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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1321 » by kalenclayton » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:26 pm

Just throwing it out there, but the Minny fans that I’ve asked have said that Bjelica is definitely a combo forward who is better at the three. If you read season recaps on the guy, they will say the same thing. With that being said, I think Vlade intends to have Bjelica as our 3 moving forward. Just saying.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1322 » by Sactowndog » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:43 pm

madskillz8 wrote:
jazanetti wrote:Michael Beasley (13,2+5,6+1,7) signed 1 year 3,5 million deal.
Nemanja Bjelica (6,8+4,1+1,3) - 3 year 20,5 million deal.
Vlade is the the best serbian friend, but the worst NBA manager ever.


Terrible comparison. That way of thinking is the reason why Wiggins get 30m/year.

I remember the same criticism for Bogdan. Then most fans realized he's one of our valuable assets.

Not saying he's very tradeable. However he's a very skilled, high IQ basketball player can play multiple positions. Bargain at 6.5/year compared to contracts given for similar players.

You might compare him with a couple of players that took cheap 1 year deals but they are simply waiting/gambling for next year where lots of teams would have cap space.


Not only that he could be a great stretch 4 mentor to Skal. I like the signing.

I see the line-up when we go big as follows:

Center: Giles, Kosta, ZBo
Play perimeter defense/catch lobs wing: WCS or Bagley (depending on Bagley’s development), Jackson (defense, 3’s)
Stetch 4, big defense: Beli, Skal ( I want Skal glued to Beli for 2 -3 years).
Wing Shooter: Bogdan, Buddy, Shumpert
Primary Ball Handler: Fox, Bogdan

I can also see us go small quicker lineups:
High post: Giles, WCS
Stretch 4: Beli, Bagley (depending on his shooting)
Wing: Bogdan, Jackson
Wing: Buddy, Shumpert
Primary Ball: Fox, Yogi

Must Keys to a successful year:
1) can Fox find open 3 point shooters (especially in the small line up)?
2) can Giles pick and pop from the high post?
3) can Bagley learn to play perimeter D?

Bonus points:
1) does Skal get stronger and learn from Beli?
2) can Jackson improve his 3 point percentage?
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Post#1323 » by LightTheBeam » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:04 pm

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RipPizzaGuy wrote:Eh the positions are kinda irrelevant. Bjelica will play next to 2 bigs and at times he will shift to the 4 spot.

My main concern is that

Fox/Yogi/buddy/bogdan/bjelica/Bagley/Giles/Skal/WCS should be soaking up the majority of the minutes. I'm okay giving Jackson the chance to start the season, but if he disappears like I expect after 10 games then I'd give his minutes to Shump or just cut him out the rotation completely

There you go - now, why on earth did they ever do those FA signings last year - it set us back a year or two.
Well the George Hill signing was pretty pointless because he had a bad attitude. No one could predict that, he was our biggest free agent signing in years.

I would have liked the Zbo signing more if it was 1 year. Who was topping 1/12? The second year was completely unnecessary. I think vlade knew last year was a tank year with our last pick so he didnt want the locker room to become an issue. Having Randolph, Carter, Temple was good for the young guys. That said, this year he needs to be telling koufos and Randolph we dont have playing time for them. if zbo wants to stay on and be somewhat of a coach great, if not we will buy him out so he can go to a contender. Koufos made his choice opting in, I think he should be told the same as temple (no playing time but you're welcome to stay here for the year).

I heard temple was told we had no minutes for him. From what I can see we actually had a role for temple much more so than koufos or Randolph. This leaves me with hope that the same was told for Randolph and koufos. Time will tell.

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Post#1324 » by dckingsfan » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:29 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Eh the positions are kinda irrelevant. Bjelica will play next to 2 bigs and at times he will shift to the 4 spot.

My main concern is that

Fox/Yogi/buddy/bogdan/bjelica/Bagley/Giles/Skal/WCS should be soaking up the majority of the minutes. I'm okay giving Jackson the chance to start the season, but if he disappears like I expect after 10 games then I'd give his minutes to Shump or just cut him out the rotation completely

There you go - now, why on earth did they ever do those FA signings last year - it set us back a year or two.
Well the George Hill signing was pretty pointless because he had a bad attitude. No one could predict that, he was our biggest free agent signing in years.

I would have liked the Zbo signing more if it was 1 year. Who was topping 1/12? The second year was completely unnecessary. I think vlade knew last year was a tank year with our last pick so he didnt want the locker room to become an issue. Having Randolph, Carter, Temple was good for the young guys. That said, this year he needs to be telling koufos and Randolph we dont have playing time for them. if zbo wants to stay on and be somewhat of a coach great, if not we will buy him out so he can go to a contender. Koufos made his choice opting in, I think he should be told the same as temple (no playing time but you're welcome to stay here for the year).

I heard temple was told we had no minutes for him. From what I can see we actually had a role for temple much more so than koufos or Randolph. This leaves me with hope that the same was told for Randolph and koufos. Time will tell.

I thought those signings were stupid at the time. I thought we should have waited and take on anyone's trash as long as it came with a pick. But it could all turn out fine.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1325 » by dckingsfan » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:41 pm

kalenclayton wrote:Just throwing it out there, but the Minny fans that I’ve asked have said that Bjelica is definitely a combo forward who is better at the three. If you read season recaps on the guy, they will say the same thing. With that being said, I think Vlade intends to have Bjelica as our 3 moving forward. Just saying.

In it's most specific form, you want Bjelica, Hield and Bogdanovic to start. Then you want a rim protector and PG. Then you want two of Bjelica, Hield and Bogdanovic to be on the court at all times. That means that Bjelica will have to play the 3 some and Bogdanovic will have to play the 2 some.

Fox is going to play the majority of the minutes at PG. It will be interesting to see if Ferrell or Mason gets the backup minutes. No question that Farrell was better than Mason last year - but hey rookie - Fox was pretty awful too.

For the rim protector Cauley-Stein, Koufos and Giles. Giles is a rookie, I think it would take him time to earn the starting role.

Since there is no chance to make the playoffs this season, I am hoping RipPizzaGuy is right and there will no minutes for Randolph and limited minutes for McLemore & Shumpert. You would rather see Justin Jackson get those minutes, right?

But it is very difficult to play the youngsters at the beginning of the season when you "believe" as a coach that you might steal the 8th seed.
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Post#1326 » by BoogieTime » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:47 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:Just throwing it out there, but the Minny fans that I’ve asked have said that Bjelica is definitely a combo forward who is better at the three. If you read season recaps on the guy, they will say the same thing. With that being said, I think Vlade intends to have Bjelica as our 3 moving forward. Just saying.

In it's most specific form, you want Bjelica, Hield and Bogdanovic to start. Then you want a rim protector and PG. Then you want two of Bjelica, Hield and Bogdanovic to be on the court at all times. That means that Bjelica will have to play the 3 some and Bogdanovic will have to play the 2 some.

Fox is going to play the majority of the minutes at PG. It will be interesting to see if Ferrell or Mason gets the backup minutes. No question that Farrell was better than Mason last year - but hey rookie - Fox was pretty awful too.

For the rim protector Cauley-Stein, Koufos and Giles. Giles is a rookie, I think it would take him time to earn the starting role.

Since there is no chance to make the playoffs this season, I am hoping RipPizzaGuy is right and there will no minutes for Randolph and limited minutes for McLemore & Shumpert. You would rather see Justin Jackson get those minutes, right?

But it is very difficult to play the youngsters at the beginning of the season when you "believe" as a coach that you might steal the 8th seed.


Yes, Buddy/Bogdan need to start, which means Bjelica at the 4 if he starts IMO
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1327 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:27 pm

kalenclayton wrote:Just throwing it out there, but the Minny fans that I’ve asked have said that Bjelica is definitely a combo forward who is better at the three. If you read season recaps on the guy, they will say the same thing. With that being said, I think Vlade intends to have Bjelica as our 3 moving forward. Just saying.



If they have him next to Bagley and Giles/Willie then they better start switching screens. Bjelica did some of that in Minny although we all know that Thibs loves to ice pick and rolls. Pretty much when met with any screen Bjelica should switch and against penetration that help better be ready. This is where him being the size of a modern day center will help him. All of Bagley, Giles, and Willie are interchangeable. Now, if they play ZBo and Koufos next to him then I have know idea how that will work. I guess you'd want to zone off pick and rolls and be eaten alive by shooting per usual.
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Post#1328 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:36 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:Just throwing it out there, but the Minny fans that I’ve asked have said that Bjelica is definitely a combo forward who is better at the three. If you read season recaps on the guy, they will say the same thing. With that being said, I think Vlade intends to have Bjelica as our 3 moving forward. Just saying.

In it's most specific form, you want Bjelica, Hield and Bogdanovic to start. Then you want a rim protector and PG. Then you want two of Bjelica, Hield and Bogdanovic to be on the court at all times. That means that Bjelica will have to play the 3 some and Bogdanovic will have to play the 2 some.

Fox is going to play the majority of the minutes at PG. It will be interesting to see if Ferrell or Mason gets the backup minutes. No question that Farrell was better than Mason last year - but hey rookie - Fox was pretty awful too.

For the rim protector Cauley-Stein, Koufos and Giles. Giles is a rookie, I think it would take him time to earn the starting role.

Since there is no chance to make the playoffs this season, I am hoping RipPizzaGuy is right and there will no minutes for Randolph and limited minutes for McLemore & Shumpert. You would rather see Justin Jackson get those minutes, right?

But it is very difficult to play the youngsters at the beginning of the season when you "believe" as a coach that you might steal the 8th seed.


For that signing to make sense then Mason just got his perma ticket to the G league. Yogi and Mason are cut from the same cloth. Neither are natural play makers and are more scoring guards. The difference with Yogi is he's more willing and able to play off the ball. At his best he's basically a super small SG. Mason still wants to pound the rock and get to the rim which isn't how he's going to stick in the league. I can see the Yogi signing as one that also helps Mason because for him to stick he'll have to transition his game to being like Yogi's. The problem is Mason is a fringe NBA player at this point anyway and Yogi might just take that gig long term.

I want to see 9 players in the rotation or one of those 9 1/2 man rotations that allow your top minute getters to actually show up as more than a blip on the radar production wise:

1. Fox
2. Buddy
3. Bogdan
4. Bagley
5. Willie
6. Bjelica
7. Giles
8. Yogi
9. Skal
9.5 JJ

When looking at this roster I can see Joergers wheels turning. They'll all get 15 mpg, book it. :banghead: And you wonder why every team in the league laughs Vlade off the phone in trades. Your coach is burning up all your value Vlade, wake up.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1329 » by dckingsfan » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:40 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:Just throwing it out there, but the Minny fans that I’ve asked have said that Bjelica is definitely a combo forward who is better at the three. If you read season recaps on the guy, they will say the same thing. With that being said, I think Vlade intends to have Bjelica as our 3 moving forward. Just saying.

In it's most specific form, you want Bjelica, Hield and Bogdanovic to start. Then you want a rim protector and PG. Then you want two of Bjelica, Hield and Bogdanovic to be on the court at all times. That means that Bjelica will have to play the 3 some and Bogdanovic will have to play the 2 some.

Fox is going to play the majority of the minutes at PG. It will be interesting to see if Ferrell or Mason gets the backup minutes. No question that Farrell was better than Mason last year - but hey rookie - Fox was pretty awful too.

For the rim protector Cauley-Stein, Koufos and Giles. Giles is a rookie, I think it would take him time to earn the starting role.

Since there is no chance to make the playoffs this season, I am hoping RipPizzaGuy is right and there will no minutes for Randolph and limited minutes for McLemore & Shumpert. You would rather see Justin Jackson get those minutes, right?

But it is very difficult to play the youngsters at the beginning of the season when you "believe" as a coach that you might steal the 8th seed.

For that signing to make sense then Mason just got his perma ticket to the G league. Yogi and Mason are cut from the same cloth. Neither are natural play makers and are more scoring guards. The difference with Yogi is he's more willing and able to play off the ball. At his best he's basically a super small SG. Mason still wants to pound the rock and get to the rim which isn't how he's going to stick in the league. I can see the Yogi signing as one that also helps Mason because for him to stick he'll have to transition his game to being like Yogi's. The problem is Mason is a fringe NBA player at this point anyway and Yogi might just take that gig long term.

I want to see 9 players in the rotation or one of those 9 1/2 man rotations that allow your top minute getters to actually show up as more than a blip on the radar production wise:

1. Fox
2. Buddy
3. Bogdan
4. Bagley
5. Willie
6. Bjelica
7. Giles
8. Yogi
9. Skal
9.5 JJ

When looking at this roster I can see Joergers wheels turning. They'll all get 15 mpg, book it. :banghead: And you wonder why every team in the league laughs Vlade off the phone in trades. Your coach is burning up all your value Vlade, wake up.

I hear you... I just think one of Yogi or Mason will figure it out - I might be a bit to optimistic :)

Either way, this team will really be waiting on Fox - and I just think he is still one to two years away.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1330 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:33 am

I think a trade is coming. I saw the below tweet.

Kings announced the signing of Nemanja Bjelica (3/$20.5M, 3rd year non-guaranteed) but apparently not Yogi Ferrell (2/$6.2M), which could suggest they want flexibility to sign Ferrell with the Room MLE if needed. Which, for now, would still leave them with about $14M of cap room.

Capela sign & trade for WCS & Shumpert? Ryan Anderson & picks for Shumpert? I think Shumpert could be useful for Rockets losing Moute & Ariza. Wiggins for expiring & space?

I just get sense something is going down. I then started questioning if Yogi was coming then stumbled across this video.

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Post#1331 » by BoogieTime » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:12 am

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:I think a trade is coming. I saw the below tweet.

Kings announced the signing of Nemanja Bjelica (3/$20.5M, 3rd year non-guaranteed) but apparently not Yogi Ferrell (2/$6.2M), which could suggest they want flexibility to sign Ferrell with the Room MLE if needed. Which, for now, would still leave them with about $14M of cap room.

Capela sign & trade for WCS & Shumpert? Ryan Anderson & picks for Shumpert? I think Shumpert could be useful for Rockets losing Moute & Ariza. Wiggins for expiring & space?

I just get sense something is going down. I then started questioning if Yogi was coming then stumbled across this video.



Still rules out Capela.. They needed that cheese to get him to a 4/100 or around deal. Rockets are matching anything not exorbitant.. I can't let it go..
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Post#1332 » by kalenclayton » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:00 am

BoogieTime wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:I think a trade is coming. I saw the below tweet.

Kings announced the signing of Nemanja Bjelica (3/$20.5M, 3rd year non-guaranteed) but apparently not Yogi Ferrell (2/$6.2M), which could suggest they want flexibility to sign Ferrell with the Room MLE if needed. Which, for now, would still leave them with about $14M of cap room.

Capela sign & trade for WCS & Shumpert? Ryan Anderson & picks for Shumpert? I think Shumpert could be useful for Rockets losing Moute & Ariza. Wiggins for expiring & space?

I just get sense something is going down. I then started questioning if Yogi was coming then stumbled across this video.



Still rules out Capela.. They needed that cheese to get him to a 4/100 or around deal. Rockets are matching anything not exorbitant.. I can't let it go..

You’ve been pushing for this for so long. I have to ask, why do you feel this way? Do you know him? Is Capela a favorite of yours? Do you just feel the need to have the Kings make a splash?

I get that he has a great skillset for the modern NBA, but we really don’t know how he looks outside of the system he is in. D’antoni has put him in a position to succeed with their system in Houston. Do we trust that Joerger would do that? I don’t. Capela needs to be in a PnR heavy offense with great playmakers. I’m not so sure the Kings are ready for that. They also have proven they aren’t going to sway to a PnR heavy offense. We keep saying that it might happen, but we haven’t seen any results.

The other thing is roster construction. Capela would’ve been a fine signing if we picked Doncic at 2. That ship sailed when it turned out to be Bagley. I’ve been surprised that you’ve held onto this hope that he would don a Kings jersey even after that pick. If Bagley was the only post we had, then Capela might make sense but that isn’t the case. We have too many bigs. That’s the fact. We don’t need any more. We need a big wing and we need a star who can be a go-to on offense. Capela is neither of those.
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Post#1333 » by BoogieTime » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:14 am

kalenclayton wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
PetrieUnderstudy wrote:I think a trade is coming. I saw the below tweet.

Kings announced the signing of Nemanja Bjelica (3/$20.5M, 3rd year non-guaranteed) but apparently not Yogi Ferrell (2/$6.2M), which could suggest they want flexibility to sign Ferrell with the Room MLE if needed. Which, for now, would still leave them with about $14M of cap room.

Capela sign & trade for WCS & Shumpert? Ryan Anderson & picks for Shumpert? I think Shumpert could be useful for Rockets losing Moute & Ariza. Wiggins for expiring & space?

I just get sense something is going down. I then started questioning if Yogi was coming then stumbled across this video.



Still rules out Capela.. They needed that cheese to get him to a 4/100 or around deal. Rockets are matching anything not exorbitant.. I can't let it go..

You’ve been pushing for this for so long. I have to ask, why do you feel this way? Do you know him? Is Capela a favorite of yours? Do you just feel the need to have the Kings make a splash?

I get that he has a great skillset for the modern NBA, but we really don’t know how he looks outside of the system he is in. D’antoni has put him in a position to succeed with their system in Houston. Do we trust that Joerger would do that? I don’t. Capela needs to be in a PnR heavy offense with great playmakers. I’m not so sure the Kings are ready for that. They also have proven they aren’t going to sway to a PnR heavy offense. We keep saying that it might happen, but we haven’t seen any results.

The other thing is roster construction. Capela would’ve been a fine signing if we picked Doncic at 2. That ship sailed when it turned out to be Bagley. I’ve been surprised that you’ve held onto this hope that he would don a Kings jersey even after that pick. If Bagley was the only post we had, then Capela might make sense but that isn’t the case. We have too many bigs. That’s the fact. We don’t need any more. We need a big wing and we need a star who can be a go-to on offense. Capela is neither of those.


I do know him. Cool cat :) But for the team, its about acquiring the best players. He was the best player in the team's potential grasp in trade or FA. He's a young, quality starter. Everything else that we discuss isn't about young quality starters. Bjelica/Ferrell, as much as they are solid role players and fits, aren't young quality starters. Its about getting the best potential players. Is there another young, quality starter available in any way, through trade or FA? Why worry about fits of worse players when we still need accumulation? Maybe Otto Porter, but I think we've seen that that level of talent won't be available for cap. There have been no other young, quality starters available the entire time. LaVine/Parker weren't quality in terms of advanced stats. Hood aint young or quality in terms of advanced stats. Capela was the only young, quality starting player available.

Im not sure where Bagley fits into the equation as a center, but he still has a long way to go. We don't have many proven young, quality starters on the team yet. I would've felt comfortable with Capela/Giles/Bagley, and trading WCS or stretching Zach etc.

You don't think he would've meshed with Fox? I think they could've been a solid combo. Capela is a potentially franchise altering player, and there are/were none available elsewhere IMO
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Post#1334 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:17 am

I'm not saying the Kings are signing Capela I'm just saying it is possible via sign and trade. Rockets sign him to 4/$106 then trade him to Kings for Willie and Shumpert.

I kind of agree on Capela and the system concern. However he can rebound, play defense and block shots no matter what. Is that worth $25+ per year?
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Post#1335 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:26 am

kalenclayton wrote:Just throwing it out there, but the Minny fans that I’ve asked have said that Bjelica is definitely a combo forward who is better at the three. If you read season recaps on the guy, they will say the same thing. With that being said, I think Vlade intends to have Bjelica as our 3 moving forward. Just saying.


I agree that Bjelica can play the 3. I've watched videos when he was in Europe and he looked in better shape and more athletic. He was dunking versus last year with TWolves doing layups. If he could slim down like in Europe he'd be better at 3. Best comparison I see is Gallinari.

Here's video I'm referring to:

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Post#1336 » by LightTheBeam » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:43 am

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:I'm not saying the Kings are signing Capela I'm just saying it is possible via sign and trade. Rockets sign him to 4/$106 then trade him to Kings for Willie and Shumpert.

I kind of agree on Capela and the system concern. However he can rebound, play defense and block shots no matter what. Is that worth $25+ per year?


hes not close to a 25 mil per year player. Hes a 12-15mil guy anything more would be a HUGE mistake. Theres a reason nobody with cap space even attempted to go for him. Dallas coulda offered him 4/100 and hes much younger than DeAndre and woulda stolen him from an in state rival, we didnt even hear them try.

Hes a system guy who had a career year in a system tailor fit for him. No thank you.
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Post#1337 » by kalenclayton » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:01 am

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kalenclayton wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
Still rules out Capela.. They needed that cheese to get him to a 4/100 or around deal. Rockets are matching anything not exorbitant.. I can't let it go..

You’ve been pushing for this for so long. I have to ask, why do you feel this way? Do you know him? Is Capela a favorite of yours? Do you just feel the need to have the Kings make a splash?

I get that he has a great skillset for the modern NBA, but we really don’t know how he looks outside of the system he is in. D’antoni has put him in a position to succeed with their system in Houston. Do we trust that Joerger would do that? I don’t. Capela needs to be in a PnR heavy offense with great playmakers. I’m not so sure the Kings are ready for that. They also have proven they aren’t going to sway to a PnR heavy offense. We keep saying that it might happen, but we haven’t seen any results.

The other thing is roster construction. Capela would’ve been a fine signing if we picked Doncic at 2. That ship sailed when it turned out to be Bagley. I’ve been surprised that you’ve held onto this hope that he would don a Kings jersey even after that pick. If Bagley was the only post we had, then Capela might make sense but that isn’t the case. We have too many bigs. That’s the fact. We don’t need any more. We need a big wing and we need a star who can be a go-to on offense. Capela is neither of those.


I do know him. Cool cat :) But for the team, its about acquiring the best players. He was the best player in the team's potential grasp in trade or FA. He's a young, quality starter. Everything else that we discuss isn't about young quality starters. Bjelica/Ferrell, as much as they are solid role players and fits, aren't young quality starters. Its about getting the best potential players. Is there another young, quality starter available in any way, through trade or FA? Why worry about fits of worse players when we still need accumulation? Maybe Otto Porter, but I think we've seen that that level of talent won't be available for cap. There have been no other young, quality starters available the entire time. LaVine/Parker weren't quality in terms of advanced stats. Hood aint young or quality in terms of advanced stats. Capela was the only young, quality starting player available.

Im not sure where Bagley fits into the equation as a center, but he still has a long way to go. We don't have many proven young, quality starters on the team yet. I would've felt comfortable with Capela/Giles/Bagley, and trading WCS or stretching Zach etc.

You don't think he would've meshed with Fox? I think they could've been a solid combo. Capela is a potentially franchise altering player, and there are/were none available elsewhere IMO

Understandable. I agree the team needs to keep accumulating assets. My issue is that we just invested in our front court with the #2 pick and I’m not so certain we need to invest any more at this time. The league is getting smaller and smaller. Maybe it will snap back to being big again, but for the time being it isn’t.

I’m actually a fan of Capela’s game. I just don’t see the fit with the financial burden he will come with. You asked why I am worrying about fit while we are I the accumulation phase and my answer is that we have too much of the same thing. If we sign Capela, then the development minutes of Bagley, Giles, and Willie go down. Of course that changes with a S&T with Willie outgoing. I just don’t want to see us invest in 3 bigs when our biggest glaring need is a go-to wing. This is just my opinion, but I do see where you are coming from.

In regards to the Capela-Fox pairing, I think they would look good. The issue is that we don’t know how fast Fox’s shot will improve. If it even regresses, then this PnR combo will dwindle to being relatively ineffective because of the lack of shooting. No one would respect the roll or the drive in a situation like that. If Fox progresses positively, then this PnR pairing will be deadly.

You asked if I think there are any other quality starters (who fit) that are available via FA or S&T and my answer is I don’t know. Free Agency does not in my opinion. I will not say that Hood is a great signing (unless it’s cheap... which is about <$8million/year). I was a Parker fan, but I’ve soured on that and know that I was wrong about him. I really think Aaron Gordon was our best shot at a quality starter at the beginning of FA. Unfortunately, he’s a 4. The FA group just isn’t the one for the Kings. If we look to trades, I just don’t see us having the assets to get one of the guys I want. The Wizards aren’t giving up Porter. I don’t even know if they will give up Oubre and tbh I don’t know if he’s the right guy anyway. I really think the Kings should just try to take on money in exchange for young talent and/or picks. I’ve been of that mindset for quite some time, but I know that’s not Vlade.

With all that being said, I will actually agree with you that Capela is currently our best shot at a quality starter now. I think that could change positively as early as the trade deadline. Players become available all the time. I think patience might be the best option at this point.

Also, the Capela dream technically isn’t dead. As PetrieUnderstudy said, we could just send Shumpert out with Willie for Capela. It works for both teams.
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Post#1338 » by codydaze » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:34 pm

If we gave Capela the 4/100 deal that would be required to steal him from Houston, he would come to Sacramento and not look like Houston Capela at all because he's in the perfect situation for him there and then everyone would be mad and our cap flexibility would be shot for the duration of the contract. If you think Capela was the answer for this team and roster then you are wrong. Simple as that.
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Post#1339 » by becorz » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:37 pm

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:Just throwing it out there, but the Minny fans that I’ve asked have said that Bjelica is definitely a combo forward who is better at the three. If you read season recaps on the guy, they will say the same thing. With that being said, I think Vlade intends to have Bjelica as our 3 moving forward. Just saying.


I agree that Bjelica can play the 3. I've watched videos when he was in Europe and he looked in better shape and more athletic. He was dunking versus last year with TWolves doing layups. If he could slim down like in Europe he'd be better at 3. Best comparison I see is Gallinari.

If I am taking the simplistic view on how the Kings are going to handle the SF position (assuming no big changes), I think Bjelica gives us flexibility in our lineups against different types of threes. If we are playing a bigger SF, we have Bjelica and Jackson there to guard them. If we are playing a smaller three, we have Bogdan and Buddy to play there (maybe with Bogi/Mason in the same backcourt with Fox).
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Post#1340 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:40 pm

It's important to note that the Kings have yet to make the Yogi Ferrell signing official. Seems like they want to make one more move in the coming days with their cap space before they use the room MLE on Yogi.

Another Tweet on Ferrell not signing yet.

What's everyone's guess, free agent signing or trade?

Wiggins for expiring and space. Fits LaVine offer mindset. Young, athletic some NBA success but still hope of even more upside.

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