The TRADE Thread 2021

[City of Trees]

Also what exactly did Collins do better than Barnes last year? They were very similar players. Edge to Collins on Rebounding/Interior defense/Age.. Edge to Barnes on efficiency, perimeter defense, 3pt shooting, price.

Collins is 24, similar production to Barnes, and yet to hit his prime. Barnes is exiting his prime and likely gone after next season regardless of how the season goes. Kings get younger and establish a building block which aligns with the timeline. FWIW Collins had a finger injury last season.

You cut my entire post. Of course I would swap them equally in a vacuum. That is a no brainer.

But the team wants to win now, and you haven't addresses who exactly this 3&D player is that is walking through that door to man the 3 spot. And you've used #4 on Ivey, and traded a future 1st to get Collins.

It all seems so nice hypothetically until you try to think of a single realistic example of a guy who is available to fill that spot. So again to me it comes down to

Ivey + Barnes + (potentially 2 of) OPJ/Anderson/Morris

or

Ivey + Holiday/Bruce Brown (using Bruce as example as hes probably the only decent 3 available) + Collins

If I'm trying to win the next 2-3 years, I'm taking the top group pretty easily. I mean unless you are comfortable putting one of those 4's out of position (which I am clearly not), then I don't see another argument. But I'm all ears.

Edit: The craziest thing is I'm probably one of the harshest people when it comes to Barnes. I'm not a big fan, hes just meh and disappears a lot of the times, doesn't shoot as much as Id like him to. But the fact still remains that filling his spot is the toughest thing in the NBA right now. Can never have too many of those 3/4s.

Sorry didn't mean to dismiss your entire post, was rushed at work.

For me, it comes down to Barnes has 82 games or less left in a Kings uniform. You move him for the best talent you can get, BPA if you will. If I can swap Barnes for Collins in a salary dump I do it and don't look back. I mentioned a 1st being involved but by all accounts so far that type of asset hasn't been attached to the rumors. Barnes won't be here to help achieve your winning the next 2-3 years goal. You can choose to keep him as a rental but that's ill advised. Maybe you can find another deal for a 3andD wing but I doubt it will be for a talent like Collins.

Trade for Collins and figure out SF as you go. Davis is capable and Harkless is still on the books so there are bodies who can fill in IF Monte can't make any additional moves.

[LightTheBeam]

Collins is 24, similar production to Barnes, and yet to hit his prime. Barnes is exiting his prime and likely gone after next season regardless of how the season goes. Kings get younger and establish a building block which aligns with the timeline. FWIW Collins had a finger injury last season.

You cut my entire post. Of course I would swap them equally in a vacuum. That is a no brainer.

But the team wants to win now, and you haven't addresses who exactly this 3&D player is that is walking through that door to man the 3 spot. And you've used #4 on Ivey, and traded a future 1st to get Collins.

It all seems so nice hypothetically until you try to think of a single realistic example of a guy who is available to fill that spot. So again to me it comes down to

Ivey + Barnes + (potentially 2 of) OPJ/Anderson/Morris

or

Ivey + Holiday/Bruce Brown (using Bruce as example as hes probably the only decent 3 available) + Collins

If I'm trying to win the next 2-3 years, I'm taking the top group pretty easily. I mean unless you are comfortable putting one of those 4's out of position (which I am clearly not), then I don't see another argument. But I'm all ears.

Edit: The craziest thing is I'm probably one of the harshest people when it comes to Barnes. I'm not a big fan, hes just meh and disappears a lot of the times, doesn't shoot as much as Id like him to. But the fact still remains that filling his spot is the toughest thing in the NBA right now. Can never have too many of those 3/4s.

Sorry didn't mean to dismiss your entire post, was rushed at work.

For me, it comes down to Barnes has 82 games or less left in a Kings uniform. You move him for the best talent you can get, BPA if you will. If I can swap Barnes for Collins in a salary dump I do it and don't look back. I mentioned a 1st being involved but by all accounts so far that type of asset hasn't been attached to the rumors. Barnes won't be here to help achieve your winning the next 2-3 years goal. You can choose to keep him as a rental but that's ill advised. Maybe you can find another deal for a 3andD wing but I doubt it will be for a talent like Collins.

Trade for Collins and figure out SF as you go. Davis is capable and Harkless is still on the books so there are bodies who can fill in IF Monte can't make any additional moves.

Well this was my biggest issue with the way the kings handled Barnes. I thought he should have been traded 1.5 years ago. Now I feel like we are kinda stuck and need to extend him at the end of the year (or now if possible). Good thing is he really doesn't rely on athleticism and just turned 30, so i could see him being a solid starter for 3-4 more years.

Also Atlanta really struggles defensively. I can't remember the rule, can you attach other players and picks to a s&t?

#16 + Capela + Huerter + kings future 1st to Utah

Collins to Sacramento

Holmes to Charlotte

Gobert + DDV (s&t) + Oubre + some charlotte asset to Atlanta

Utah gets a cheaper defensive center + shooter + a few picks to start Ainges war chest.

Kings get Collins while keeping Barnes and drafting ivey. DDV isn't necessary with ivey.

Charlotte picks up a starting center.

Atlanta adds a few nice defenders to the starting unit of Young - DDV - Oubre - Hunter - Gobert. Bogdan moves back to 6th man.

Again not sure if legal, but this would be the kind of deal I'm looking for.







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[blind prophet]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

[Adg1987]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

That is 64m. I do know if our owners would be willing to pay that. They are too cheap

[blind prophet]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

That is 64m. I do know if our owners would be willing to pay that. They are too cheap

The move certainly has risk. But I don't think we lose much of anything long term if we make the trade. All about the $$$$ and short term flexibility.

[City of Trees]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

Barnes would have to be included to make money work. I see two possible variations:

Barnes/Holiday for Hayward/13 or 15

Barnes/Holmes/37 for Hayward/13/15

I'm absolutely in love with Jalen Williams as a prospect. I would be a happy fan if the Kings could walk away with Ivey, Sochan, Williams.

[Adg1987]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

That is 64m. I do know if our owners would be willing to pay that. They are too cheap

The move certainly has risk. But I don't think we lose much of anything long term if we make the trade. All about the $$$$ and short term flexibility.

I do not disagree. Might be worth the risk, but is all that money worth a 15th pick? that depends on if the organization values a draft pick.

Hayward would start at 3 for us fairly easily. He has a skillset the team could probably use with what we have. Personally, he would probably come and either get injuried and not play or just be a stinker for us lol that seems to be our luck when we bring in older players

[OGSactownballer]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

I posted on the main board as this.

I only do this for both their picks. Otherwise clear money and make a max offer to Bridges to force their hand.

Hayward is all risk moderate reward at best. If you’re lucky you get 45 solid games out of him a year and no reliable availability for playoffs. You also lock up a ton of cap for two years. My price for that is you give both firsts and get back Holmes and 37 and needed filler.

Sac is doing all the heavy lifting to allow them to keep their young player and afford it.

[Adg1987]

If we can get John Collins without giving up the 4th, I would be so happy. He just does not like playing with Trey Young. I think he is a 20ppg 9rpg kind of a second /3rd option guy with the right team around him

[codydaze]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

Barnes would have to be included to make money work. I see two possible variations:

Barnes/Holiday for Hayward/13 or 15

Barnes/Holmes/37 for Hayward/13/15

I'm absolutely in love with Jalen Williams as a prospect. I would be a happy fan if the Kings could walk away with Ivey, Sochan, Williams.

I think dream scenario is Holmes/Holiday for Hayward/15, depending on if Charlotte is desperate enough to move his salary I could see this working. Then flip Barnes and a future 1st for Collins. I'm a Keegan guy but in this scenario I probably take Ivey at 4 and Sochan or Eason at 15.

[OxAndFox]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

I posted on the main board as this.

I only do this for both their picks. Otherwise clear money and make a max offer to Bridges to force their hand.

Hayward is all risk moderate reward at best. If you’re lucky you get 45 solid games out of him a year and no reliable availability for playoffs. You also lock up a ton of cap for two years. My price for that is you give both firsts and get back Holmes and 37 and needed filler.

Sac is doing all the heavy lifting to allow them to keep their young player and afford it.

Spot on.

You really only need to hang onto Hayward for a year as well and then he becomes a huge expiring.
Money be damned. If ownership wants a PO mandate they need to pay for it too.
Holmes/Holiday/Harkless/Len/Lyles/37/49 for 13/15/Hayward
If you have to account for $6m in the 13/15 then just add Davis. It will still save the Hornets around $4m straight up.

[LightTheBeam]

Hornets Trying To Trade Gordon Hayward With One Draft Pick

Speaking on ESPN, Brian Windhorst shared some intel on the Charlotte Hornets plans at the 2022 NBA Draft and during free agency. Windhorst said that that Charlotte is looking to clear some salary obligations and is willing to attach either of their 2022 draft picks to do it.

The player mentioned was Gordon Hayward, who has a $30.1 million salary for next season and is owed $31.5 million in 2023-24. The Hornets may be willing to move either #13 or #15 in the 2022 NBA Draft to get off of Hayward's deal.

Can or should we try to get in on this?



https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

I posted on the main board as this.

I only do this for both their picks. Otherwise clear money and make a max offer to Bridges to force their hand.

Hayward is all risk moderate reward at best. If you’re lucky you get 45 solid games out of him a year and no reliable availability for playoffs. You also lock up a ton of cap for two years. My price for that is you give both firsts and get back Holmes and 37 and needed filler.

Sac is doing all the heavy lifting to allow them to keep their young player and afford it.

Spot on.

You really only need to hang onto Hayward for a year as well and then he becomes a huge expiring.
Money be damned. If ownership wants a PO mandate they need to pay for it too.
Holmes/Holiday/Harkless/Len/Lyles/37/49 for 13/15/Hayward
If you have to account for $6m in the 13/15 then just add Davis. It will still save the Hornets around $4m straight up.

Why in the hell would the Hornets trade 2 1sts to save 4 million dollars? Come on now.

This just doesn't make sense. SA, Orlando, Detroit can save Charlotte more money and probably charge them much less than this.

[OxAndFox]

I posted on the main board as this.

I only do this for both their picks. Otherwise clear money and make a max offer to Bridges to force their hand.

Hayward is all risk moderate reward at best. If you’re lucky you get 45 solid games out of him a year and no reliable availability for playoffs. You also lock up a ton of cap for two years. My price for that is you give both firsts and get back Holmes and 37 and needed filler.

Sac is doing all the heavy lifting to allow them to keep their young player and afford it.

Spot on.

You really only need to hang onto Hayward for a year as well and then he becomes a huge expiring.
Money be damned. If ownership wants a PO mandate they need to pay for it too.
Holmes/Holiday/Harkless/Len/Lyles/37/49 for 13/15/Hayward
If you have to account for $6m in the 13/15 then just add Davis. It will still save the Hornets around $4m straight up.

Why in the hell would the Hornets trade 2 1sts to save 4 million dollars? Come on now.

This just doesn't make sense. SA, Orlando, Detroit can save Charlotte more money and probably charge them much less than this.

It's not to save $4m only, but you already knew that. That is the immediate savings.

You are giving them over $20m in total savings after next season, allowing the Hornets to keep Bridges with more than $40m in expiring salary which they might need to let most of it go to afford PJ Washington next off-season.
Holmes isn't just a throw in. Nor is Holiday. The 37/49 while not premium assets are there as well.
Fans don't like these types of trades because it's money based, but the reality is some teams will do it.
Would SA burn their cap space for a couple of picks or would they try to open up the max slot for Ayton instead, or Bridges.
Orlando already has far too many young players that will be buried shortly so would they want to add more than the #1 pick to their core?
There aren't a whole lot of options for the Hornets to get completely off Hayward. If you knew he was going to play 70+ games each season then yep, no worries, but the fact is he hasn't done that in the last 3 years. So you need a team that can counter his absence somewhat and with the Kings keeping Barnes in this scenario they could do just that.

[LightTheBeam]

Spot on.

You really only need to hang onto Hayward for a year as well and then he becomes a huge expiring.
Money be damned. If ownership wants a PO mandate they need to pay for it too.
Holmes/Holiday/Harkless/Len/Lyles/37/49 for 13/15/Hayward
If you have to account for $6m in the 13/15 then just add Davis. It will still save the Hornets around $4m straight up.

Why in the hell would the Hornets trade 2 1sts to save 4 million dollars? Come on now.

This just doesn't make sense. SA, Orlando, Detroit can save Charlotte more money and probably charge them much less than this.

It's not to save $4m only, but you already knew that. That is the immediate savings.

You are giving them over $20m in total savings after next season, allowing the Hornets to keep Bridges with more than $40m in expiring salary which they might need to let most of it go to afford PJ Washington next off-season.
Holmes isn't just a throw in. Nor is Holiday. The 37/49 while not premium assets are there as well.
Fans don't like these types of trades because it's money based, but the reality is some teams will do it.
Would SA burn their cap space for a couple of picks or would they try to open up the max slot for Ayton instead, or Bridges.
Orlando already has far too many young players that will be buried shortly so would they want to add more than the #1 pick to their core?
There aren't a whole lot of options for the Hornets to get completely off Hayward. If you knew he was going to play 70+ games each season then yep, no worries, but the fact is he hasn't done that in the last 3 years. So you need a team that can counter his absence somewhat and with the Kings keeping Barnes in this scenario they could do just that.

The point is that Charlotte is cheap and wants immediate savings. If they cared about 4 million this year, they could waive Oubre and save 10. Then next year Hayward is an expiring + Plumlee/Oubre exit the books completely.

Come on man.. of course I'd love that trade but we need to be realistic here and think about the other team.

Of course Detroit is taking those 2 picks and Hayward over risking a RFA offer on ayton.

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[OxAndFox]

Why in the hell would the Hornets trade 2 1sts to save 4 million dollars? Come on now.

This just doesn't make sense. SA, Orlando, Detroit can save Charlotte more money and probably charge them much less than this.

It's not to save $4m only, but you already knew that. That is the immediate savings.

You are giving them over $20m in total savings after next season, allowing the Hornets to keep Bridges with more than $40m in expiring salary which they might need to let most of it go to afford PJ Washington next off-season.
Holmes isn't just a throw in. Nor is Holiday. The 37/49 while not premium assets are there as well.
Fans don't like these types of trades because it's money based, but the reality is some teams will do it.
Would SA burn their cap space for a couple of picks or would they try to open up the max slot for Ayton instead, or Bridges.
Orlando already has far too many young players that will be buried shortly so would they want to add more than the #1 pick to their core?
There aren't a whole lot of options for the Hornets to get completely off Hayward. If you knew he was going to play 70+ games each season then yep, no worries, but the fact is he hasn't done that in the last 3 years. So you need a team that can counter his absence somewhat and with the Kings keeping Barnes in this scenario they could do just that.

The point is that Charlotte is cheap and wants immediate savings. If they cared about 4 million this year, they could waive Oubre and save 10. Then next year Hayward is an expiring + Plumlee/Oubre exit the books completely.

Come on man.. of course I'd love that trade but we need to be realistic here and think about the other team.

Of course Detroit is taking those 2 picks and Hayward over risking a RFA offer on ayton.

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The point is it's going to cost Charlotte more than this. We will see what they can get out of, but it will take more than two picks to get off $60m and I'm not sure why you bring up Oubre because in ANY scenario they can cut him and save $7.6m. Detroit isn't taking him as well as Hayward and paying $74.2m for two picks.

Come on man, you need to be realistic here and think about the other team.

[LightTheBeam]

It's not to save $4m only, but you already knew that. That is the immediate savings.

You are giving them over $20m in total savings after next season, allowing the Hornets to keep Bridges with more than $40m in expiring salary which they might need to let most of it go to afford PJ Washington next off-season.
Holmes isn't just a throw in. Nor is Holiday. The 37/49 while not premium assets are there as well.
Fans don't like these types of trades because it's money based, but the reality is some teams will do it.
Would SA burn their cap space for a couple of picks or would they try to open up the max slot for Ayton instead, or Bridges.
Orlando already has far too many young players that will be buried shortly so would they want to add more than the #1 pick to their core?
There aren't a whole lot of options for the Hornets to get completely off Hayward. If you knew he was going to play 70+ games each season then yep, no worries, but the fact is he hasn't done that in the last 3 years. So you need a team that can counter his absence somewhat and with the Kings keeping Barnes in this scenario they could do just that.

The point is that Charlotte is cheap and wants immediate savings. If they cared about 4 million this year, they could waive Oubre and save 10. Then next year Hayward is an expiring + Plumlee/Oubre exit the books completely.

Come on man.. of course I'd love that trade but we need to be realistic here and think about the other team.

Of course Detroit is taking those 2 picks and Hayward over risking a RFA offer on ayton.

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The point is it's going to cost Charlotte more than this. We will see what they can get out of, but it will take more than two picks to get off $60m and I'm not sure why you bring up Oubre because in ANY scenario they can cut him and save $7.6m. Detroit isn't taking him as well as Hayward and paying $74.2m for two picks.

Come on man, you need to be realistic here and think about the other team.

I can't tell if you are trolling here lol. The point is that 4 million in savings does nothing for them. They can simply not guarantee oubre and save more than that. Never did I suggest Detroit is taking oubre. Please go re-read my post.

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[OxAndFox]

The point is that Charlotte is cheap and wants immediate savings. If they cared about 4 million this year, they could waive Oubre and save 10. Then next year Hayward is an expiring + Plumlee/Oubre exit the books completely.

Come on man.. of course I'd love that trade but we need to be realistic here and think about the other team.

Of course Detroit is taking those 2 picks and Hayward over risking a RFA offer on ayton.

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The point is it's going to cost Charlotte more than this. We will see what they can get out of, but it will take more than two picks to get off $60m and I'm not sure why you bring up Oubre because in ANY scenario they can cut him and save $7.6m. Detroit isn't taking him as well as Hayward and paying $74.2m for two picks.

Come on man, you need to be realistic here and think about the other team.

I can't tell if you are trolling here lol. The point is that 4 million in savings does nothing for them. They can simply not guarantee oubre and save more than that. Never did I suggest Detroit is taking oubre. Please go re-read my post.

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The point you're missing is all of this is to help them retain Miles Bridges. It doesn't stipulate in the original report they want to get off all of Hayward's money.
If they're expecting someone to take Hayward into cap space, which is fair and reasonable to ask for, it's going to cost them a lot more than #13/#15.
The teams that do have space and will use some of it, because Detroit is the only one that can take all of Hayward back, will want to dump unwanted salary which none of them really have, except maybe Buddy at the Pacers.

I am sure Monte has made phone calls and I would say his first offer would be something like I mentioned. If that's not good enough there of course is room to move, EVERY negotiation has this.
What I don't believe is Monte is going to shoot his shot and add $60m to the payroll and then go and try and acquire more win now pieces such as Collins which adds even more.

[SelfishPlayer]

Barnes is a win now sort of player, the Kings are nowhere close to winning now. So a trade to the Sixers for Thybulle, Korkmaz, and Danny Green.

[LightTheBeam]

Barnes is a win now sort of player, the Kings are nowhere close to winning now. So a trade to the Sixers for Thybulle, Korkmaz, and Danny Green.

"Your team isn't that good, give me a good player for free"

Sixers want to win now, Maxey is young and full of mistakes.

S&T DDV for maxey.

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[LightTheBeam]

The point you're missing is all of this is to help them retain Miles Bridges. It doesn't stipulate in the original report they want to get off all of Hayward's money.
If they're expecting someone to take Hayward into cap space, which is fair and reasonable to ask for, it's going to cost them a lot more than #13/#15.
The teams that do have space and will use some of it, because Detroit is the only one that can take all of Hayward back, will want to dump unwanted salary which none of them really have, except maybe Buddy at the Pacers.

I am sure Monte has made phone calls and I would say his first offer would be something like I mentioned. If that's not good enough there of course is room to move, EVERY negotiation has this.
What I don't believe is Monte is going to shoot his shot and add $60m to the payroll and then go and try and acquire more win now pieces such as Collins which adds even more.

No no.. i very much understand the point is to dump salary to retain bridges. I just can't continue repeating myself. If you think saving 4 million + adding Holmes is worth 13 & 15, I genuinely hope you are right. But I'd bet my house it's not. And that there are plenty of teams who would save them more than 4 million without blinking an eye. I'd bet 13 + 15 + Hayward gets you Myles Turner and a hell of a lot more cap space than the kings can offer.



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