Kings Off-Season

FreshyFlames · Post #1261 » by **FreshyFlames** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:09 pm

What happened to Papagiannis? Lotto pick out of the league after 2 years was he really that bad or did he get no opportunities?

BoogieTime · Post #1262 » by **BoogieTime** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:10 pm

That signing needs to have no effect on the only move that can save this summer from being a complete collapse - Cappella

There is nothing else. No other FAs of much worth. I don't see Otto Porter or Covington being traded for space. I see no trades for significant players with space.

Just underwhelming FAs and cap moves for non prime draft assets

Its just Capela. And the longer this goes on, either we aren't seriously pursuing him or he is not wanting to sign the offer sheet. What other answers for it?

blind prophet · Post #1263 » by **blind prophet** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:15 pm

FreshyFlames wrote:What happened to Papagiannis? Lotto pick out of the league after 2 years was he really that bad or did he get no opportunities?

You should of been able to see what was wrong with him in no longer than 2 minutes of opportunity. Portland thought so too.

As a rap fan Aaron Gray was a superior talent to give you an idea.

bleeds_purple · Post #1264 » by **bleeds_purple** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:36 pm

FreshyFlames wrote:What happened to Papagiannis? Lotto pick out of the league after 2 years was he really that bad or did he get no opportunities?

He's the kind of guy who could have been a third string center 15-20 years ago (aka the guy you bring in after Shaquille fouls out your whole front line). Sadly for him, he has no role in the league these days.

BoogieTime · Post #1265 » by **BoogieTime** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:47 pm

Rumors going around that Andrew Wiggins followed a few Kings recently

I want Vlade let go before he can do further damage. That would be damage

becorz · Post #1266 » by **becorz** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:49 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:
FreshyFlames wrote:What happened to Papagiannis? Lotto pick out of the league after 2 years was he really that bad or did he get no opportunities?

He's the kind of guy who could have been a third string center 15-20 years ago (aka the guy you bring in after Shaquille fouls out your whole front line). Sadly for him, he has no role in the league these days.

I thought you had to be best friends with the star of the team.

Signed, Lawrence Funderburke

edit: Now I feel bad. I met him once and he was nice to me. And he had some talent. But my joke stands

kalenclayton · Post #1267 » by **kalenclayton** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:17 pm

BoogieTime wrote:Rumors going around that Andrew Wiggins followed a few Kings recently

I want Vlade let go before he can do further damage. That would be damage

If the following tweet is the one you’re referring to, the I wouldn’t base anything on it. It has TWO Current Kings, one new King, and one potential King who just so happens to be a current teammate of him. That’s not much to base off of. Maybe I missed something new, but this is nothing. I wouldn’t get caught up in this. This is just noise.

Read on Twitter

?s=21

BoogieTime · Post #1268 » by **BoogieTime** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:38 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Rumors going around that Andrew Wiggins followed a few Kings recently

I want Vlade let go before he can do further damage. That would be damage

If the following tweet is the one you’re referring to, the I wouldn’t base anything on it. It has TWO Current Kings, one new King, and one potential King who just so happens to be a current teammate of him. That’s not much to base off of. Maybe I missed something new, but this is nothing. I wouldn’t get caught up in this. This is just noise.

Read on Twitter
?s=21

I hope so. But the reason I have to fear seeing something like that is LaVine. To me they are the same type of player. Hype that someone can get into athletic wings, without much in the way of tangible team production and advanced stats

Post #1269 » by **KF10** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:40 pm

Yogi always looked good whenever I watch him play.

He should easily challenge Frank for the back-up PG role.

LightTheBeam · Post #1270 » by **LightTheBeam** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:57 pm

kalenclayton wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Rumors going around that Andrew Wiggins followed a few Kings recently

I want Vlade let go before he can do further damage. That would be damage

If the following tweet is the one you’re referring to, the I wouldn’t base anything on it. It has TWO Current Kings, one new King, and one potential King who just so happens to be a current teammate of him. That’s not much to base off of. Maybe I missed something new, but this is nothing. I wouldn’t get caught up in this. This is just noise.

Read on Twitter
?s=21

I wouldnt want Wiggins but I'd certainly prefer him to Lavine. Hes not a good fit in Minnesota and hasn't been under Tom. I dont think hes a great fit under Joerger either, but if we got a coach who would let the young guys run then Wiggins could be a decent player. His biggest problem is hes a 15mil player being paid 30, if he made 20 mil per you could live with it.

That said hes 23, uber athletic, 6'8, and a premium scorer who averaged 23 his 3rd year. If we traded Zbo/shump/koufos for him, I wouldnt be all that mad.

Wiggins needs to work in his 3pt shooting and defense.

WCS/Giles/Davis
Bagley/Bjelica/Skal
Wiggins/Jackson
Bogdan/Hield
Fox/Yogi/Mason

That 2nd unit looks awesome. A bunch of shooters, 3 plus defenders. The 1st unit can really run up and down the floor. Good playermakers, 2 potential go to scorers and a rim runner. I dont have much faith in using our cap space any better than Wiggins unfortunately

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SacKingZZZ · Post #1271 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:51 am

Just makes me think the Kings do indeed have no clue what they're doing and they keep following the tree down until they can get whatever fruit is left closest to the ground. I would hope that means Masons days are numbered but it probably doesn't. Incoming 3 PG lineups! lol.

LightTheBeam · Post #1272 » by **LightTheBeam** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:00 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Just makes me think the Kings do indeed have no clue what they're doing and they keep following the tree down until they can get whatever fruit is left closest to the ground. I would hope that means Masons days are numbered but it probably doesn't. Incoming 3 PG lineups! lol.

I think we needed a 3rd pg. Fox and Mason both missed time last season and with trading temple we needed someone who could do it. 3pgs is fine, now the 8 big men we have, that's another story...

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Post #1273 » by **KF10** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:09 am

Please no Wiggins -- unless the guy improved a tier or 2 after the summer.

SacKingZZZ · Post #1274 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:11 am

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Just makes me think the Kings do indeed have no clue what they're doing and they keep following the tree down until they can get whatever fruit is left closest to the ground. I would hope that means Masons days are numbered but it probably doesn't. Incoming 3 PG lineups! lol.
I think we needed a 3rd pg. Fox and Mason both missed time last season and with trading temple we needed someone who could do it. 3pgs is fine, now the 8 big men we have, that's another story...

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Good, go spend the minimum on one of the many decent PG's available. They have Iman and Bogdan who honestly, even before this move needs to see minutes at PG to maximize his effectiveness. Joerger with more PG options scares me a little because he continues to think 2 PG lineups work well when it's been nothing but fail with a capital F up to this point. This move just seems like a whatever, why not type of move. Ferrell looked good at times in Dallas but they just cut down the space they had that could be used at the deadline for a lower level need that wasn't going to effect this teams success one way or another. Ferrell got nearly 30 mpg in Dallas, that can't happen here unless they are platooning again, or cutting in to Buddy's or Bogdan's minutes. If Ben Mac sticks into the year I have a feeling he'll find a way to make sure his one shot at not getting himself fired in riding on the backs of his two best guard/wings gets pushed away again. It's up to the coach at this point and beyond that Vlade to finally put his foot down and ask why such mediocre results from the players he's given his coach.

RIPskaterdude · Post #1275 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:11 am

BoogieTime wrote:That signing needs to have no effect on the only move that can save this summer from being a complete collapse - Cappella

There is nothing else. No other FAs of much worth. I don't see Otto Porter or Covington being traded for space. I see no trades for significant players with space.

Just underwhelming FAs and cap moves for non prime draft assets

Its just Capela. And the longer this goes on, either we aren't seriously pursuing him or he is not wanting to sign the offer sheet. What other answers for it?

Not happening

RIPskaterdude · Post #1276 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:13 am

3 years 20M for Bjelica. Last year non guaranteed

Post #1277 » by **KF10** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:32 am

Yogi and Bjelica.

It's aight.

rpa · Post #1278 » by **rpa** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:15 am

RipPizzaGuy wrote:That said hes 23, uber athletic, 6'8, and a premium scorer who averaged 23 his 3rd year. If we traded Zbo/shump/koufos for him, I wouldnt be all that mad.

Really? I think that's a nasty risk to take to be perfectly honest. Granted you're only giving up cap space (and not talent), but man oh man is it a lot of cap space--nearly $30mil per year for the next FIVE years.

Here's my issue with Wiggins: his measurables look amazing, but he's an incredibly low IQ player and doesn't have a modern NBA skill set.

Offensively he's a volume scorer with below average efficiency. Remember all the complaints about Cousins' low TS%? Wiggins is markedly worse in that department. What about creating for others? Nope--2 assists per game.

Defensively he's an abomination given his tools. Just a steal a game from this guy. With that length, quickness, and athleticism. That should really tell you all you need to know, but the advanced stats tell you more:
1) Negative DBPM all 4 years in the league
2) DRTG of 113 or more all 4 years in the league
3) DRPM ratings for SFs for his last 4 years (starting at most recent): 4th to last, 3rd to last, 7th to last, 7th to last

And he did a good chunk of this under 1 of the best defensive coaches of his generation.

Is there really that much of a difference between Wiggins and TJ Warren? I think Warren's overpaid for what he brings and he's only making $12mil a year. Wiggins is at 2.5x times that for the same production and similar kind of player.

bleeds_purple · Post #1279 » by **bleeds_purple** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:22 am

RIPskaterdude wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:That signing needs to have no effect on the only move that can save this summer from being a complete collapse - Cappella

There is nothing else. No other FAs of much worth. I don't see Otto Porter or Covington being traded for space. I see no trades for significant players with space.

Just underwhelming FAs and cap moves for non prime draft assets

Its just Capela. And the longer this goes on, either we aren't seriously pursuing him or he is not wanting to sign the offer sheet. What other answers for it?
Not happening

We're not getting Capella. Honestly, after drafting Bagley and Giles last year I would be pretty surprised if we were even interested. Are we going to be playing Bagley 20 minutes a game? Are we going to be playing him at the 3?

Can someone explain this Bjelca signing? Based on his stats it seems like he's a near minimum level player and he's 30 years old. Seems like he was on his way out of the league but we gave him 20M? I understand the last year is non-guaranteed but its just yet another rudderless deal to me. I would have honestly rather take some undrafted unknown and roll the dice a little instead of picking up a guy who is guaranteed not to move the needle in the slightest.

Trading for Wiggins would be the type of move I'd endorse. The money he makes is irrelevant to a team like the Kings. As we see every year, our cap space literally couldn't mean less. Particularly when we continually refuse use it to acquire toxic assets and picks. I'd rather pay Wiggins than spread that money around to pointless signings that end up adding up to the same number in the end.

SacKingZZZ · Post #1280 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:33 am

It will be interesting to see if the Kings try to preserve the space they have left now. They just took a huge chunk out of it and the question is the same as every year, is there a follow up move to clean up the log jam? After 3 years of the same thing my guess is no.