Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[jeffjtk1234]

Take this Jokic nonsense to the Denver board dude.


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[SacKingZZZ]

Trading for Jokic is a great idea but Denver is in love with him and he is cheap. Great target for a trade if you can convince Denver to let him go. How bad do you want to get rid of Cousins? Very difficult for either team to turn loose of a star or a budding star.

Very

Sounds familiar.

I strongly disagree with this at this point.

[SacKingZZZ]

It's all about what the "stars" want. The NBA is realigning without a doubt. As always, every team is going to have to prepare for free agency. Hard to say when a star player must be traded, if at all. The Melo and DWill trades probably set the mark for recovery of an asset but in today's market every player moves at some point. Perhaps the new normal is just to watch your best player walk. The smart gm's plan ahead and find the replacement.

I touched on this earlier, but I would take into consideration the next CBA. That could very well play a major part in a team like the Kings losing Demarcus Cousins for nothing or not, or even losing him at all.

[TunaFish]

I don't think the players are going to allow something like a franchise tag or anything like the NFL. Fans would love it but the players would hate it. Maybe they could set a hard cap? Don't think the players would go for that either. It is going to a take real compromise to end this present system of free agency.

All the teams are taking a hard look at their own future free agents about now.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't think the players are going to allow something like a franchise tag or anything like the NFL. Fans would love it but the players would hate it. Maybe they could set a hard cap? Don't think the players would go for that either. It is going to a take real compromise to end this present system of free agency.

All the teams are taking a hard look at their own future free agents about now.

Owners know that when the cap starts to flatten out they are going to be screwed with some of these deals. Yeah, they'll push for a hard cap for sure and with that would have to come some sort of franchise tag. I hate to say it but with Durant going to the W's that probably just made an extended lockout unavoidable on the basis of competition alone. The Cavs too. They were able to get how many number 1 picks and then when they were done Lebron comes waltzing back into the picture with Kevin Love in tow. One major point of the salary cap is competitive balance.

[TunaFish]

I don't think the players are going to allow something like a franchise tag or anything like the NFL. Fans would love it but the players would hate it. Maybe they could set a hard cap? Don't think the players would go for that either. It is going to a take real compromise to end this present system of free agency.

All the teams are taking a hard look at their own future free agents about now.

Owners know that when the cap starts to flatten out they are going to be screwed with some of these deals. Yeah, they'll push for a hard cap for sure and with that would have to come some sort of franchise tag. I hate to say it but with Durant going to the W's that probably just made an extended lockout unavoidable on the basis of competition alone. The Cavs too. They were able to get how many number 1 picks and then when they were done Lebron comes waltzing back into the picture with Kevin Love in tow. One major point of the salary cap is competitive balance.

I hope you are right but I think the free agency ship has sailed and it will be difficult to get back to competitive balance.

[Jkam31]

We make the playoffs this year and Cousins retires a king book it.
He's not a coward (I'm looking at you KD) and loved the city and Vlade. A playoff spot means we hit on our FA and trades and with a cap and new arena we will get FAs next summer.

I agree with you! I hope I haven't given the impression that I don't like Boogie as a player. Boogie is my favorite player. If he got his head on 100% straight, he could be the most dominant player on Earth. He's an absolutely incredible talent.

But that's exactly why we have to trade him! A guy that talented is not going to sign an extension, through the prime of his career, to play on a team that can't even get him to the 8th seed in the playoffs! Why would he?!? That guy loves Sacramento, but he wants to win. If they can't build a contender around him in 8 years, I would be willing to wager that he will leave Sacramento and go somewhere that can. We see it every year in the NBA. Unrestricted Free Agents leaving small market teams to chase titles elsewhere.

If they don't trade him this Summer, they almost certainly are going to have to trade him by next Summer, no matter what. So what's the point of delaying the inevitable? Both parties will be better off in the long run.

I'll always root for Boogie no matter what, but I'm a Kings fan first and foremost. I have loved the Sacramento Kings since before Boogie was born, and I will continue to be a Kings fan whether he plays here or not. I care more about the team, and the vitality of the future of the franchise, than I care about any individual player.

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[c3j3h]

We make the playoffs this year and Cousins retires a king book it.
He's not a coward (I'm looking at you KD) and loved the city and Vlade. A playoff spot means we hit on our FA and trades and with a cap and new arena we will get FAs next summer.

I agree with you! I hope I haven't given the impression that I don't like Boogie as a player. Boogie is my favorite player. If he got his head on 100% straight, he could be the most dominant player on Earth. He's an absolutely incredible talent.

But that's exactly why we have to trade him! A guy that talented is not going to sign an extension, through the prime of his career, to play on a team that can't even get him to the 8th seed in the playoffs! Why would he?!? That guy loves Sacramento, but he wants to win. If they can't build a contender around him in 8 years, I would be willing to wager that he will leave Sacramento and go somewhere that can. We see it every year in the NBA. Unrestricted Free Agents leaving small market teams to chase titles elsewhere.

If they don't trade him this Summer, they almost certainly are going to have to trade him by next Summer, no matter what. So what's the point of delaying the inevitable? Both parties will be better off in the long run.

I'll always root for Boogie no matter what, but I'm a Kings fan first and foremost. I have loved the Sacramento Kings since before Boogie was born, and I will continue to be a Kings fan whether he plays here or not. I care more about the team, and the vitality of the future of the franchise, than I care about any individual player.

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Quoting this so we can remember this conversation a year from now.

[c3j3h]

It's all about what the "stars" want. The NBA is realigning without a doubt. As always, every team is going to have to prepare for free agency. Hard to say when a star player must be traded, if at all. The Melo and DWill trades probably set the mark for recovery of an asset but in today's market every player moves at some point. Perhaps the new normal is just to watch your best player walk. The smart gm's plan ahead and find the replacement.

I touched on this earlier, but I would take into consideration the next CBA. That could very well play a major part in a team like the Kings losing Demarcus Cousins for nothing or not, or even losing him at all.

So you're saying that the plan is to hope that the next CBA prevents Boogie from leaving?!?

[SacKingZZZ]

It's all about what the "stars" want. The NBA is realigning without a doubt. As always, every team is going to have to prepare for free agency. Hard to say when a star player must be traded, if at all. The Melo and DWill trades probably set the mark for recovery of an asset but in today's market every player moves at some point. Perhaps the new normal is just to watch your best player walk. The smart gm's plan ahead and find the replacement.

I touched on this earlier, but I would take into consideration the next CBA. That could very well play a major part in a team like the Kings losing Demarcus Cousins for nothing or not, or even losing him at all.

So you're saying that the plan is to hope that the next CBA prevents Boogie from leaving?!?

I'm saying it could surely factor in, in particular in the potential of losing him for nothing, but the plan remains the same as it has been, start winning and show Cousins this can work. That's the only true way.

[c3j3h]

I touched on this earlier, but I would take into consideration the next CBA. That could very well play a major part in a team like the Kings losing Demarcus Cousins for nothing or not, or even losing him at all.

So you're saying that the plan is to hope that the next CBA prevents Boogie from leaving?!?

I'm saying it could surely factor in, in particular in the potential of losing him for nothing, but the plan remains the same as it has been, start winning and show Cousins this can work. That's the only true way.

Wait are you the guy that told me that Courtney Lee and Solomon Hill would make a better defensive combo than Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green? This is starting to make a lot more sense.

Gonna go ahead and bow out of this now...

[Kings2013]

We make the playoffs this year and Cousins retires a king book it.
He's not a coward (I'm looking at you KD) and loved the city and Vlade. A playoff spot means we hit on our FA and trades and with a cap and new arena we will get FAs next summer.

I agree with you! I hope I haven't given the impression that I don't like Boogie as a player. Boogie is my favorite player. If he got his head on 100% straight, he could be the most dominant player on Earth. He's an absolutely incredible talent.

But that's exactly why we have to trade him! A guy that talented is not going to sign an extension, through the prime of his career, to play on a team that can't even get him to the 8th seed in the playoffs! Why would he?!? That guy loves Sacramento, but he wants to win. If they can't build a contender around him in 8 years, I would be willing to wager that he will leave Sacramento and go somewhere that can. We see it every year in the NBA. Unrestricted Free Agents leaving small market teams to chase titles elsewhere.

If they don't trade him this Summer, they almost certainly are going to have to trade him by next Summer, no matter what. So what's the point of delaying the inevitable? Both parties will be better off in the long run.

I'll always root for Boogie no matter what, but I'm a Kings fan first and foremost. I have loved the Sacramento Kings since before Boogie was born, and I will continue to be a Kings fan whether he plays here or not. I care more about the team, and the vitality of the future of the franchise, than I care about any individual player.

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One of the things that could chase away Cousins is the, IMO, lack of respect from the city. His tolerance and not demanding a trade is in its last legs, so you can't have a media (Napear/Voison/Furrillo) or a large section of the fanbase driving him out of town so to speak without the line finally being crossed, which would be unfortunate for those who support him. The bad will has to come to a stop before his decision, hopefully by the start of next season. I don't think c3j3h is a part of that, he's just looking at it as he thinks prudent

[c3j3h]

We make the playoffs this year and Cousins retires a king book it.
He's not a coward (I'm looking at you KD) and loved the city and Vlade. A playoff spot means we hit on our FA and trades and with a cap and new arena we will get FAs next summer.

I agree with you! I hope I haven't given the impression that I don't like Boogie as a player. Boogie is my favorite player. If he got his head on 100% straight, he could be the most dominant player on Earth. He's an absolutely incredible talent.

But that's exactly why we have to trade him! A guy that talented is not going to sign an extension, through the prime of his career, to play on a team that can't even get him to the 8th seed in the playoffs! Why would he?!? That guy loves Sacramento, but he wants to win. If they can't build a contender around him in 8 years, I would be willing to wager that he will leave Sacramento and go somewhere that can. We see it every year in the NBA. Unrestricted Free Agents leaving small market teams to chase titles elsewhere.

If they don't trade him this Summer, they almost certainly are going to have to trade him by next Summer, no matter what. So what's the point of delaying the inevitable? Both parties will be better off in the long run.

I'll always root for Boogie no matter what, but I'm a Kings fan first and foremost. I have loved the Sacramento Kings since before Boogie was born, and I will continue to be a Kings fan whether he plays here or not. I care more about the team, and the vitality of the future of the franchise, than I care about any individual player.

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One of the things that could chase away Cousins is the, IMO, lack of respect from the city. His tolerance and not demanding a trade is in its last legs, so you can't have a media (Napear/Voison/Furrillo) or a large section of the fanbase driving him out of town so to speak without the line finally being crossed, which would be unfortunate for those who support him. The bad will has to come to a stop before his decision, hopefully by the start of next season. I don't think c3j3h is a part of that, he's just looking at it as he thinks prudent

That sums it up pretty accurately. I don't see the point of making emotionally-based decisions when it comes to this sort of thing. The smart thing to do is not always the easiest thing to do. I would be happier for Boogie if he went somewhere else and won as well. I really do think it's the best thing for both parties.

[Kings2013]

We make the playoffs this year and Cousins retires a king book it.
He's not a coward (I'm looking at you KD) and loved the city and Vlade. A playoff spot means we hit on our FA and trades and with a cap and new arena we will get FAs next summer.






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One of the things that could chase away Cousins is the, IMO, lack of respect from the city. His tolerance and not demanding a trade is in its last legs, so you can't have a media (Napear/Voison/Furrillo) or a large section of the fanbase driving him out of town so to speak without the line finally being crossed, which would be unfortunate for those who support him. The bad will has to come to a stop before his decision, hopefully by the start of next season. I don't think c3j3h is a part of that, he's just looking at it as he thinks prudent

That sums it up pretty accurately. I don't see the point of making emotionally-based decisions when it comes to this sort of thing. The smart thing to do is not always the easiest thing to do. I would be happier for Boogie if he went somewhere else and won as well. I really do think it's the best thing for both parties.

Although we disagree on the smart thing to do

I don't just say this as a homer, I really feel Boogie can be a top 5 player. Can't be guarded one on one. Build around him properly and perhaps you can have Magic/Howard runs. Sacramento isn't a FA destination at all, and you only have to go through the Kings history to understand the lack of certainty of unproven kids. When you have a star who has this type of talent you see if it can work, and IMO we saw nothing under Karl

The FO is doing what I imagine. Giving it a go with a coach who fits him as a player and free agents they brought in, if it's not working then they might look to something at the deadline

[mlloyd10]

Gay's value just went up even higher now .
Yes

Anything more on that MCW/Monroe for Gay/Koufos?

[Jkam31]

Gay's value just went up even higher now .
Yes

Anything more on that MCW/Monroe for Gay/Koufos?

Please no


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[SacKingZZZ]

So you're saying that the plan is to hope that the next CBA prevents Boogie from leaving?!?

I'm saying it could surely factor in, in particular in the potential of losing him for nothing, but the plan remains the same as it has been, start winning and show Cousins this can work. That's the only true way.

Wait are you the guy that told me that Courtney Lee and Solomon Hill would make a better defensive combo than Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green? This is starting to make a lot more sense.

Gonna go ahead and bow out of this now...

Wait a minute, this is bowing out twice then because you did it the last time I showed you the stats that proved both Hill and Lee had a higher DFG% than Green.

[SacKingZZZ]

Gay's value just went up even higher now .
Yes

Anything more on that MCW/Monroe for Gay/Koufos?

I've been wondering about MCW because of the way they want to play and the signings they've made. I just can't see Monroe being a huge priority for the Kings now but it would be a legit 2 post up big style offense if they did pick him up.

[City of Trees]

I take Lenoard/Green over Hill/Lee every day of the week.

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[codydaze]

Yeah, not sure how you could honestly argue Lee/Hill over Leonard/Green defensively, or at all for that matter. They were apart of one of the historically best defensive teams in league history.