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Re: Pre Draft Workout Thread 

Post#141 » by RookieWall » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:29 pm

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perezident wrote:I know its teasing but what do you rather...being in on the secret while its getting juicier? Or not being in the circle at all and wondering why everyone's laughing over there


There's no "secret" if all you are saying is "I know more, but I can't say anything yet". Being in on the "secret" would be like "I heard Cousins might be back for a 2nd workout...more to come".


This would also completely betray the trust we've built with people.

Again, if you'd prefer to get no information fine, but it seems silly to get upset with limited information which is more than most people would get.
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Re: Pre Draft Workout Thread 

Post#142 » by Castor_Troy » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:40 pm

RookieWall wrote:

I will tell you the player that DECLINED a 2nd workout was in the group of Hassan, Ekpe, Aldrich, and Orton, but can't tell you which due to not sacrificing my source.



Good not really high on any of those cats anyway...if it aint Cousins or Favors who cares, but maybe we've seen all we need to see with those two.
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Re: Pre Draft Workout Thread 

Post#143 » by mobiuseinz » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:46 pm

According to Amick:

The Kings are very high on Cousins, then Monroe and are also open to trading the pick.

Basically if Cousins doesn't fall into their laps, they will try and trade down and see if they can get Monroe or Whiteside with a later pick (depending who shows more in their 1 on 1 workout)
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Re: Pre Draft Workout Thread 

Post#144 » by Wolfay » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:12 pm

Woohoo! We like Cousins! Seriously, what a relief.
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Post#145 » by pillwenney » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:12 pm

Yeah, here's the link to the article by Jason Jones.

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/06/16/282582 ... k-big.html

Monroe and Whiteside on Saturday (that was said wild card, and yes, Monroe was said softy).

Others possibly to be announced.
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Post#146 » by Castor_Troy » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:25 pm

Per Chad Ford

"While GM Geoff Petrie still has his reservations about Cousins as a person, it sounds like the Kings have fallen in love with him as a player and he now has the edge over Greg Monroe for the No. 5 pick should Wes Johnson not be on the board."

"The Kings are also exploring trading picks, with one team (Detroit) squarely on the radar. If the Pistons would give up the No. 7 pick and Tayshaun Prince for the No. 5 pick and Andres Nocioni, I think they'd have a deal. But so far the Pistons have been adamant that they're holding on to Prince, and I don't think the Kings would do a Rip Hamilton-for-Nocioni swap."
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Post#147 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:46 pm

Well, lets actually consider everything that we mortals know (I swear to God if I ever reach the pinnacle of NBA Beat Writer status as I dream I will not tell some of you boys nothing... ;) )

Monroe and Whiteside, along with a handful or 2nd rounders are coming in for a workout on Saturday.

Unknowns/Considerations
1. Apparently, one of those two canceled a workout with another team, so apparently this workout means a lot. (Unconfirmed)

perezident wrote:I'm hearing one of these guys cancelled a workout just to come back. I wonder if he is getting some good responses?


So, apparently we really ARE that impressed with someone. While nothing has been mentioned about who canceled a workout, it could be really good or bad for us Monroe fans - if Monroe is feeling SO confident that he canceled a workout, we really DO like him and it destroys this as a smokescreen. If Whiteside canceled a workout for this, I'm 99% sure that means that our draft order is 1. Cousins, 2. Whiteside. Which is fine with me. If Whiteside DIDN'T cancel the workout, it still means we don't know who the Kings are favoring, and hopefully Whiteside dominates Monroe.

1a. Apparently a third party, consisting of one of Ekpe, Aldrich or Orton refused to join Hassan and Monroe for this workout (I know Rookie Wall had Hassan on that, but since he is already confirmed). Basically it must mean that one of those players (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Ekpe or Aldrich, considering that mitch already said that in their first workout, Aldrich and Ekpe were the 2nd and 3rd most impressive players behind Whiteside) and their agent know Sacto has limited their selection.


2. Apparently, the "Detroit Deal" has legs - despite it being some of the more quick-to-print ESPN insiders that continues to press it. Nocioni and the 2 years left on his deal as well as #5 for Prince and #7.

Let’s think about this rationally. Prince is a perfect fit for us at SF. Athletic, quick, a great defender, and a good shooter - everything we (basically) want Omri and Greene to turn into (although both COULD be better). Would we do this? If Whiteside is THAT impressive that we've called him in for a 2nd workout, or even had him CANCEL a workout, perhaps this isn't impossible.

If Cousins (and Favors, although we can forget about him) is apparently off the board, I'd do the deal and take Whiteside. I think if we look rationally this is a good backout plan, because we get the guy we want and get a + out of it. Of course, we could also take Monroe with that pick and make the pain of taking Monroe slightly lessened by getting Andris Locker-room-Buster Nocioni out.

3. Cousins had the most dominant workout we've had yet, and he will not work out for Minnesota. And, according to Amick as mobiuseinz pointed out, the Kings are in love with him.

Stuff we don't know about Cousins...

a. Is he coming back for another workout?
b. Will he be working out with anyone?
c. Is the reason his agent is declining a workout with Minny because they really feel Minny will take Johnson? Minny has been rumored to be heavily courting Rudy Gay for FA... why would they TAKE Johnson? Or does the agent believe that his client really would benefit not having two stud big men in front of him?

4. We aren't even looking at Johnson right now.

Making a realistic guess with what we know, and keeping in mind that I don't have the "sources" that DraftWall, mitch or apparently perezident have... Cousins will fall to us at #5, unless Minnesota is suicidal and taking a guy that doesn't want to be there (again) and didn't work out for them. If he gets taken by the Wolves, which I am growing convincingly sure won't happen, Monroe and Whiteside are fighting it out to be our backup contingency plan, and that opens up the Detroit deal.

So, overall, piecing everything together gives us a much clearer vision of what could go down next Thursday.
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Re: Pre Draft Workout Thread 

Post#148 » by princeofpalace » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:57 pm

^
Except you are missing the most important fact

If the Pistons move up it will be for Cousins, if he's not available they wont move up.
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Post#149 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:14 pm

I do suppose that was a dealbreaker that should have crossed my mind - but considering our front office is apparently drooling over him now, unless Whiteside or Monroe busts out of the building on Saturday, I don't think there is ANY way we'll be seeing him go to Detriot.
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Post#150 » by perezident » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:31 pm

Wow, you can be a beat writer lol. Thats the FIRST long post I've EVER read in its entirety. Lol.
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Post#151 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:05 pm

Thanks, I've had extensive practice at it.
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Post#152 » by RookieWall » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:32 pm

Lightning Strike wrote:Unknowns/Considerations
1. Apparently, one of those two canceled a workout with another team, so apparently this workout means a lot. (Unconfirmed)

perezident wrote:I'm hearing one of these guys cancelled a workout just to come back. I wonder if he is getting some good responses?


So, apparently we really ARE that impressed with someone. While nothing has been mentioned about who canceled a workout, it could be really good or bad for us Monroe fans - if Monroe is feeling SO confident that he canceled a workout, we really DO like him and it destroys this as a smokescreen. If Whiteside canceled a workout for this, I'm 99% sure that means that our draft order is 1. Cousins, 2. Whiteside. Which is fine with me. If Whiteside DIDN'T cancel the workout, it still means we don't know who the Kings are favoring, and hopefully Whiteside dominates Monroe.


I don't think the Kings know their 1, 2, 3 right now. There is no indication that Cousins is the top today, no decisions really until Saturday. Will be interesting.

Lightning Strike wrote:1a. Apparently a third party, consisting of one of Ekpe, Aldrich or Orton refused to join Hassan and Monroe for this workout (I know Rookie Wall had Hassan on that, but since he is already confirmed). Basically it must mean that one of those players (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Ekpe or Aldrich, considering that mitch already said that in their first workout, Aldrich and Ekpe were the 2nd and 3rd most impressive players behind Whiteside) and their agent know Sacto has limited their selection.


I'm fairly certain all the bigs in this draft Monroe, Aldrich, Udoh, Whiteside, Orton, etc. all had chances to work out for more than one team for a second time (not just the Kings, but most of the lottery teams from 5-13). Each one made a calculation and picked their spot.

Lightning Strike wrote:2. Apparently, the "Detroit Deal" has legs - despite it being some of the more quick-to-print ESPN insiders that continues to press it. Nocioni and the 2 years left on his deal as well as #5 for Prince and #7.

Let’s think about this rationally. Prince is a perfect fit for us at SF. Athletic, quick, a great defender, and a good shooter - everything we (basically) want Omri and Greene to turn into (although both COULD be better). Would we do this? If Whiteside is THAT impressive that we've called him in for a 2nd workout, or even had him CANCEL a workout, perhaps this isn't impossible.


Trading back, and not just for Whiteside, is definitely possible if they can add another piece and still get a player they like back. Like I said, the player(s) that opted for other 2nd workouts instead of the Kings still will be on the Kings radar.

Lightning Strike wrote:3. Cousins had the most dominant workout we've had yet, and he will not work out for Minnesota. And, according to Amick as mobiuseinz pointed out, the Kings are in love with him.

Stuff we don't know about Cousins...

a. Is he coming back for another workout?
b. Will he be working out with anyone?
c. Is the reason his agent is declining a workout with Minny because they really feel Minny will take Johnson? Minny has been rumored to be heavily courting Rudy Gay for FA... why would they TAKE Johnson? Or does the agent believe that his client really would benefit not having two stud big men in front of him?


a. Don't think he'll come back. He did what he needed to in his one workout, if the Kings don't want him now, a 2nd performance won't change their mind. If he comes back it may just be to meet with Petrie and sway his opinion.

b. Doubtful, unless its an assistant coach.

c. Johnson to the Timberwolves seems to be a lock.

Lightning Strike wrote:4. We aren't even looking at Johnson right now.

Making a realistic guess with what we know, and keeping in mind that I don't have the "sources" that DraftWall, mitch or apparently perezident have... Cousins will fall to us at #5, unless Minnesota is suicidal and taking a guy that doesn't want to be there (again) and didn't work out for them. If he gets taken by the Wolves, which I am growing convincingly sure won't happen, Monroe and Whiteside are fighting it out to be our backup contingency plan, and that opens up the Detroit deal.

So, overall, piecing everything together gives us a much clearer vision of what could go down next Thursday.


Not looking at Johnson because he's gone. If he's there, you can take him without working him out, they've seen him play enough.

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Re: Pre Draft Workout Thread 

Post#153 » by RIPskaterdude » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:11 am

RookieWall wrote:
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:
perezident wrote:I know its teasing but what do you rather...being in on the secret while its getting juicier? Or not being in the circle at all and wondering why everyone's laughing over there


There's no "secret" if all you are saying is "I know more, but I can't say anything yet". Being in on the "secret" would be like "I heard Cousins might be back for a 2nd workout...more to come".


This would also completely betray the trust we've built with people.

Again, if you'd prefer to get no information fine, but it seems silly to get upset with limited information which is more than most people would get.


I'm not saying you in general, it just seems like there's been more people than usual who "suddenly" have sources about this and that...but can't say anything about it. Saying small bits, like, "someone declined a workout" is good, because that's actual news. Saying "my source told me something today, but I can't say anything until next week" is NOT actual news.
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Post#154 » by RIPskaterdude » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:29 am

Jerry Reynolds was just on 1140, and everytime they talked about the draft, he made it feel like the Kings are REALLY considering moving back. Was very interesting to listen to..
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Post#155 » by RookieWall » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:32 am

I think my last post gives sufficient info without me feeling like I'm breaching a confidence of someone.
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Post#156 » by KF10 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:34 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:Jerry Reynolds was just on 1140, and everytime they talked about the draft, he made it feel like the Kings are REALLY considering moving back. Was very interesting to listen to..


Yeah, I'm following Reynolds for the past couple of weeks via radio. He does iterate that notion a bit everytime he is on the air.

I think it is reasonable to say that the Kings are very open in trading down if it is beneficial to the team.
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Post#157 » by RookieWall » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:46 am

KF10 wrote:
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:Jerry Reynolds was just on 1140, and everytime they talked about the draft, he made it feel like the Kings are REALLY considering moving back. Was very interesting to listen to..


Yeah, I'm following Reynolds for the past couple of weeks via radio. He does iterate that notion a bit everytime he is on the air.

I think it is reasonable to say that the Kings are very open in trading down if it is beneficial to the team.


Absolutely. They know Cousins should be there at 5. If they don't want him and can trade down and get their target (whoever that is) and add a piece they'll do it. Not to mention they can unload a contract and unhappy player in Nocioni.
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Post#158 » by RIPskaterdude » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:26 am

RookieWall wrote:I think my last post gives sufficient info without me feeling like I'm breaching a confidence of someone.


Again, wasn't calling you out, just saying in general.
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Post#159 » by RoyalCourtJestr » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:08 am

RookieWall wrote:And its - TheRookieWall. ;)

Good report


:oops: Soooorrryy *Smacks self*

If we are so interested in moving down, or consider it such a viable option, it doesn't mix with our apparent love for Cousins. Either we love him, or we'll move down. Which is more likely?
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Post#160 » by RIPskaterdude » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:13 am

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RookieWall wrote:And its - TheRookieWall. ;)

Good report


:oops: Soooorrryy *Smacks self*

If we are so interested in moving down, or consider it such a viable option, it doesn't mix with our apparent love for Cousins. Either we love him, or we'll move down. Which is more likely?


Or maybe Petrie has heard some talk of someone moving up to #4 for Cousins? A certain Northern Californian team was rumored to want to move up from the 6th spot...

There's nothing wrong with making a plan B.
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