Trade Idea Thread 15-16

teerfour+40LG · Post #1541 » by **teerfour+40LG** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:57 pm

City of Trees wrote:What does Gay do better?

Also the fact Gay is a plus defender is not helping your argument . Everyone knows Gay is a bad defender

Four big areas: playmaking, rebounding, shooting, scoring. Everyone THINKS he is a bad defender, but at least two stats do not back it up. His DRPM is positive and we gave up less points with him on the court.

Post #1542 » by **City of Trees** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:00 pm

teerfour+40LG wrote:
City of Trees wrote:What does Gay do better?

Also the fact Gay is a plus defender is not helping your argument . Everyone knows Gay is a bad defender

Four big areas: playmaking, rebounding, shooting, scoring. Everyone THINKS he is a bad defender, but at least two stats do not back it up. His DRPM is positive and we gave up less points with him on the court.

Less points with him on the floor doesn't hold much weight with me. So IMO you have one stat to argue Gay is a good defender however the eye test shows on a nightly basis Gay isn't interested in hustle or defense.

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Sacramento_King · Post #1543 » by **Sacramento_King** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:03 pm

teerfour+40LG wrote:
City of Trees wrote:What does Gay do better?

Also the fact Gay is a plus defender is not helping your argument . Everyone knows Gay is a bad defender

Four big areas: playmaking, rebounding, shooting, scoring. Everyone THINKS he is a bad defender, but at least two stats do not back it up. His DRPM is positive and we gave up less points with him on the court.

Sometimes you just cant look at stats. I don't care what the metric is, Rudy consistently lost his man on defense. Awareness wise, he just isn't that good. His playmaking was terrible. Watching games, if it went to Rudy down the stretch, you know he was going to over-dribble, take a bad contested shot or turn it over. He is a scorer and is good at what he does, scoring wise, but he isn't a closer and doesn't fit what we are trying to do long term. I would take Crowder and his locked up cheap deal on the Kings.

Kings2013 · Post #1544 » by **Kings2013** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:09 pm

City of Trees wrote:
teerfour+40LG wrote:
City of Trees wrote:What does Gay do better?

Also the fact Gay is a plus defender is not helping your argument . Everyone knows Gay is a bad defender

Four big areas: playmaking, rebounding, shooting, scoring. Everyone THINKS he is a bad defender, but at least two stats do not back it up. His DRPM is positive and we gave up less points with him on the court.

Less points with him on the floor doesn't hold much weight with me. So IMO you have one stat to argue Gay is a good defender however the eye test shows on a nightly basis Gay isn't interested in hustle or defense.

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I'd take Crowder, but i no way believe that's an option

But, the team quit on Karl so can't go by that to me either. Was he fine under Malone?

SactoKingsFan · Post #1545 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:56 am

teerfour+40LG wrote:
City of Trees wrote:What does Gay do better?

Also the fact Gay is a plus defender is not helping your argument . Everyone knows Gay is a bad defender

Four big areas: playmaking, rebounding, shooting, scoring. Everyone THINKS he is a bad defender, but at least two stats do not back it up. His DRPM is positive and we gave up less points with him on the court.

Using RPM to support your argument doesn't makes sense since Crowder has much better ORPM and DRPM.

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SacKingZZZ · Post #1546 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:11 am

Here is the difference with Gay, if you are making comparisons. Crowder is a great all around role player, Gay is a flat out second option that can be a first option for stretches. It's amazing how underrated he is. Now I know why he seemed to just disappear value wise after his rough stint in Toronto.

Hey, I was all aboard the Crowder bandwagon back in the day and wanted the Kings to sign him and would love to see him on the team now, but going from Gay to Crowder is a pure talent downgrade, no question.

dozencousins · Post #1547 » by **dozencousins** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:24 am

Days ago on page 74 I had let everyone know that Boston was a team we were speaking with about these guys .
I guess it takes someone else saying the same stuff via internet for it to be believed .

Anyways we are close to a deal however we have been close many of times . Deals fall apart all the time .

Post #1548 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:26 am

I feel like the Kings have been in trading negotiations with the Celtics for 3 years now.

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dozencousins · Post #1549 » by **dozencousins** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:35 am

City of Trees wrote:I feel like the Kings have been in trading negotiations with the Celtics for 3 years now.

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Last season & a half or so yes . They wanted Gay , Mac & Cousins Last season .

I let everyone know Celtics were trying to get Cousins , Blake or Love with their pics before it went all over the place .
Anyways kings should get future #1 pick which would be the Nets original pick if it happens .

I have heard another version without Crowder as well .

Crimson King · Post #1550 » by **Crimson King** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:37 am

I think the trade is more realistic without the Clippers, I can't see how Boston could have Blake Griffin basically for our players on the block.

Gay/Koufos/McLemore for Crowder/Johnson/Rozier is more balanced for both teams IMO.

Post #1551 » by **codydaze** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:42 am

zar wrote:I think the trade is more realistic without the Clippers, I can't see how Boston could have Blake Griffin basically for our players on the block.

Gay/Koufos/McLemore for Crowder/Johnson/Rozier is more balanced for both teams IMO.

Boston does not do that though. They're looking for a superstar and while Gay is a good player, he's not the guy they're looking for. Sac would need to add value in this scenario too.

PaKwAn · Post #1552 » by **PaKwAn** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:45 am

if anything they should just cut the kings out cause we are taking away good value compared to our outgoing players

Post #1553 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:51 am

PaKwAn wrote:if anything they should just cut the kings out cause we are taking away good value compared to our outgoing players

The idea was Doc Rivers valued Gay' s scoring specialty more than Crowders all around game. Doc is horrible at trades

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SacKingZZZ · Post #1554 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:56 am

Gay is a better pure scoring option on the wing than anything Boston has right now. IT, Gay, and Horford might be enough offensively to take them places. Then they have Brown who will hopefully grow into a decent option down the road. He can defend now though. Boston has been in the market for a star so long that you have to wonder when they finally just say uncle and get what they can while they can.

Doc was rumored to like Rudy last year as well. I can see him really being interested now considering the void they've had at SF for a long time and how they'll need someone to be able to go toe to toe, as best you can at least, with Durant. The problem is it mirrors the same void the Kings have had there since Artest left.

The only saving grace would be that maybe between DC, Afflalo, and Crowder you have enough second to third option types to not outright slap yourself in the head in the games where Cousins isn't a factor.

PaKwAn · Post #1555 » by **PaKwAn** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:59 am

City of Trees wrote:
PaKwAn wrote:if anything they should just cut the kings out cause we are taking away good value compared to our outgoing players

The idea was Doc Rivers valued Gay' s scoring specialty more than Crowders all around game. Doc is horrible at trades

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I'm happy for doc then lol...

benchmobbin02 · Post #1556 » by **benchmobbin02** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:32 am

Hahahaha!

Jkam31 · Post #1557 » by **Jkam31** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:09 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Gay is a better pure scoring option on the wing than anything Boston has right now. IT, Gay, and Horford might be enough offensively to take them places. Then they have Brown who will hopefully grow into a decent option down the road. He can defend now though. Boston has been in the market for a star so long that you have to wonder when they finally just say uncle and get what they can while they can.

Doc was rumored to like Rudy last year as well. I can see him really being interested now considering the void they've had at SF for a long time and how they'll need someone to be able to go toe to toe, as best you can at least, with Durant. The problem is it mirrors the same void the Kings have had there since Artest left.

The only saving grace would be that maybe between DC, Afflalo, and Crowder you have enough second to third option types to not outright slap yourself in the head in the games where Cousins isn't a factor.

I do think with Collison/Afflalo and cousins we have enough scoring. Our defendse would be elite we wouldn't need to score 102ppg plus.

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SacKingZZZ · Post #1558 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:15 am

Jkam31 wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Gay is a better pure scoring option on the wing than anything Boston has right now. IT, Gay, and Horford might be enough offensively to take them places. Then they have Brown who will hopefully grow into a decent option down the road. He can defend now though. Boston has been in the market for a star so long that you have to wonder when they finally just say uncle and get what they can while they can.

Doc was rumored to like Rudy last year as well. I can see him really being interested now considering the void they've had at SF for a long time and how they'll need someone to be able to go toe to toe, as best you can at least, with Durant. The problem is it mirrors the same void the Kings have had there since Artest left.

The only saving grace would be that maybe between DC, Afflalo, and Crowder you have enough second to third option types to not outright slap yourself in the head in the games where Cousins isn't a factor.

I do think with Collison/Afflalo and cousins we have enough scoring. Our defendse would be elite we wouldn't need to score 102ppg plus.

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Afflalo would be the key. It's not even really about the scoring, it's how Gay scores. Gay can break the offense and create shots. Afflalo did in Orlando so he's shown he can, and DC can here and there as well but neither is in the same class as Rudy. Rudy can go at equal or superior competition and make them honest.

Post #1559 » by **codydaze** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:57 pm

Recent quote from Al Horford:

"I don't know if you remember but there was a time when I wanted to play power forward."

Interesting and adds some speculation that he would accept playing C next to Blake... I don't know why I'm still trying to convince myself this is going to happen

LightTheBeam · Post #1560 » by **LightTheBeam** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:44 pm

dozencousins wrote:Days ago on page 74 I had let everyone know that Boston was a team we were speaking with about these guys .
I guess it takes someone else saying the same stuff via internet for it to be believed .

Anyways we are close to a deal however we have been close many of times . Deals fall apart all the time .

Not trying to be a hater or anything but dude... when you say that we are attempting to make trades with every team in the league and then someone else says it 2 months later and you try to take credit for it, it seems pretty stupid. I don't mind seeing your posts around here and obviously the mod is okay with it but sometimes I get a very Chris Broussard feeling.

Anyways good luck to you man hope your sources turn out legit!