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Re: NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick. 

Post#1421 » by Froob » Fri Jun 9, 2017 2:08 pm

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jazanetti wrote:I think Fultz for #5 and Willie is good deal. And we can pick Collins/Allen/Patton with #10.


Yeah that is more palatable for us as fans. Question is would Boston accept that?

Hell no. Some guys on our board are thinking it's only preparing for the possibility Ainge passes, Lakers take Lonzo, and Sixers trade the pick. You guys are in a good spot though, you guys deserve a good team. That Boogie haul is actually looking pretty good after all.
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Re: NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick. 

Post#1422 » by Worst_to_First » Fri Jun 9, 2017 2:23 pm

No wonder there are reports that the Celtics are working out DSJ. He is a guy that should be available at 5 but could slide to 10. Interesting.
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Re: NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick. 

Post#1423 » by kingjawn100 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 2:44 pm

I'm a big University of Washington fan and watched every one of their games this past season and i must say...this kid terrifies me as a #1 pick on a bad team (even moreso as a kid you trade the farm to move up for). He literally never seems into games and just moaps alot of the time. He'll score 20ppg next year but his team will win 18 games. His play just doesn't translate to winning (wash won 9 games this year!). Ive never even seen him speak to teammates on the floor or show any sort of emotion. He's basically the opposite of IT (all the skills/zero heart). No leadership there whatsoever. Boston seems like the perfect place for him where he can just blend in for a few years and focus solely on scoring.

From a recent seth davis article with an annonymous scout talking about Fulz..."I’ve talked to friends who recruited him, and they said even when they watched him in open gyms or playing AAU, his team hardly ever won. That scares the crap out of me.”

There is NO WAY id give up a ton for Fultz when tatum/jackson/fox/lonzo's skills/personalities are much more translatable to team success.
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Re: NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick. 

Post#1424 » by Worst_to_First » Fri Jun 9, 2017 3:10 pm

kingjawn100 wrote:I'm a big University of Washington fan and watched every one of their games this past season and i must say...this kid terrifies me as a #1 pick on a bad team (even moreso as a kid you trade the farm to move up for). He literally never seems into games and just moaps alot of the time. He'll score 20ppg next year but his team will win 18 games. His play just doesn't translate to winning (wash won 9 games this year!). Ive never even seen him speak to teammates on the floor or show any sort of emotion. He's basically the opposite of IT (all the skills/zero heart). No leadership there whatsoever. Boston seems like the perfect place for him where he can just blend in for a few years and focus solely on scoring.

From a recent seth davis article with an annonymous scout talking about Fulz..."I’ve talked to friends who recruited him, and they said even when they watched him in open gyms or playing AAU, his team hardly ever won. That scares the crap out of me.”

There is NO WAY id give up a ton for Fultz when tatum/jackson/fox/lonzo's skills/personalities are much more translatable to team success.


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Re: NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick. 

Post#1425 » by VeganKingsFan » Fri Jun 9, 2017 3:40 pm

Boston gets: #5, #15, Willie Cauley-Stein
Sacramento gets: Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, Tyler Zeller (all salary dumps), Terry Rozier, #1, #26
Portland gets: Kosta Koufos, trade exception, salary dump

Waive Tyler Zeller

Kings have picks 1 and 10. Draft something like: Markelle Fultz (1), Zach Collins (10), Caleb Swanigan (26), Semi Ojeleye (34)

PG: Markelle Fultz/ Terry Rozier/Langston Galloway
SG: Buddy Hield/ Garrett Temple/ Malachi Richardson
SF: Bogdan Bogdanovic/ Semi Ojeleye/ Evan Turner
PF: Skal Labissiere/ Caleb Swanigan
C: Zach Collins/ George Papagiannis/ Meyers Leonard
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Re: NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick. 

Post#1426 » by taj2133 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 4:16 pm

looks like ball didn't impress the lakers at his workout
L.A. Lakers Not Entirely Sold on Lonzo Ball, Holding out Hope for Markelle Fultz
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LOS ANGELES — Lonzo Ball was fine.

He was humble and respectful in conversation over meals.

He shot the ball well on the court.

He very well might be the Los Angeles Lakers’ draft pick in two weeks’ time.

Yet Ball also didn’t blow the Lakers away or seal any deal in the time he spent with their officials Tuesday and Wednesday, according to sources.

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The Lakers remain intrigued by Markelle Fultz and Josh Jackson, and to a lesser extent De'Aaron Fox, along with Ball for their No. 2 overall pick.

They are hopeful they can get Fultz in for a workout despite speculation that he would work out only for the Boston Celtics, who hold the No. 1 overall pick. Lakers officials just went to meet and scout Jackson in Sacramento on Thursday, and Fox is coming in to see the Lakers on Tuesday.


Ball didn’t separate himself clearly from the pack. The thing is, he never was going to do that in a one-on-none workout format that gave him no one to find with a dynamic hit-ahead pass in transition or a perfectly timed bounce pass for a basket cutter.

Ball met with reporters after his Wednesday workout at the Lakers facility and cited all the shooting he did, and that was because there wasn’t much else for him to do in that format. Further evaluation of his pick-and-roll game or defensive capability wasn’t possible—same as it wasn’t possible to become even more smitten with his passing skills.

Jackson’s workout Thursday was also one-on-none and focused on addressing concerns about his shot. It remains to be seen whether Ball or any of the top prospects allow themselves to be tested in more stressful workouts in their second visits with the Lakers, assuming they have them.


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Given that the Lakers have no consensus on their preference yet, daring to go into a three-on-three format to see Jackson’s fierce competitiveness head-to-head, for example, would be valuable intel and could affect the Lakers’ thinking.

For now, the Lakers at least have a better idea of who these four young men are.

They met with Fultz, the most advanced scorer available, and Fox, a rare speed demon, at the NBA Draft Combine last month. This week they’ve gotten to chat with Ball, whose best quality is setting up teammates, and Jackson, a four-position defensive monster.

A quiet and reserved Ball reinforced to the Lakers how different he is from his attention-seeking father, LaVar. Jackson is a go-getter with a clear killer instinct. Fultz aspires to be the best ever. Fox exudes an authentic confidence.


New Lakers president of basketball operations Magic Johnson has been involved at every step of the predraft process, including stepping in during workouts to ask prospects to do something on the spot that he believes is important to see. Johnson, general manager Rob Pelinka and coach Luke Walton had dinner with Ball on Tuesday night. Ball then had lunch with Lakers owners Jeanie, Joey and Jesse Buss on Wednesday.

Five of the aforementioned Lakers basketball decision-makers, not including Jeanie, went to see Jackson on Thursday.

Jackson is the only forward among the four, but the Lakers are not expected to decide based on position. The organizational goal is to get to a point where the team is playing largely positionless basketball the way Walton’s former team, the Golden State Warriors, do—with current youngsters Brandon Ingram, D’Angelo Russell, Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson all already capable of bringing the ball up the floor.

Ball raised some eyebrows by saying the Lakers "need a leader, a point guard, and I feel that I can bring that to the team"—potentially a slight to Russell.

However, the Lakers view Russell as a combo guard, and Walton played him primarily at shooting guard late last season.

The NBA draft is June 22.

Kevin Ding is NBA senior writer for Bleacher Report. Follow him on Twitter @KevinDing.
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Post#1428 » by rpa » Fri Jun 9, 2017 4:21 pm

Unless you think that Fultz is a superstar incarnate and no one at 5 and 10 has anywhere near that potential you don't do the trade. Sit back, take BPA, and rebuild smartly.
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Post#1429 » by Viper1500 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 4:28 pm

This draft is 8-10 players deep, I wouldn't trade #5+#10 for #1. Does Fultz really have that that much of a higher ceiling than DSJ, Fox, Tatum, Issac? If I'm SAC, I stay put and add two very strong pieces to an already promising young squad.
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Post#1430 » by VeganKingsFan » Fri Jun 9, 2017 4:33 pm

I do think Fultz is going to be a superstar along the lines of James Harden. So that's why I'd give up 5 and 10 for him. If he's in Boston, I'm not sure he'll reach that potential, but he would in Sac.
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Re: NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick. 

Post#1431 » by VeganKingsFan » Fri Jun 9, 2017 5:08 pm

I think most people are overestimating the price of Paul George or Jimmy Butler. Teams would be paying for a rental with the hopes they would sign, and the Pacers and Bulls aren't in the driver's seat because they could lose them for nothing. Plus, they'll get big paydays. People are also underestimating Jae Crowder, who's an ideal 3 and D player. I think the 5 pick and Jae Crowder gets one of them. Maybe add in a second rounder or 2.

3 way trade
Boston gets: Paul George, Willie Cauley-Stein
Indiana gets: #5, #34 from Sac, Jae Crowder
Sacramento gets: #1
Similar deal can be done for Jimmy Butler

Bostons starting 5 would be
Isaiah Thomas
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Willie Cauley-Stein
Al Horford
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Post#1432 » by Fat » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:01 pm

Fox you guys favorite right now if he"s available at 5? And who you guys looking at for the 10th pick?
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Post#1433 » by City of Trees » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:39 pm

I would pass on trading up for Fultz. No thanks.

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Post#1434 » by City of Trees » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:40 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:Fox you guys favorite right now if he"s available at 5? And who you guys looking at for the 10th pick?

Favorite at 5
1. Fox
2. Tatum

10 depends on who they get at 5. Kings are looking to walk away with a PG and SF.

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Post#1435 » by dirtymike113 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 6:41 pm

One thing not being mentioned is Boston's cap space. They are hell bent on using it too sign Hayward. So any deal involving salary coming back (koufus) is immediately off the table.

Any three way deal for a George or Butler also takes up that cap space. Now a subsequent trade could happen after Hayward signs involving Fultz but at that point Sac would have made the picks and prob wouldn't be what Boston wants.

If its mostly draft pick comp I think it would take more then people would think. If Sac is involved with 5-10 you can bet other teams will be interested driving the price up. Ainge would be happy to make the pick and has no pressure to trade it so it would take imo 5-10 WCS, Skal, and future pick. Which i get is so much but it will take a godfather offer to get Ainge to trade that pick.
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Post#1436 » by madskillz8 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:30 pm

dirtymike113 wrote:One thing not being mentioned is Boston's cap space. They are hell bent on using it too sign Hayward. So any deal involving salary coming back (koufus) is immediately off the table.


I am thinking the same. The first player Boston wants to get rid off would be Zeller in such a move, since all other contracts look reasonable. Therefore 5th for Zeller + 1st might make sense. In such a case, Boston would not draft a player with 1st that player that plays the position where they are strong, but still drafting a very promising player and able to offer Hayward a max, while Kings pick Fultz with also retaining the 10th.

I.Thomas
Bradley
Hayward
Amir
Horford
+ 5th pick

Fultz
Hield
Temple
Skal
WCS
+10th pick

Even though I think Fultz would not be a good fit, such a trade can work well for both teams.
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Post#1437 » by City of Trees » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:32 pm

dirtymike113 wrote:One thing not being mentioned is Boston's cap space. They are hell bent on using it too sign Hayward. So any deal involving salary coming back (koufus) is immediately off the table.

Any three way deal for a George or Butler also takes up that cap space. Now a subsequent trade could happen after Hayward signs involving Fultz but at that point Sac would have made the picks and prob wouldn't be what Boston wants.

If its mostly draft pick comp I think it would take more then people would think. If Sac is involved with 5-10 you can bet other teams will be interested driving the price up. Ainge would be happy to make the pick and has no pressure to trade it so it would take imo 5-10 WCS, Skal, and future pick. Which i get is so much but it will take a godfather offer to get Ainge to trade that pick.

Speaking purely value, Kings have plenty cap space. They could take a player off Boston's cap if we can avoid including WCS, Skal, or Buddy.


Still i hate the idea of trading up .



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Post#1438 » by dirtymike113 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:34 pm

madskillz8 wrote:
dirtymike113 wrote:One thing not being mentioned is Boston's cap space. They are hell bent on using it too sign Hayward. So any deal involving salary coming back (koufus) is immediately off the table.


I am thinking the same. The first player Boston wants to get rid off would be Zeller in such a move, since all other contracts look reasonable. Therefore 5th for Zeller + 1st might make sense.



Zeller's contract is non guaranteed so he can be waived.
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Post#1439 » by madskillz8 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:40 pm

Yes that's right, my bad. It means that Celtics do not have a bad contract to dump, except Horford, which would not be part of such a trade between Kings and Celtics I think.
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Post#1440 » by dirtymike113 » Fri Jun 9, 2017 7:44 pm

City of Trees wrote:
dirtymike113 wrote:One thing not being mentioned is Boston's cap space. They are hell bent on using it too sign Hayward. So any deal involving salary coming back (koufus) is immediately off the table.

Any three way deal for a George or Butler also takes up that cap space. Now a subsequent trade could happen after Hayward signs involving Fultz but at that point Sac would have made the picks and prob wouldn't be what Boston wants.

If its mostly draft pick comp I think it would take more then people would think. If Sac is involved with 5-10 you can bet other teams will be interested driving the price up. Ainge would be happy to make the pick and has no pressure to trade it so it would take imo 5-10 WCS, Skal, and future pick. Which i get is so much but it will take a godfather offer to get Ainge to trade that pick.

Speaking purely value, Kings have plenty cap space. They could take a player off Boston's cap if we can avoid including WCS, Skal, or Buddy.


Still i hate the idea of trading up .



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Personally I think Sac would be better off staying at 5/10 because the cost will hurt. If you look at Ainges track record he will hold out for every last pick swap etc. out of a deal. The only way i could see a deal is if Vlade is getting pressure from the top too get a star regardless of cost.

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