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Post#141 » by City of Trees » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:34 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:You guys have to understand something, the top tier coaches aren't even going to consider Sacramento. Period. I also see a first time coach's agent begging his client to stay away in fear that it could prematurely ruin their chances in the future. That's why it's imperative they find a coach that fits the vision of the type of team Vlade is trying to build. I just really hope McHale is interested because I have very little doubt that once he and Vlade get in a room together he isn't the last coach standing.

Also, this search is a good indicator of the type of summer the Kings are looking at as it pertains to free agency. Sorry, Sac's the outhouse on the market this summer. Vlade is going to have to be creative with his trades and signings. If they keep the pick that's a good start of having an asset that could help land some needs via trade.


Is there anyone in the thread who doesn't understand the first sentence?

Not wanting scrubs interviewed/considered doesn't equal wanting the big fish



I'm not super happy with many of the names, but you have some around here that think/thought Thibs, Brooks, Udoka, Blatt, JVG, etc. are/were real options. So, if you're going to have any kind of exhaustive search what names are even left besides the plethora of scrubs and short tenured assistants??? I'd be surprised to see some of the up and coming or upper echelon names not at least interview or use the Kings as leverage to drive up their price, but taking the job is a whole other deal.

Vlade needs to get this wrapped up if McHale is willing to listen. He's the guy for so many reasons.

Good link about McHale's path after the Celtics

http://heavy.com/sports/2015/05/kevin-mchale-wife-daughter-height-age-salary-basketball/

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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#142 » by FrodoBaggins » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:19 pm

Being a Kings fan sucks. What's the best coach that'll get us the most success next season? One that doesn't get in Cousins' way. Not really saying much, because there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of making the playoffs with Demarcus. I don't think even the 2nd tier guys will want to come here, let alone the guys who are established coaches that have been out of the game for awhile (Woodson/McMillan/Hollins/etc)... Best hope is to get some assistant coach from a good team. It's all scatter shot until the Cousins situation is handled..
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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#143 » by jeffjtk1234 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:23 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:Being a Kings fan sucks. What's the best coach that'll get us the most success next season? One that doesn't get in Cousins' way. Not really saying much, because there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of making the playoffs with Demarcus. I don't think even the 2nd tier guys will want to come here, let alone the guys who are established coaches that have been out of the game for awhile (Woodson/McMillan/Hollins/etc)... Best hope is to get some assistant coach from a good team. It's all scatter shot until the Cousins situation is handled..


Demarcus isn't going anywhere right now. You are better off accepting it and moving forward.


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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#144 » by City of Trees » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:46 pm

I don't get the impression the guys hate DeMarcus Cousins... You can clearly see they dislike when he is throwing a tantrum on the court (which is often)...

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Post#145 » by Kings2013 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:40 pm

Not as big on Idoka or Walton as most. Udoka has low key energy IMO, and I don't know how many coaches couldn't have had that Warriors team buzzing
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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#146 » by codydaze » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:31 pm

Kings2013 wrote:Not as big on Idoka or Walton as most. Udoka has low key energy IMO, and I don't know how many coaches couldn't have had that Warriors team buzzing


Can't say I agree. With Thibs off the board I think Walton should be our number one target with McHale a close second. I also think Udoka will be a solid coach. He's in the Popovich family tree and that track record has generally produced good coaches that know the game.
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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#147 » by Jkam31 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:54 pm

jeffjtk1234 wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:Being a Kings fan sucks. What's the best coach that'll get us the most success next season? One that doesn't get in Cousins' way. Not really saying much, because there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of making the playoffs with Demarcus. I don't think even the 2nd tier guys will want to come here, let alone the guys who are established coaches that have been out of the game for awhile (Woodson/McMillan/Hollins/etc)... Best hope is to get some assistant coach from a good team. It's all scatter shot until the Cousins situation is handled..


Demarcus isn't going anywhere right now. You are better off accepting it and moving forward.


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He'll find something else to bitch about even if DMC were to be traded


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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#148 » by Pistol King » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:29 pm

I'm curios how guys you think Blatt's fit would be as your head coach. I personally a big fan of him and his resume, if it was up to me I'd take him before any other name that was thrown here and it's pretty interesting that his name was coming up here just under names of unproven coaches like Udoka, Walton and a scrub like Brooks. blatt's contract to a 4-5 years deal with a freedom to build his system would be amazing IMO for any organization that looking to build a system with young guys. Your organization was come to mind.
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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#149 » by Silver Man » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:08 pm

Pistol King wrote:I'm curios how guys you think Blatt's fit would be as your head coach. I personally a big fan of him and his resume, if it was up to me I'd take him before any other name that was thrown here and it's pretty interesting that his name was coming up here just under names of unproven coaches like Udoka, Walton and a scrub like Brooks. blatt's contract to a 4-5 years deal with a freedom to build his system would be amazing IMO for any organization that looking to build a system with young guys. Your organization was come to mind.


With the team we have not well, because his success comes from running the Princeton offense and our roster isn't designed to be successful running it.
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Post#150 » by Jkam31 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:17 am

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Pistol King wrote:I'm curios how guys you think Blatt's fit would be as your head coach. I personally a big fan of him and his resume, if it was up to me I'd take him before any other name that was thrown here and it's pretty interesting that his name was coming up here just under names of unproven coaches like Udoka, Walton and a scrub like Brooks. blatt's contract to a 4-5 years deal with a freedom to build his system would be amazing IMO for any organization that looking to build a system with young guys. Your organization was come to mind.


With the team we have not well, because his success comes from running the Princeton offense and our roster isn't designed to be successful running it.


Getting rid of Gay and Rondo would help.


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Post#151 » by teerfour+40LG » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:52 pm

Pistol King wrote:I'm curios how guys you think Blatt's fit would be as your head coach. I personally a big fan of him and his resume, if it was up to me I'd take him before any other name that was thrown here and it's pretty interesting that his name was coming up here just under names of unproven coaches like Udoka, Walton and a scrub like Brooks. blatt's contract to a 4-5 years deal with a freedom to build his system would be amazing IMO for any organization that looking to build a system with young guys. Your organization was come to mind.

One of the complaints out of our locker room this year was that George Karl didn't hold his players equally accountable. We had Cuz, Gay, and Rondo basically begging for Karl not to be afraid to call them out on their mistakes and to actually coach.

That was a big problem with Blatt, wasn't it? The guy sucked up to his stars. Although he is a good coach, we can't have suckups here. here.
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Post#152 » by City of Trees » Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:40 pm

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Pistol King wrote:I'm curios how guys you think Blatt's fit would be as your head coach. I personally a big fan of him and his resume, if it was up to me I'd take him before any other name that was thrown here and it's pretty interesting that his name was coming up here just under names of unproven coaches like Udoka, Walton and a scrub like Brooks. blatt's contract to a 4-5 years deal with a freedom to build his system would be amazing IMO for any organization that looking to build a system with young guys. Your organization was come to mind.


With the team we have not well, because his success comes from running the Princeton offense and our roster isn't designed to be successful running it.


Getting rid of Gay and Rondo would help.


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Post#153 » by Jkam31 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:24 pm

No Blatt was dead on arrival cause of Lebron. If Lebron didn't run things there Blatt would still be coaching just like Coach Spo is still in Miami.

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Pistol King wrote:I'm curios how guys you think Blatt's fit would be as your head coach. I personally a big fan of him and his resume, if it was up to me I'd take him before any other name that was thrown here and it's pretty interesting that his name was coming up here just under names of unproven coaches like Udoka, Walton and a scrub like Brooks. blatt's contract to a 4-5 years deal with a freedom to build his system would be amazing IMO for any organization that looking to build a system with young guys. Your organization was come to mind.

One of the complaints out of our locker room this year was that George Karl didn't hold his players equally accountable. We had Cuz, Gay, and Rondo basically begging for Karl not to be afraid to call them out on their mistakes and to actually coach.

That was a big problem with Blatt, wasn't it? The guy sucked up to his stars. Although he is a good coach, we can't have suckups here. here.




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Post#154 » by teerfour+40LG » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:53 pm

Caron Butler says good things about Vinny Del Negro in this clip at ~14:00 (https://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/caron-butler-interview-w-the-drive.mp3)

Of course, this is with his return next year in question and right after saying he felt the organization lied to him and ripped him off.
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Post#155 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:04 pm

Silver Man wrote:
Pistol King wrote:I'm curios how guys you think Blatt's fit would be as your head coach. I personally a big fan of him and his resume, if it was up to me I'd take him before any other name that was thrown here and it's pretty interesting that his name was coming up here just under names of unproven coaches like Udoka, Walton and a scrub like Brooks. blatt's contract to a 4-5 years deal with a freedom to build his system would be amazing IMO for any organization that looking to build a system with young guys. Your organization was come to mind.


With the team we have not well, because his success comes from running the Princeton offense and our roster isn't designed to be successful running it.



These days the Princeton is a staple in some way for almost every team. Cuz could help return the high post big man passing any time they choose to use it.

As for Blatt, I don't know. It's always hard to tell what a coach is at the NBA level when he's coming into a pre-built environment. I've seen him in interviews off the court and he seems like a bit of a hard ass with some degree sarcastic wit. That would either work really well, or not. I don't see anything that says "stay away" out of Blatt, so that's good I guess.
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Post#156 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:14 pm

teerfour+40LG wrote:Caron Butler says good things about Vinny Del Negro in this clip at ~14:00 (https://cbssacramento.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/caron-butler-interview-w-the-drive.mp3)

Of course, this is with his return next year in question and right after saying he felt the organization lied to him and ripped him off.



I've never quite understood the negativity around Del Negro. He may not be a great head coach but I've never watched him and thought he was terrible.
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Post#157 » by Silver Man » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:02 pm

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Pistol King wrote:I'm curios how guys you think Blatt's fit would be as your head coach. I personally a big fan of him and his resume, if it was up to me I'd take him before any other name that was thrown here and it's pretty interesting that his name was coming up here just under names of unproven coaches like Udoka, Walton and a scrub like Brooks. blatt's contract to a 4-5 years deal with a freedom to build his system would be amazing IMO for any organization that looking to build a system with young guys. Your organization was come to mind.


With the team we have not well, because his success comes from running the Princeton offense and our roster isn't designed to be successful running it.



These days the Princeton is a staple in some way for almost every team. Cuz could help return the high post big man passing any time they choose to use it.

As for Blatt, I don't know. It's always hard to tell what a coach is at the NBA level when he's coming into a pre-built environment. I've seen him in interviews off the court and he seems like a bit of a hard ass with some degree sarcastic wit. That would either work really well, or not. I don't see anything that says "stay away" out of Blatt, so that's good I guess.


Would much rather have Cousins in the post the majority of the time than in the high post.
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Post#158 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:40 pm

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With the team we have not well, because his success comes from running the Princeton offense and our roster isn't designed to be successful running it.



These days the Princeton is a staple in some way for almost every team. Cuz could help return the high post big man passing any time they choose to use it.

As for Blatt, I don't know. It's always hard to tell what a coach is at the NBA level when he's coming into a pre-built environment. I've seen him in interviews off the court and he seems like a bit of a hard ass with some degree sarcastic wit. That would either work really well, or not. I don't see anything that says "stay away" out of Blatt, so that's good I guess.


Would much rather have Cousins in the post the majority of the time than in the high post.


That was a part of the Kings gameplan back in the day with Webber and Vlade too. It won't go away. I just hope we don't see any more 5 spread offenses or a 4 spread with the only player inside being a lob/offensive rebounding threat.
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Post#159 » by Kings2013 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:52 am

But the process is off to a bad start

One interview so far with an unenthusing candidate who has PR issues in Mitchell. A candidate who shouldn't be considered IMO

There are still question marks about Vlade, and let s hope it gets better
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Re: Karl Officially Out, Who's the best fit to replace him? 

Post#160 » by City of Trees » Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:58 am

The Kings do nothing well. Get it in gear Vlade.

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