 23-25ppg. More efficient and doesn't need the ball. Between Fox, Monk, Sabonis, Lauri is a 10x better fit.

DeRozan is much older, and will be harder to acquire and doesn’t have any history of stretching the floor. Ingram is on timeline. They were going after Siakam too who is similar in some facets, so they seem some type of role for the talent or fit. Lauri is much better, hence more unattainable

How is derozan harder to acquire?

Hes a free agent and rumors are Chicago likes huerter. It would take Derozan agreeing to come to sac, sending Huerter, duarte, 2nds to Get him the contract he wants.

That's true he doesn't stretch the floor to the 3, but he's once of if not the best mid range player in the league.

I'm over timelines. Great to fantasize that the perfect timeline fitting forward will come around. Thats not reality, if we can't get Lauri, I'd be more than happy to pivot to DeRozan temporarily

[BoogieTime]

Assuming you are talking Ingram? Pelicans were better without him. Not saying that's direct match to Sac. I just don't think that kind of player is really needed for us. He's a high usage guy who is essentially going to duplicate what Fox does just from the wing and worse. He's not a complimentary player hence why Pelicans are willing to move on from him. Not even against him, just against the idea that this kind of player is worth 40+ mil a year and sacrificing multiple firsts. I'd still take him over the current roster, but I'm not pumped about it.

For instance, DeRozan is basically a better version of Ingram, but he's floating around and looking at MLE offers. DeMar is older, but also much more durable. I'd take DeRozan in a S&T for Huerter over giving up multiple firsts for Ingram.

It's why Lauri is a much better fit.

Ingram has a 28-30% usage to give you 20ppg. Lauri 25% usage to give you 23-25ppg. More efficient and doesn't need the ball. Between Fox, Monk, Sabonis, Lauri is a 10x better fit.

DeRozan is much older, and will be harder to acquire and doesn’t have any history of stretching the floor. Ingram is on timeline. They were going after Siakam too who is similar in some facets, so they seem some type of role for the talent or fit. Lauri is much better, hence more unattainable

How is derozan harder to acquire?

Hes a free agent and rumors are Chicago likes huerter. It would take Derozan agreeing to come to sac, sending Huerter, duarte, 2nds to Get him the contract he wants.

That's true he doesn't stretch the floor to the 3, but he's once of if not the best mid range player in the league.

I'm over timelines. Great to fantasize that the perfect timeline fitting forward will come around. Thats not reality, if we can't get Lauri, I'd be more than happy to pivot to DeRozan temporarily

He's choosing where he wants to play, or has a very large say, so he will most likely be going to a more sexy FA locale

He will be 35, he just isnt a long term option to grow with the team

[Jkam31]

Dice was on Sacton sports and was talking about how ingram was better early with a point guard (jrue and ponzu) than he has the last couple seasons without one. He was also shooting more threes with them and the uptempo game with gentry his numbers then compared to now from three: two seasons 6.1 attempts shooting 39% vs 4.1, 3.6, and 3.8 attempts shooting 41%, 37%, 35%.

I wonder if Domas and fox can get his shooting back up

[OxAndFox]

Excellent point regarding Ingram.

I'm not sure I want his next contract, but his mid range game would definitely help if the team makes the POs.

[They_Them_Hatin]

BI is so mid and needs the ball into his hands. I can’t see him working with Fox & being effective with anyone but maybe Miami when Jimmy is on his usual PTO. I would just do Demar for half the price and keep assets.

[Lost in LA]

BI is so mid and needs the ball into his hands. I can’t see him working with Fox & being effective with anyone but maybe Miami when Jimmy is on his usual PTO. I would just do Demar for half the price and keep assets.

Not sure that DeMar will be much better than Huerter over the next 2 years as he gets older and Huerter is coming into his best years.
DeMar is really a guard who is 6'6" and cannot guard bigger forwards. The game has changed since he played 3 or stretch 4.

[codydaze]

Demar isn't the perfect fit but I do think getting him on a 3 year deal at 20-25m a year would be nice. I think it makes us a better team for sure and would really help Fox having another go to scorer next to him. Even better that we would likely keep Barnes in this scenario off the bench where I think he would thrive. Carter-Monk-Barnes-Lyles would be a crazy good bench unit.

[Jkam31]

Demar isn't the perfect fit but I do think getting him on a 3 year deal at 20-25m a year would be nice. I think it makes us a better team for sure and would really help Fox having another go to scorer next to him. Even better that we would likely keep Barnes in this scenario off the bench where I think he would thrive. Carter-Monk-Barnes-Lyles would be a crazy good bench unit.

What’s the point of this though the contracts don’t matter to me at all in two years we’ll be paying Sabonis, Fox, and Keegan we won’t be able to make moves then. Our big trade is coming this season or never and DD can’t be it just swing for ingram

[CraftylikeaFox]

Demar isn't the perfect fit but I do think getting him on a 3 year deal at 20-25m a year would be nice. I think it makes us a better team for sure and would really help Fox having another go to scorer next to him. Even better that we would likely keep Barnes in this scenario off the bench where I think he would thrive. Carter-Monk-Barnes-Lyles would be a crazy good bench unit.

What’s the point of this though the contracts don’t matter to me at all in two years we’ll be paying Sabonis, Fox, and Keegan we won’t be able to make moves then. Our big trade is coming this season or never and DD can’t be it just swing for ingram

That's what I'm saying. We just had a very healthy season and still lost in the play in. Does DD really elevate our ceiling? I don't think so personally. Ingram might not either, but he has length which we desperately need and was actually a much better player when he got to play with a real point guard with Jrue and Lonzo. I take the swing on Ingram all day and just hope for the best.

[FarBeyondDriven]

we entered the offseason with two glaring needs. An upgrade defensively at the 2 since Huerter is a sieve. And an upgrade at the 4 since Barnes is a natural 3 and doesn't provide any shot-blocking. So what does McNair do? He takes a PG in the first round of the draft and then trades away our 2nd rounder while several guys worth drafting are still on the board. It's really awful asset management. This leaves us desperately trying to fill these holes via FA or via trades and every single player we've been linked to has major flaws either in that they're only marginal upgrades (if at all) or they don't really address our needs. As good as Markkanen is he isn't a shot blocker that will help our interior defense. As much as Cam Johnson is an upgrade over Huerter he's really a 3 and gets cooked by guards so doesn't really improve our defense. Kuzma isn't a true 4 and would be just a marginal upgrade over Barnes. DeRozan can't shoot and his skills are duplicative of Fox so he's not a good fit. I'm thinking any trade we make will be for someone not even being mentioned now because none of these moves really move the needle much more than going from a lower seeded play-in candidate to a higher seeded play-in candidate.

[OxAndFox]

I think Monte will be going for both DDR and Ingram.
DDR is clutch and along with Fox and Monk they have a formidable closing squad.
Ingram can be that guy that carries the offense through the middle portion of the game where the Kings routinely gave up big leads.

[Jkam31]

I think Monte will be going for both DDR and Ingram.
DDR is clutch and along with Fox and Monk they have a formidable closing squad.
Ingram can be that guy that carries the offense through the middle portion of the game where the Kings routinely gave up big leads.

I’ve been talked into DD… he as well as ingram can carry the offense when it stalls and guys are just chucking threes, I read he was top 5 in iso scoring higher than Fox. We wouldn’t be that small as guys just don’t post up and bully anymore so Keegan would only struggle vs Giannis/Lebron. For us to contend Keegan will need to shoot like he did his rookie season and continue to improve while Ellis proves he can give us 24-30mpg of elite defense and respectable shooting. Our bench would be good top Monk, Carter, barnes although if it was me I’d trade barnes and a first for Cam Johnson

[OGSactownballer]

I think Monte will be going for both DDR and Ingram.
DDR is clutch and along with Fox and Monk they have a formidable closing squad.
Ingram can be that guy that carries the offense through the middle portion of the game where the Kings routinely gave up big leads.

I’m still much happier going for Kuzma instead of Ingram.

Stronger/more physical to play at PF

Basically equal scoring abilities

Better defender

Cheaper with years already locked up and declining contract.

Adding DDR and him it just makes sense.

[OxAndFox]

I think Monte will be going for both DDR and Ingram.
DDR is clutch and along with Fox and Monk they have a formidable closing squad.
Ingram can be that guy that carries the offense through the middle portion of the game where the Kings routinely gave up big leads.

I’m still much happier going for Kuzma instead of Ingram.

Stronger/more physical to play at PF

Basically equal scoring abilities

Better defender

Cheaper with years already locked up and declining contract.

Adding DDR and him it just makes sense.

Yeah, good point. Probably would be the better way to go.

[BoogieTime]

I guess there is mutual interest from DDR and the Kings after Damien Barling said there wasnt

Read on Twitter

He seems like a backup plan if other teams arent playing ball on a fair price to me - Lauri and Ingram specifically.

I guess its better than nothing, but I'd still be a bit disappointed with the summer. I thought DDR was going to have a lot of suitors but maybe that isn't the case, and we are the only team being prominently linked with interest. That still could be a negotiating ploy with Utah/New Orleans/Washington or whoever

[BoogieTime]

Now Ham and Barling are saying its lined up with DDR, but he needs to say yes and there are other teams with interest

My concern with being able to acquire him was the fact that he could choose a more sexy locale, and there would be other teams in the bidding

My concern with acquiring him is ceding to better candidates than a 35 year old

[codydaze]

Moratorium ends tomorrow at 9 am and signings can start being made official so I imagine we get an answer on Derozan at some point tomorrow.

[BoogieTime]

We’re trying a three way trade where Spurs take our salary to facilitate this. Huerter or Barnes, I hope your neutral to Spurs and we are not including anywhere close to a first for this

[Lost in LA]

Rumour has it DeMar is in Sacramento today