2023-2024 Trade Thread

[OxAndFox]

What this performance should highlight to people is the Kings aren't a half-decent player away. They are A LONG way away. I'm not trading anyone until next off season still unless its a knock it out of the park deal. Don't ruin future assets just to waste time this season. This team will make the POs, potentially just the Play In. But a trade isn't going to turn this team around to be a contender this season. Lauri certainly isn't. Siakam isn't and won't sign and
Lavine you could gamble on raising his negative value for an off season flip, and make him the 2nd scorer, but as suggested, it's a gamble.

Yeah, I'm shaking in my boots over the mighty Timberwolves/Nuggets/Thunder who we are 4-1 against (that b2b game against min).

We might not traditionally be a contending team with another good player, but there aren't really any great teams in modern times that we are facing.

That is true it's wide open at the moment. What we know though is that this group has chemistry, great chemistry. You don't want to make a move for the sake of making a move ie trading Barnes and Huerter and ruining that unless its a terrific fit. They're a good team. A team that will be in the PO race all the way and potentially could win a series, which would be huge for them. This is not a great team though as we all know. The next move is pivotal to whether or not it turns into a great team IMO.

[KF10]

While I do agree, and certainly you have to put Keegan in that inconsistent group, this is a good team, not a great one. At this point should they be more advanced? I'm not sure.
I have been saying for a while, Huerter gets a few shots to open the game and then his shots dry up for the most part. It puts a lot of pressure on his opening shots, hits them and he stays on the floor, misses them and he's off. He has done a much better job at the defensive end and is rebounding better than Barnes and Keegan.
Barnes is in a similar boat.

I'm willing to give Brown the benefit of the doubt. He is messing with the rotations a lot. I do believe that Duarte will eventually become that SG starter long term, like multiple years with a good contract. A defensive player that can still shoot the 3. It's clear they have been working with him on not taking ill advised mid range shots and defending without fouling. Roughly 20mpg and Monk plays starter minutes. You just have to put Monk on the court.

It's the defensive 4 that we still covet IMO. An Ibaka type. They don't grow on trees though.

I would say yes.

They basically told us they are going to run it back this season.

The front office had supreme confidence that this current core will build and grow this season. If the expectation was that this team will build from last season's success, I'll give them a "not pass" grade so far.

Even if the record is better at this point of season than last season, the Kings are only +0.5 in net rating. For a good stretch of this season, they were hovering in the negative. The Kings had bad (big margin) losses this season. The team doesn't seem to be comfortable on the floor offensively when you compare them to last season. Are the players buying in within this iteration of the team offense?

I agree that Brown has been messing around with the rotations a lot. Even with a winning record, if this team is still figuring out rotations at this point of the season, I don't think it's a good look, imo.

This team needs an upgrade in defensive personnel. But according to Amick (iirc) not too long ago, the Kings are prioritizing O over D. It sounds like they are punting on D and overvaluing for O.

[BoogieTime]

we're not relying on that early bird for Malik at this point.. need to get below the cap, and thats another reason for a trade for some ending contracts... perhaps a big one

[KF10]

The SG position is wide open. Need an upgrade here.

Huerter got relegated to the bench due to poor shooting. I like Duarte but don’t see him as a long term starter.

[LightTheBeam]

The SG position is wide open. Need an upgrade here.

Huerter got relegated to the bench due to poor shooting. I like Duarte but don’t see him as a long term starter.

Everyone hyper focused on getting a 4, but 2 spot is even worse. I also don't know that we can outbid any team for a true difference maker.

I'm here at this point-

Huerter, Mitchell, Duarte, 1st for O'neale, DFS.

It's not the star trade we want, but it adds 2 solid 3&d players to the lineup. Barnes shifts to bench and still is a tradeable piece when we need it.

Fox - O'Neale - Murray - DFS - Sabonis
That's a good defensive starting lineup with plenty of 3pt shooting.
Bench is really Monk - Barnes - Lyles which is above average 3 guys. All who can shoot, all who can draw fouls. I think Barnes would look fine off the bench not being asked to guard the paolos of the world. Overpaid but that's okay for now.

[BoogieTime]

we need to start to talk about McNair waiting on contracts

why does it take you til Mitchell/Huerter have no or negative value to move?

[KF10]

The SG position is wide open. Need an upgrade here.

Huerter got relegated to the bench due to poor shooting. I like Duarte but don’t see him as a long term starter.

Everyone hyper focused on getting a 4, but 2 spot is even worse. I also don't know that we can outbid any team for a true difference maker.

I'm here at this point-

Huerter, Mitchell, Duarte, 1st for O'neale, DFS.

It's not the star trade we want, but it adds 2 solid 3&d players to the lineup. Barnes shifts to bench and still is a tradeable piece when we need it.

Fox - O'Neale - Murray - DFS - Sabonis
That's a good defensive starting lineup with plenty of 3pt shooting.
Bench is really Monk - Barnes - Lyles which is above average 3 guys. All who can shoot, all who can draw fouls. I think Barnes would look fine off the bench not being asked to guard the paolos of the world. Overpaid but that's okay for now.

I’ll do that for sure but not sure the other team would.

I’ve (and everyone else) been hard on Barnes but if he played the way he did today on a consistent basis, I would be fine keeping him. And go all-in at upgrading the 2 spot.

[LightTheBeam]

The SG position is wide open. Need an upgrade here.

Huerter got relegated to the bench due to poor shooting. I like Duarte but don’t see him as a long term starter.

Everyone hyper focused on getting a 4, but 2 spot is even worse. I also don't know that we can outbid any team for a true difference maker.

I'm here at this point-

Huerter, Mitchell, Duarte, 1st for O'neale, DFS.

It's not the star trade we want, but it adds 2 solid 3&d players to the lineup. Barnes shifts to bench and still is a tradeable piece when we need it.

Fox - O'Neale - Murray - DFS - Sabonis
That's a good defensive starting lineup with plenty of 3pt shooting.
Bench is really Monk - Barnes - Lyles which is above average 3 guys. All who can shoot, all who can draw fouls. I think Barnes would look fine off the bench not being asked to guard the paolos of the world. Overpaid but that's okay for now.

I’ll do that for sure but not sure the other team would.

I’ve (and everyone else) been hard on Barnes but if he played the way he did today on a consistent basis, I would be fine keeping him. And go all-in at upgrading the 2 spot.

I've been super critical of Barnes. But half his issues are himself being to passive. The other is that he's not good enough defensively to be tasked with guarding opposing teams best wings. I still think we need to upgrade him, I won't get tricked by this game, but right now we get playing mitchell, Duarte, huerter for a combined negative. That can't happen. Those 3 all need to go.

[KF10]

I've been super critical of Barnes. But half his issues are himself being to passive. The other is that he's not good enough defensively to be tasked with guarding opposing teams best wings. I still think we need to upgrade him, I won't get tricked by this game, but right now we get playing mitchell, Duarte, huerter for a combined negative. That can't happen. Those 3 all need to go.

I agree.

A combination of Barnes, Huerter, Mitchell, & Duarte trade package should yield something! Come on Monte! Work your magic lol

[FarBeyondDriven]

nobody running Monk and Huerter out there to play major minutes or starting Harrison Barnes is a serious contender. I've been resigned to this result since our underwhelming draft night and no major trade in the offseason. Everyone else seemingly addressed major needs and we basically stood pat with a very flawed roster. I don't see us having the stones to make a major trade but at least do something to give us a spark and an upgrade at either the 2 or 4.

Keegan did what I expected him to do which was to pack on some lbs and become a better defender. Now, if he has anything chance to repeat that type of improvement he needs to go on the Giannis sauce and come in even bigger but also more conditioned so he's got more energy to attack. Only then can he reach his potential. But if we aren't seeing a noticeable difference come training camp it's likely not in the cards for him and I'd look to move him while his value is still high around the league.

? Monk is probably the best 6th man in the league.

It's a plug and play position in our offense that provides guys wide open threes. Whether it's Hield, Huerter or Monk we've gotten pretty identical production offensively from all of them. And each and every one of them is a defensive liability whose defense pretty much negates all of their offense. Maybe it wouldn't be such a big deal if we had a better defensive center or PF with actual PF size but we don't so I'd rather have a longer athlete at the 2 who can defend at the expense of some shooting than spinning our wheels like we have been. I'd be fine with either as 6th man but we need more defense. Having both hurts us.

[blind prophet]

I'm telling you guys, too much financial risk on the Huerter contract.

Could be Thornton 2.0

Maybe we can somehow BellyNelly him though?

[OxAndFox]

I'm telling you guys, too much financial risk on the Huerter contract.

Could be Thornton 2.0

Maybe we can somehow BellyNelly him though?

Huerter is 11.5% of the cap this season.
In the most conservative estimate so far the salary cap only jumps 4.4% to $142m. It would still only be 11.8% of the cap. If the cap jumps the full 10% he would be around 11.2%. It's an easy deal to get off if the FO wants to.

Thornton was 13.9% of the cap before being traded which would equate to $18.9m this season.

I don't see the financial comparison at all.

[BoogieTime]

According to Jake Fischer Huerter/Barnes/Mitchell on the block, for McNair’s sake we will assume they were before arguably holding negative or neutral value. The Kings hold all their picks beyond the Atlanta pick the article stipulates

[City of Trees]

According to Jake Fischer Huerter/Barnes/Mitchell on the block, for McNair’s sake we will assume they were before arguably holding negative or neutral value. The Kings hold all their picks beyond the Atlanta pick the article stipulates

I think it's safe to say this was always the trade package offered by Monty dating back to last season.

[BoogieTime]

for the record, I feel bad about Harrison's situation. Guy has been through the mud here and is the consummate pro. He wanted to stay. He just doesn't have the wheels anymore. Huerter and Davion, I don't care much about, and going public may align with their desires to leave

[City of Trees]

for the record, I feel bad about Harrison's situation. Guy has been through the mud here and is the consummate pro. He wanted to stay. He just doesn't have the wheels anymore. Huerter and Davion, I don't care much about, and going public may align with their desires to leave

I feel bad for Barnes as well but in the end he got his shot and bricked it in Game 4. Ball in his hands with the game on the line against your old team up 2-1 in the playoffs. He got his chance to rewrite his career. As a player you can't ask for more.

[City of Trees]

Davion's camp should be onboard with a trade. There is no room for him to grow playing in Fox's shadow.

Huerter will definitely cry in the car

[blind prophet]

I'm telling you guys, too much financial risk on the Huerter contract.

Could be Thornton 2.0

Maybe we can somehow BellyNelly him though?

Huerter is 11.5% of the cap this season.
In the most conservative estimate so far the salary cap only jumps 4.4% to $142m. It would still only be 11.8% of the cap. If the cap jumps the full 10% he would be around 11.2%. It's an easy deal to get off if the FO wants to.

Thornton was 13.9% of the cap before being traded which would equate to $18.9m this season.

I don't see the financial comparison at all.

Completely disagree.

I remember Thornton on a multi year deal, over paid, then leading to some handcuffs with cap space. Paying to offload him.

I see Huerter on a multi year deal, out of the rotation, not precisely cheap and find it interesting you think 2-3% of cap room expended makes some sort of contrarian argument. Waste of money = waste of money. He ain't holding up his end of the bargain today.

I remember the same sort of rhetoric with Jason Thompson, not being a double double guy but called one. Years go by and same people saying we could just move him etc.

Sprinkle in some dirty laundry and welcome Jarl Thompandry.

We just paid to offload Holmes.

If you can't see the financial risk....

Monk won't be cheap either.

He is possibly our next Thornton & I don't see his value as just being able to dump potentially long term as a guarantee.

[BoogieTime]

Davion's camp should be onboard with a trade. There is no room for him to grow playing in Fox's shadow.

Huerter will definitely cry in the car

I'd think Huerter would be pissed about being benched. He doesn't strike me as a self-accountable guy, and may blame others for the demotion. His trade availability aligns pretty closely with the benching

[City of Trees]

Monte will not be used as leverage

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