2023-2024 Trade Thread

[blind prophet]

Monte will not be used as leverage

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Yeah I never truly believed the interest, well not seriously. Same with LaVine.

If I had to guess Monte takes after Morey a bit and throws a lot of lines out there and the Kings have been used as leverage for the holy smoke since Vlade.

[BoogieTime]

Monte will not be used as leverage

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Thats what I was thinking.. leverage play on behalf of Masai

Back in the day teams did that with Vlade because he wasnt good at his job and everyone would believe it.

I've been vocal about not believing in Pascal's fit with his shooting drop and lack of rim protection with domas

[FarBeyondDriven]

I might be alone thinking Murray is overrated so I'd be all over this type of move. I like him and he is a solid #4 type but we need better if we want to really compete. We'd be getting exactly what this team needs to give us an actually shot at getting to the WCF or further. These opportunities don't happen very often for small market teams. You have to go for it. So what if you lose Siakam? You've put your best foot forward. It'd be one thing if Murray was this dynamic athlete with elite traits but he isn't. Plus he's not some young buck, he turns 24 y/o this Summer. Yes you'd lose Murray but I'm sorry, finding #4 guys is easy.

[codydaze]

I might be alone thinking Murray is overrated so I'd be all over this type of move. I like him and he is a solid #4 type but we need better if we want to really compete. We'd be getting exactly what this team needs to give us an actually shot at getting to the WCF or further. These opportunities don't happen very often for small market teams. You have to go for it. So what if you lose Siakam? You've put your best foot forward. It'd be one thing if Murray was this dynamic athlete with elite traits but he isn't. Plus he's not some young buck, he turns 24 y/o this Summer. Yes you'd lose Murray but I'm sorry, finding #4 guys is easy.

6'8" guys who can shoot off of movement and defend the way he has been defending are absolutely not easy to find and are valued extremely highly by every team that has one.

[City of Trees]

Raps need to send the Kings a 1st to pay Siakam max money

[OxAndFox]

I'm telling you guys, too much financial risk on the Huerter contract.

Could be Thornton 2.0

Maybe we can somehow BellyNelly him though?

Huerter is 11.5% of the cap this season.
In the most conservative estimate so far the salary cap only jumps 4.4% to $142m. It would still only be 11.8% of the cap. If the cap jumps the full 10% he would be around 11.2%. It's an easy deal to get off if the FO wants to.

Thornton was 13.9% of the cap before being traded which would equate to $18.9m this season.

I don't see the financial comparison at all.

Completely disagree.

I remember Thornton on a multi year deal, over paid, then leading to some handcuffs with cap space. Paying to offload him.

I see Huerter on a multi year deal, out of the rotation, not precisely cheap and find it interesting you think 2-3% of cap room expended makes some sort of contrarian argument. Waste of money = waste of money. He ain't holding up his end of the bargain today.

I remember the same sort of rhetoric with Jason Thompson, not being a double double guy but called one. Years go by and same people saying we could just move him etc.

Sprinkle in some dirty laundry and welcome Jarl Thompandry.

We just paid to offload Holmes.

If you can't see the financial risk....

Monk won't be cheap either.

He is possibly our next Thornton & I don't see his value as just being able to dump potentially long term as a guarantee.

Your talking like this is how Kevin Huerter is and always has been as a player and will be moving forward. Why do people quote 15-20-25-30 game sample sizes when there is a much larger body of work to go off?
He is in a shooting rut. It happens. You know the reason why he isn't paid $25-35m? Because he's a role player and not a star. Don't expect star things from a guy earning $15m (gee that feels borderline illegal saying that). There are many factors here. The focus on D. The focus on rebounding. Takes away his legs some on the offensive end, similar to Keegan. His finger injury. All of these play a part. I think I mentioned at the start of pre season, to me it looked like all of these guys came back not in good enough shape to do what Mike Brown wants. I don't think they realized he was going to toss out the offense and focus on D. He spoke about it last year, but this year was always going to be a bigger emphasis (not sure many knew it would be like this though) and I think every single player wasn't ready for it. Kevin should have been though as he lost his legs at stages last season so he should have at least been at peak fitness level.

I understand your worries, but IMO not only is it nowhere near a Marcus Thornton or Jason Thompson, or Carl Landry. Kevin could have close to more Kings wins than Thornton already in a year and a half. And the kicker is this team isn't run by Pete and instead has a competent guy in charge in Monte.
There's a difference from a guy putting up stats on a poor team and franchise to a guy playing his role, but struggling on a good team and, dare I say it, a good franchise.
He will get his chance again. Already Davion has been in and out and then in again. It's the way Mike is playing it and while I don't agree with it, who am I to say he is wrong.

[OxAndFox]

I might be alone thinking Murray is overrated so I'd be all over this type of move. I like him and he is a solid #4 type but we need better if we want to really compete. We'd be getting exactly what this team needs to give us an actually shot at getting to the WCF or further. These opportunities don't happen very often for small market teams. You have to go for it. So what if you lose Siakam? You've put your best foot forward. It'd be one thing if Murray was this dynamic athlete with elite traits but he isn't. Plus he's not some young buck, he turns 24 y/o this Summer. Yes you'd lose Murray but I'm sorry, finding #4 guys is easy.

6'8" guys who can shoot off of movement and defend the way he has been defending are absolutely not easy to find and are valued extremely highly by every team that has one.

Absolutely. And even more by the teams that don't have one.

[BoogieTime]

I might be alone thinking Murray is overrated so I'd be all over this type of move. I like him and he is a solid #4 type but we need better if we want to really compete. We'd be getting exactly what this team needs to give us an actually shot at getting to the WCF or further. These opportunities don't happen very often for small market teams. You have to go for it. So what if you lose Siakam? You've put your best foot forward. It'd be one thing if Murray was this dynamic athlete with elite traits but he isn't. Plus he's not some young buck, he turns 24 y/o this Summer. Yes you'd lose Murray but I'm sorry, finding #4 guys is easy.

Through the highs and lows, I've been pretty consistent on my stance on a Keegan trade. For a difference maker that the other team will probably require too many additives for my liking.

Obviously not for Toronto's expirings or ill fitting players - OG/Siakam, Lavine, Kuzma or any of that stuff. But as the cornerstone of a Lauri trade or a Donovan Mitchell true bonafide difference maker, I would as of now send Keegan packing (Ainge would require additives and probably wouldnt meet my threshold of taking our salary so we could renegotiate/extend him so its moot).

Just adding a concrete difference maker to Sabonis/Fox has the team at contention.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I might be alone thinking Murray is overrated so I'd be all over this type of move. I like him and he is a solid #4 type but we need better if we want to really compete. We'd be getting exactly what this team needs to give us an actually shot at getting to the WCF or further. These opportunities don't happen very often for small market teams. You have to go for it. So what if you lose Siakam? You've put your best foot forward. It'd be one thing if Murray was this dynamic athlete with elite traits but he isn't. Plus he's not some young buck, he turns 24 y/o this Summer. Yes you'd lose Murray but I'm sorry, finding #4 guys is easy.

Through the highs and lows, I've been pretty consistent on my stance on a Keegan trade. For a difference maker that the other team will probably require too many additives for my liking.

Obviously not for Toronto's expirings or ill fitting players - OG/Siakam, Lavine, Kuzma or any of that stuff. But as the cornerstone of a Lauri trade or a Donovan Mitchell true bonafide difference maker, I would as of now send Keegan packing (Ainge would require additives and probably wouldnt meet my threshold of taking our salary so we could renegotiate/extend him so its moot).

Just adding a concrete difference maker to Sabonis/Fox has the team at contention.

Siakam has already proven to be a championship winning #3 while with Toronto. That is what he'd be with us. Arguably the best #3 in the NBA and we'd have arguably the best Big Three in the NBA if he joined Fox and Sabonis. NOBODY is saying that about Murray because he's just a guy, a #4 type, like Barnes was with the Warriors in 2015. Our issue is we don't have a #3. I don't think Murray ever becomes a #2 and maybe even a great #3 so losing him doesn't really frighten me. I see most of you do which is why I can understand the reluctance to part with him. I don't think he's anywhere near the defender you people believe he's become nor that he has nearly the value around the league like you think. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Monk had more value at this point or at least very similar.

[LightTheBeam]

I was down for Siakam but I've preferred other routes from the start.

Jazz are rolling so wonder if Lauri is off the table.

Full steam ahead on team DFS/O'Neale. Fox, Monk, Murray, Sabonis, that's our core. Now give me some defenders who can make a 3.

[OxAndFox]

I was down for Siakam but I've preferred other routes from the start.

Jazz are rolling so wonder if Lauri is off the table.

Full steam ahead on team DFS/O'Neale. Fox, Monk, Murray, Sabonis, that's our core. Now give me some defenders who can make a 3.

Still a lot of time to play out. This iteration didn't see a change, but who knows? I do like the thought of getting defenders around those guys.
We're probably only a week or so away from a couple of new names to come out.

GS might just give the Lakers a reprieve but as you say, the Jazz are rolling and the Grizzlies should keep improving.
In the East who knows what Atlanta is going to do? Does anyone like a Bogi reunion? Not a defender we know. Anyway, should be an exciting few weeks.

[LightTheBeam]

I was down for Siakam but I've preferred other routes from the start.

Jazz are rolling so wonder if Lauri is off the table.

Full steam ahead on team DFS/O'Neale. Fox, Monk, Murray, Sabonis, that's our core. Now give me some defenders who can make a 3.

Still a lot of time to play out. This iteration didn't see a change, but who knows? I do like the thought of getting defenders around those guys.
We're probably only a week or so away from a couple of new names to come out.

GS might just give the Lakers a reprieve but as you say, the Jazz are rolling and the Grizzlies should keep improving.
In the East who knows what Atlanta is going to do? Does anyone like a Bogi reunion? Not a defender we know. Anyway, should be an exciting few weeks.

The only (available) guy I want from ATL is Murray. Hunter is nice in theory but that contract + his non stop injury history scares me away.

[BoogieTime]

Apparently we aren't willing to trade Keegan or pay Pascal the max

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-kings-wont-trade-keegan-211256535.html

Both those things are fine. Pascal is declining heading into his 30s and isnt the best fit. The question is still why were there reports that we were close, when the two GMS should have been in some type of contact about their positions over the years. Masai was using the earlier report as leverage is looks like of us putting huerter/barnes on the block to get other teams to pony up more

[OxAndFox]

Apparently we aren't willing to trade Keegan or pay Pascal the max

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-kings-wont-trade-keegan-211256535.html

Both those things are fine. Pascal is declining heading into his 30s and isnt the best fit. The question is still why were there reports that we were close, when the two GMS should have been in some type of contact about their positions over the years. Masai was using the earlier report as leverage is looks like of us putting huerter/barnes on the block to get other teams to pony up more

I'm not sure, it's a good question though. We know they've been talking about both OG/Siakam for a long time now. There was a sense that Monte didn't like the way Masai was negotiating last year. You saw it with the Blazers too. Not suggesting he did anything untoward, just I don't think Masai negotiates in good faith.
I think the Huerter/Barnes/Davion on the block talk either came from Masai & Co. or one of the players' agents as a way to hurt the Kings or, as you say, get other teams to pony up more.
It doesn't make sense that they're closing in on a deal, then a leak comes out about these guys and then it's off.

I think it could have simply been about the Warriors and trying to get them to include Kuminga.

[City of Trees]

Apparently we aren't willing to trade Keegan or pay Pascal the max

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-kings-wont-trade-keegan-211256535.html

Both those things are fine. Pascal is declining heading into his 30s and isnt the best fit. The question is still why were there reports that we were close, when the two GMS should have been in some type of contact about their positions over the years. Masai was using the earlier report as leverage is looks like of us putting huerter/barnes on the block to get other teams to pony up more

The fact Sacramento had extension talks with Siakam could mean a deal between the two teams was met. Interesting stuff here either way.

[LightTheBeam]

I think the biggest reason not to trade Keegan is because it still puts us in the same spot. One wing and nothing else.

Look at pelicans, Ingram, zion, herb, Murphy, Naji, Hawkins, Daniels. This team drafted a crap ton of mobile wings who play defense.

Was thinking about this yesterday. Outside of keegan we just don't draft wings. It's been guards non stop or trading picks away.

It's why I hated the Holmes deal also. You gave a chance at finding a wing to give sabonis an early extension. He was never turning down the money last year or after this year. Holmes today would be 12 million more tradeable money on a nearly expiring contract. And you'd have a young guy to develop and give minutes to or another tradeable piece.

Glad monte/Brown broke the playoff streak, but Monte so far has been meh. Let Bogi walk to trade for Huerter (downgrade that cost us a 1st), resigning Holmes cost us a pick, overpaid Barnes, wasted money taking duarte, drafted davion over Murphy and Jalen Johnson obvious wing fits.

[BoogieTime]

I think the biggest reason not to trade Keegan is because it still puts us in the same spot. One wing and nothing else.

Look at pelicans, Ingram, zion, herb, Murphy, Naji, Hawkins, Daniels. This team drafted a crap ton of mobile wings who play defense.

Was thinking about this yesterday. Outside of keegan we just don't draft wings. It's been guards non stop or trading picks away.

It's why I hated the Holmes deal also. You gave a chance at finding a wing to give sabonis an early extension. He was never turning down the money last year or after this year. Holmes today would be 12 million more tradeable money on a nearly expiring contract. And you'd have a young guy to develop and give minutes to or another tradeable piece.

Glad monte/Brown broke the playoff streak, but Monte so far has been meh. Let Bogi walk to trade for Huerter (downgrade that cost us a 1st), resigning Holmes cost us a pick, overpaid Barnes, wasted money taking duarte, drafted davion over Murphy and Jalen Johnson obvious wing fits.

I'm still caring less about locking up one of the best bigs in the league for the 23rd pick. There are several teams with cap, and its not unheard of for a guy to turn down a 4 year max for a 5 year max if he wants to relocate somewhere (how much money do you need).

[LightTheBeam]

I think the biggest reason not to trade Keegan is because it still puts us in the same spot. One wing and nothing else.

Look at pelicans, Ingram, zion, herb, Murphy, Naji, Hawkins, Daniels. This team drafted a crap ton of mobile wings who play defense.

Was thinking about this yesterday. Outside of keegan we just don't draft wings. It's been guards non stop or trading picks away.

It's why I hated the Holmes deal also. You gave a chance at finding a wing to give sabonis an early extension. He was never turning down the money last year or after this year. Holmes today would be 12 million more tradeable money on a nearly expiring contract. And you'd have a young guy to develop and give minutes to or another tradeable piece.

Glad monte/Brown broke the playoff streak, but Monte so far has been meh. Let Bogi walk to trade for Huerter (downgrade that cost us a 1st), resigning Holmes cost us a pick, overpaid Barnes, wasted money taking duarte, drafted davion over Murphy and Jalen Johnson obvious wing fits.

I'm still caring less about locking up one of the best bigs in the league for the 23rd pick. There are several teams with cap, and its not unheard of for a guy to turn down a 4 year max for a 5 year max if he wants to relocate somewhere (how much money do you need).

Trying to think of the last guy who turned down a 50/year salary to go test free agency. Lebron? Its pretty rare.

Just goes to show the difference between us and teams like OKC, Pelicans, Houston. Those teams weren't bad nearly as long as us. What do we have to show for it? We have 2 homegrown talents in Fox/Murray who aren't even that young. Those other 3 teams are full of home grown young guys who have big futures.

[BoogieTime]

I think the biggest reason not to trade Keegan is because it still puts us in the same spot. One wing and nothing else.

Look at pelicans, Ingram, zion, herb, Murphy, Naji, Hawkins, Daniels. This team drafted a crap ton of mobile wings who play defense.

Was thinking about this yesterday. Outside of keegan we just don't draft wings. It's been guards non stop or trading picks away.

It's why I hated the Holmes deal also. You gave a chance at finding a wing to give sabonis an early extension. He was never turning down the money last year or after this year. Holmes today would be 12 million more tradeable money on a nearly expiring contract. And you'd have a young guy to develop and give minutes to or another tradeable piece.

Glad monte/Brown broke the playoff streak, but Monte so far has been meh. Let Bogi walk to trade for Huerter (downgrade that cost us a 1st), resigning Holmes cost us a pick, overpaid Barnes, wasted money taking duarte, drafted davion over Murphy and Jalen Johnson obvious wing fits.

I'm still caring less about locking up one of the best bigs in the league for the 23rd pick. There are several teams with cap, and its not unheard of for a guy to turn down a 4 year max for a 5 year max if he wants to relocate somewhere (how much money do you need).

Trying to think of the last guy who turned down a 50/year salary to go test free agency. Lebron? Its pretty rare.

Just goes to show the difference between us and teams like OKC, Pelicans, Houston. Those teams weren't bad nearly as long as us. What do we have to show for it? We have 2 homegrown talents in Fox/Murray who aren't even that young. Those other 3 teams are full of home grown young guys who have big futures.

There are teams that either have space or can somehow come up with space to make him a decent offer. Not sure of the fit, but if he thought playing next to Embiid or Banchero/Wagner was more appealing than Fox, or somehow liked the location, he may think the quality of life of playing where he wants beats spending a bit more money he may never need. Pretty much all teams try to lock up their players from testing free agency. Is it common for teams to want their franchise players (and IMO this team is a lotto team without Domas for sure) to want to test FA so they can work around the edges more?

I'd have to go back and see if that was the difference in what is largely a inconsequential pick, the team still had sizable space and was pursuing Kuzma and other FAs and gave it to Barnes?

[OxAndFox]

Ok. So does it sound like the Siakam deal was Barnes/Huerter/Pick(s) for Siakam and Toronto wanted to swap in Monk instead of Huerter and Monte wouldn't do it as they don't want to max Siakam?