Trade Idea Thread 15-16

[dozencousins]

Thanks for the updates! Is it possible we can acquire Anderson, Snell, and our first rounder back in a 3 team deal?

I would say not likely . Gay has really great value in the NBA because of him being a great scorer & a very friendly salary contract however his value is not that High IMO . You never know though .

[PaKwAn]

Monroe is a very bad fit for the kings.. bad fit next to cuz and a bad fit for Karl's system.. it also makes us much worse defensively

[biltalent]

Small update : I can say that between last night & this morning we have been contacted once again by both N.O. & the Bulls .
I can also that Memphis has contacted us recently as well .
Though we could still get a straight up deal with either team it is looking more like a 3rd team may be needed to get any deal done .
With the Pelicans it is almost guaranteed that no R.Anderson equals no deal .

Thank fors keeping us updated! I really appreciate it. Do you know any specifics about the Bulls deal? I would love to get Gibson and/or Snell

I am not 100% sure exactly however I am 95% sure Gibson would be sent to us with guys such as Doug McDermott & Nikola Mirotic in a deal with Gay out . Problem with Mirotic though Vlade likes him is less likely because Of Noah being injured the Bulls don't have much depth right now at any big position for them to trade Mirotic we would have to find a way to have Koufas involved and unless a much larger deal could be done then I don't see how both Gay & Koufas could both be dealt in this deal . Hence why I don't see Mirotic being part of a deal .

Mainly a deal has been centered around Gibson , McDermott & the # 1 pick we owe them maybe coming back to us .

To be clear I am not saying we will trade with the Bulls or claiming an exact deal if one is to happen only mentioning the main pieces we have talked about in combinations there of .
No deal is super close . I know the Kings would love to get Snell . I do know the Bulls see both Butler , Portis & Snell right now as some of their best young talents . I would lean towards the Pelicans as being the more likely partner as of now .

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I didn't know the Bulls value Snell that much. I would love to get a deal done with the Bulls, they have so many players that would make sense on our team. On the Pelicans, I like only Anderson and Gee and I would rather sign Anderson in the offseason than give up assets for him.

[City of Trees]

Monroe is a very bad fit for the kings.. bad fit next to cuz and a bad fit for Karl's system.. it also makes us much worse defensively

Next to Cousins I'd think Monroe would fit better than Koufus.... But I'm not a fan of trading for Monroe.... If the Bucks like that package find a 3rd team to take Monroe and find the Kings some perimeter defense.

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[PaKwAn]

Monroe is a very bad fit for the kings.. bad fit next to cuz and a bad fit for Karl's system.. it also makes us much worse defensively

Next to Cousins I'd think Monroe would fit better than Koufus.... But I'm not a fan of trading for Monroe.... If the Bucks like that package find a 3rd team to take Monroe and find the Kings some perimeter defense.

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offensively maybe,but not by much..defensively he is slow footed and can't even jump... I would rather have Willie get all that minutes... plus he makes more than cuz...

[City of Trees]

Monroe is a very bad fit for the kings.. bad fit next to cuz and a bad fit for Karl's system.. it also makes us much worse defensively

Next to Cousins I'd think Monroe would fit better than Koufus.... But I'm not a fan of trading for Monroe.... If the Bucks like that package find a 3rd team to take Monroe and find the Kings some perimeter defense.

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offensively maybe,but not by much..defensively he is slow footed and can't even jump... I would rather have Willie get all that minutes... plus he makes more than cuz...

Well so would I prefer WCS but I thought we were comparing Koufus and Monroe.

I did say I'm against the trade but I'm ok arguing Monroe would help this team more than Koufus can ....not including contract, just an on court observation.

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[nolafan33]

Pelicans fan here. I'm not surprised Dell turned down the Gay for Anderson deal. I'm personally not a huge Ryno fan, but I know Dell values him highly. I don't think Gay fits this team very well with the current guards and wings we have on the roster either. On top of that, I've heard from our own insiders that direction to make "major changes" has come down and I don't think Dell would do a player for player swap. I think there are a couple of others that interest him. A lot of what your insider is saying seems to match up with the insiders on our side. I've heard of a couple different discussed deals. One is Anderson and Gordon for Gay, Belinelli, and Collison.

[dozencousins]

Pelicans fan here. I'm not surprised Dell turned down the Gay for Anderson deal. I'm personally not a huge Ryno fan, but I know Dell values him highly. I don't think Gay fits this team very well with the current guards and wings we have on the roster either. On top of that, I've heard from our own insiders that direction to make "major changes" has come down and I don't think Dell would do a player for player swap. I think there are a couple of others that interest him. A lot of what your insider is saying seems to match up with the insiders on our side. I've heard of a couple different discussed deals. One is Anderson and Gordon for Gay, Belinelli, and Collison.

I posted that very trade proposal right on this thread january 1st via my inside source . That is not news to me .
Well the Kings & N.O are expected to resume talks on Monday no deal is for sure though .

Pelicans , Bulls , Clippers & Grizzlies to name a few interested in Gay .

[bleeds_purple]

If we can somehow turn Gay into Mirotic alone I will be eccastic. Anything else would be gravy.

[nolafan33]

Pelicans fan here. I'm not surprised Dell turned down the Gay for Anderson deal. I'm personally not a huge Ryno fan, but I know Dell values him highly. I don't think Gay fits this team very well with the current guards and wings we have on the roster either. On top of that, I've heard from our own insiders that direction to make "major changes" has come down and I don't think Dell would do a player for player swap. I think there are a couple of others that interest him. A lot of what your insider is saying seems to match up with the insiders on our side. I've heard of a couple different discussed deals. One is Anderson and Gordon for Gay, Belinelli, and Collison.

I posted that very trade proposal right on this thread january 1st via my inside source . That is not news to me .
Well the Kings & N.O are expected to resume talks on Monday no deal is for sure though .

Pelicans , Bulls , Clippers & Grizzlies to name a few interested in Gay .

I know you did, have you heard anything of a deal discussed around Tyreke and Ajinca for Rondo and any combination McLemore, Belinelli, or WCS? We were told that deal is less likely amd has somewhat died down because George Karl is who "LOVES" Evans (as the source put it) and it's unknown how long Karl will remain the coach. It is something that has been discussed though. We have been told the other teams to keep an eye on are Orlando, Brooklyn, Charlotte and Boston. Kind of tells me Dell would prefer to deal with the East. Orlando has some very interesting packages for Ryno, just a matter if Dell wants help now or players and picks that will help him down the road. Some good packages have been discussed with Sac as well.

[2Mas]

Why do you guys wanna get rid of Gay?

Seems like a fine #2 to Cousins. Wish he'd hit a little more of his 3's, but i think he's been playing fine. Kinda been the 1 constant all year.

[bleeds_purple]

Why do you guys wanna get rid of Gay?

Seems like a fine #2 to Cousins. Wish he'd hit a little more of his 3's, but i think he's been playing fine. Kinda been the 1 constant all year.

If by "1 constant" you mean consistently bad then I guess you're right.

[SacSanity]

Pelicans fan here. I'm not surprised Dell turned down the Gay for Anderson deal. I'm personally not a huge Ryno fan, but I know Dell values him highly. I don't think Gay fits this team very well with the current guards and wings we have on the roster either. On top of that, I've heard from our own insiders that direction to make "major changes" has come down and I don't think Dell would do a player for player swap. I think there are a couple of others that interest him. A lot of what your insider is saying seems to match up with the insiders on our side. I've heard of a couple different discussed deals. One is Anderson and Gordon for Gay, Belinelli, and Collison.

I posted that very trade proposal right on this thread january 1st via my inside source . That is not news to me .
Well the Kings & N.O are expected to resume talks on Monday no deal is for sure though .

Pelicans , Bulls , Clippers & Grizzlies to name a few interested in Gay .

I know you did, have you heard anything of a deal discussed around Tyreke and Ajinca for Rondo and any combination McLemore, Belinelli, or WCS? We were told that deal is less likely amd has somewhat died down because George Karl is who "LOVES" Evans (as the source put it) and it's unknown how long Karl will remain the coach. It is something that has been discussed though. We have been told the other teams to keep an eye on are Orlando, Brooklyn, Charlotte and Boston. Kind of tells me Dell would prefer to deal with the East. Orlando has some very interesting packages for Ryno, just a matter if Dell wants help now or players and picks that will help him down the road. Some good packages have been discussed with Sac as well.

I really do no think we would get Tyreke back. I def would not want to do it if that means giving up Rondo. I also do not think WCS will be in any discussions unless we get a real big piece back.

[SactoKingsFan]

Why do you guys wanna get rid of Gay?

Seems like a fine #2 to Cousins. Wish he'd hit a little more of his 3's, but i think he's been playing fine. Kinda been the 1 constant all year.

Gay hasn't been a good #2 offensive option this season and is a defensive liability. Might be the right time to trade Gay with Casspi playing so well and before his game falls off even more.

[blind prophet]

Why do you guys wanna get rid of Gay?

Seems like a fine #2 to Cousins. Wish he'd hit a little more of his 3's, but i think he's been playing fine. Kinda been the 1 constant all year.

I don't. I'd rather he goes back to being a SF and WCS takes up some of the defensive slack.

[SacKingZZZ]

There is some real over exaggeration as to Gays "terrible" play this year. Yeah, he's been a little out of position at times for sure, but he's right up around his career numbers and has been putting up stats close to his career highs of last year lately.

One of the biggest mistakes the Kings might just make is sending him off thinking it will make the team better via addition by subtraction. If they do, they must get better by quite a bit in another area of the game if they aren't bringing back a better fit number 2 option. Even if they do it's probably a lateral move. A shooting PF makes sense, a crop of defenders/shooters on the wing is a good fit, but who? Anderson is someone I'd like to see the Kings target, but if the Pelicans turned down Gay for him straight across then I question their ability to judge talent and situation as well as the Kings if they were willing to do it themselves.

[SacKingZZZ]

Why do you guys wanna get rid of Gay?

Seems like a fine #2 to Cousins. Wish he'd hit a little more of his 3's, but i think he's been playing fine. Kinda been the 1 constant all year.

Gay hasn't been a good #2 offensive option this season and is a defensive liability. Might be the right time to trade Gay with Casspi playing so well and before his game falls off even more.

The stats say he hasn't been a bad one either. I agree that Casspi playing so well does make the idea of Gay being moved plausible, but you have to realize what you're losing, not just what you're gaining. If you expect Casspi to fill in that role as a number 2, you will end up disappointed more than likely. Omri is one of the bright spots on the team, but part of that has to do with his role as well. He's great at being Omri, let it stay that way.

[SactoKingsFan]

Why do you guys wanna get rid of Gay?

Seems like a fine #2 to Cousins. Wish he'd hit a little more of his 3's, but i think he's been playing fine. Kinda been the 1 constant all year.

Gay hasn't been a good #2 offensive option this season and is a defensive liability. Might be the right time to trade Gay with Casspi playing so well and before his game falls off even more.

The stats say he hasn't been a bad one either. I agree that Casspi playing so well does make the idea of Gay being moved plausible, but you have to realize what you're losing, not just what you're gaining. If you expect Casspi to fill in that role as a number 2, you will end up disappointed more than likely. Omri is one of the bright spots on the team, but part of that has to do with his role as well. He's great at being Omri, let it stay that way.

Yeah, he's been ok on offense, but he hasn't been good enough to warrant being the 2nd offensive option on a team trying to make the playoffs. Kings just don't have a clear cut better option at this point. Then there's Rudy's defense which has ranged from acceptable to dreadful. His overall impact has been negligible at best.

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[King Close]

Just curious if you guys would do this trade: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gmjnlrl
If not, i'd be willing to do Tobias instead of Evan, or throw in (a) pick(s).

[dozencousins]

Pelicans fan here. I'm not surprised Dell turned down the Gay for Anderson deal. I'm personally not a huge Ryno fan, but I know Dell values him highly. I don't think Gay fits this team very well with the current guards and wings we have on the roster either. On top of that, I've heard from our own insiders that direction to make "major changes" has come down and I don't think Dell would do a player for player swap. I think there are a couple of others that interest him. A lot of what your insider is saying seems to match up with the insiders on our side. I've heard of a couple different discussed deals. One is Anderson and Gordon for Gay, Belinelli, and Collison.

I posted that very trade proposal right on this thread january 1st via my inside source . That is not news to me .
Well the Kings & N.O are expected to resume talks on Monday no deal is for sure though .

Pelicans , Bulls , Clippers & Grizzlies to name a few interested in Gay .

I know you did, have you heard anything of a deal discussed around Tyreke and Ajinca for Rondo and any combination McLemore, Belinelli, or WCS? We were told that deal is less likely amd has somewhat died down because George Karl is who "LOVES" Evans (as the source put it) and it's unknown how long Karl will remain the coach. It is something that has been discussed though. We have been told the other teams to keep an eye on are Orlando, Brooklyn, Charlotte and Boston. Kind of tells me Dell would prefer to deal with the East. Orlando has some very interesting packages for Ryno, just a matter if Dell wants help now or players and picks that will help him down the road. Some good packages have been discussed with Sac as well.

Kings have Zero interest in Tyreke . Mclemore & Rondo has not been mentioned so far in any deal with N.O.
Ajinca's name had been thrown out their but not from SAC'S side . Not much interest in him from Kings thus far .
Bottom line is N.O. wont trade us Anderson then no deal will happen between us 99% sure .
Trade hasn't happened yet as N.O. is hoping they will get a better offer however that is very unlikely . It will become more likely of Kings moving on & dealing with another team if Pelicans don't pull the trigger .
Demps know 100% sure he will not be able to keep Anderson so he would be wise to get something done fast with Sac or someone .
Holding out to the last minute on deadline day will get him less in return as all GM'S will know that he will have to a lesser more desperate deal to get anything really good for him .
Gay's contract if N.O. took it on could easily be re-traded again soon enough down the line & Demps could gain value from that should he feel that N.O. doesn't want to keep him long term . That said Gay's game would mesh really well into the N.O. system & Demps badly wants a solid sf that can be a great wing player as well .
Divac is getting a ton of calls so anyone who really wants Gay better move fast . Kings will not continue waiting as Divac is highly motivated to get a deal done that he feels will push us into the playoffs though he will not do a deal for the sake of doing a deal .