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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1421 » by codydaze » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:37 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:I'd say Bjelica is around an Ingles level. Both being terrific do a little bit of everything role players. Impact wise it's hard to say because impact has everything to do with opportunity and ideally he's not cutting into the minutes of the Kings young bigs so we'll see how that works.


No matter the opportunity he gets, Belly is not making the same defensive impact that Ingles provides. He's not nearly the distributor Ingles is either and that's no knock on Belly but Ingles would be the undisputed starter at the 3 for us, Belly is a fringe starter for a non-playoff team.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1422 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:41 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:I'd say Bjelica is around an Ingles level. Both being terrific do a little bit of everything role players. Impact wise it's hard to say because impact has everything to do with opportunity and ideally he's not cutting into the minutes of the Kings young bigs so we'll see how that works.


No matter the opportunity he gets, Belly is not making the same defensive impact that Ingles provides. He's not nearly the distributor Ingles is either and that's no knock on Belly but Ingles would be the undisputed starter at the 3 for us, Belly is a fringe starter for a non-playoff team.



Put Ingles on the Kings and watch his defensive impact. He puts in work, but a true stopper he is not. It's always hard to completely analyze players individually on system teams. I think in a similar role Bjelica isn't far off the mark, although defensively probably less versatile. I'm interested to see him at SF because I think that's where they play him, which I'm not a huge fan of if that is the case. He's a really good passer too. I wouldn't doubt Ingles resume would put him above Bjelica at the start but I think one to one they aren't far off from one another in a vacuum. Don't forget Bjelica is a former Euroleague MVP so perhaps he's being a bit underrated even as a role player.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1423 » by dckingsfan » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:08 am

Don't like the Bogs injury much - tough to come into training camp at 100 percent.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1424 » by BoogieTime » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:10 am

dckingsfan wrote:Don't like the Bogs injury much - tough to come into training camp at 100 percent.

He was arguably playing too much to end last season when they arguably should’ve been tanking for a top pick. The decision to play for the national team and not rest was a bit questionable

But yeah, another thing goes wrong..

At least this will force them to start Buddy, and if he breaks out have to keep him in the starting lineup. I’m also big on Justin, relatively, so we’ll see if he can step up to begin the season too
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1425 » by SacKingZZZ » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:17 pm

So Bogdan needs surgery? Argh!!! All I want to see is freaking Buddy Hield and Bogdan become a dynamo combo why is this so hard?
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Post#1426 » by kalenclayton » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:11 am

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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1427 » by dckingsfan » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:07 pm

I can understand why they waived Deyonta Davis given the log-jam in the FC but given that Randolph, Koufos and probably WCS will be gone at the end of the season, I would have held onto him. He was really improving quite quickly.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1428 » by kalenclayton » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:38 pm

dckingsfan wrote:I can understand why they waived Deyonta Davis given the log-jam in the FC but given that Randolph, Koufos and probably WCS will be gone at the end of the season, I would have held onto him. He was really improving quite quickly.

I agree here, but there may have been communication between Davis, Davis’ agent, and Vlade about the situation. It looked like Davis was on the outside looking in regardless. We all know Garrett Temple was dealt for those 2nds. McLemore and Davis were salary filler and icing on the cake, if you will. Davis was going to have a rough time making the roster and an even rougher time getting minutes. I think it was best for all parties to part ways, but I understand your reasoning.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1429 » by BoogieTime » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:12 am

Tomorrow media day? Then open practice? B-ball season is here!
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1430 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:10 pm

Vlade might be able to get some assets thanks to saving that cap heading in. I wouldn't mind the Kings getting Dieng. I liked him coming into the NBA and I think he could be a solid acquisition because when he's played he's proven to be valuable and with Willies future in question it could be a good fall back at center.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1431 » by BoogieTime » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:35 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Vlade might be able to get some assets thanks to saving that cap heading in. I wouldn't mind the Kings getting Dieng. I liked him coming into the NBA and I think he could be a solid acquisition because when he's played he's proven to be valuable and with Willies future in question it could be a good fall back at center.


Even not counting Willie Giles/Bagley/Skal/Bjelica/Koufos/Randolph. The first four I have as blocks going forward, at least potentially
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1432 » by dckingsfan » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:26 am

And then their is the possible trade with Minny - hmmm
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1433 » by becorz » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:32 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Vlade might be able to get some assets thanks to saving that cap heading in. I wouldn't mind the Kings getting Dieng. I liked him coming into the NBA and I think he could be a solid acquisition because when he's played he's proven to be valuable and with Willies future in question it could be a good fall back at center.

But what is the least you would take back in a trade for Dieng? For that contract, I think we have to take in more than a lotto protected first. But others on the trade board disagree.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1434 » by City of Trees » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:30 pm

$48 Million for a late first is too rich for me.

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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1435 » by becorz » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:43 pm

City of Trees wrote:$48 Million for a late first is too rich for me.

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I agree that a lotto protected first isn't enough. But we aren't talking about Mozgov here. Dieng is a starter on a bad team and a bench player on a good team. So that has to go into the calculus too.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1436 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:30 pm

becorz wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Vlade might be able to get some assets thanks to saving that cap heading in. I wouldn't mind the Kings getting Dieng. I liked him coming into the NBA and I think he could be a solid acquisition because when he's played he's proven to be valuable and with Willies future in question it could be a good fall back at center.

But what is the least you would take back in a trade for Dieng? For that contract, I think we have to take in more than a lotto protected first. But others on the trade board disagree.



Dieng is a decent enough player when a part of a rotation. He's a major negative contract right now but with the cap situation of almost all teams next summer taking on salary isn't going to net the Kings anything great. A mid 1st rounder and maybe some future protected picks or something might do the trick. The Kings need to start bringing in some incentives they can potentially attach to their young pieces if a worthwhile short term move became available.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1437 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:32 pm

City of Trees wrote:$48 Million for a late first is too rich for me.

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Personally I think Dieng makes it that much easier to move on from Willie. Willie will be much more expensive and I'm not sure he's that much better as a backup. The more I think about it Bagley could be the center of this teams future.
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1438 » by sacking123 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:18 am

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City of Trees wrote:$48 Million for a late first is too rich for me.

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Personally I think Dieng makes it that much easier to move on from Willie. Willie will be much more expensive and I'm not sure he's that much better as a backup. The more I think about it Bagley could be the center of this teams future.

I would have to agree here and I could really get behind a move for Dieng in the right trade. It would need to not only bring back assets but essentially start forming the roster. As is there are still too many players that we are going to see their value go down.



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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1439 » by BoogieTime » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:20 am

First and foremost I want a first for this upcoming year
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Re: Kings Off-Season 

Post#1440 » by becorz » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:43 am

BoogieTime wrote:First and foremost I want a first for this upcoming year

Why does it have to be a first this year? The team is super young already, so I don't see why it has to be a first THIS YEAR. If we got a first in 2021 and a rotation SF who is young, I would totally be into that.

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