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Post#161 » by OGSactownballer » Sun Oct 6, 2024 6:09 pm

codydaze wrote:According to Mike Brown, it looks Keon is opening camp as the starting 2 guard but has put in the condition that this is while Huerter is out. I think Keon ends up winning that job regardless due to his defensive impact and low usage but this is what a lot of us were hoping for. If he can maintain his percentage from deep with an increase in volume, he's literally the perfect fit to fill out that starting unit. He should get lots of open kick out looks playing alongside Fox/Demar/Sabonis.


Beyond the fact that having a top tier defender on the perimeter finally totally balances the lineup (especially with adding DDR), Keon has become very good at the set three and that fills the need there perfectly.
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Post#162 » by OGSactownballer » Sun Oct 6, 2024 6:18 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:It’s a huge effect on their offense though.

Now you have both Gobert - who cannot shoot outside of six feet - and Randle - who is entirely post dominant to be effective - both clogging the paint and Ant is hostile needs very much to get downhill into the paint to be effective.

This screams money cut when Randle expires along with some extra depth at wing and a much needed draft pick.

That team will suffer in the overall picture and that’s without accounting for Randle missing games (has been every year now).

I figure they drop to the 47-49 range and 5/6 in the play in fight overall.


I don't love the Randle fit, but I love them moving off of KAT and adding DDV.

That team is positioned so well to take a massive leap. We saw what Naz looked like as a starter when KAT went down, NAZ was suddenly 16/7 with incredible defense and 43% from the 3pt line playing with the starters.

McDaniels will take another leap this year. Ant is going to soon be considered a clear cut top 5 guy in the league.

The team absolutely didn't miss a beat when KAT went out, arguably they were better, now add DDV who was an absolute stud last year for NY.

We are sleeping if we think Minnesota is suddenly going to be that much worse. .677 win percentage when KAT played, 70% when he didn't. And he was an absolute liability who costed them that Dallas series.


I completely agree about Naz.

As you might recall, before he resigned I 110% wanted Naz HERE as our starting PF next to Domas. I saw his potential and saw him as a seamless fit for this team.

Unfortunately the way it is for Minny right now, he isn’t going to start ahead of Randle. Only when Randle is hurt. So that nullifies some of his ability to help out.

And while I agree about DDV, he also started a lot last year when guys were out so his affect and numbers will also be limited by being a backup.

Lastly I felt that Minnesota had an early jump out last year but tailed down to much more average later and was exposed (Gobert) as usual in the playoffs. I feel that they will come down some anyway since they overachieved and really had pretty good health most of the season. As we saw here, that changes and so does your results as a team.

Edit to add: To your point you are right. They DID NOT miss a beat for exactly the reasons we both agree on - Naz is a FAR better fit next to Gobert and with Ant because he opens up then inside by being a high percentage three and D PF.

But Randle’s NOT that at all. His defense is arguably much than KAT - who actually can rebound and block shots effectively enough to allow their perimeter defense to do its job. He is an automatic clog in the paint as he isn’t anywhere CLOSE to the three point shooter in either volume or ability as KAT. And he needs a lot of volume to put up his normal scoring - which takes the ball out of the hands of the three point shooters.

So overall the defense is worse and so is the offense - which stands a very good chance of stagnating.

We will see but I see a drop off.
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Post#163 » by OxAndFox » Mon Oct 7, 2024 6:33 am

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in what world would that make sense? regular season or playoffs? https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/30/24167795/rudy-gobert-minnesota-timberwolves-defense-luka-doncic

How do you know who he gets shipped out for?


Why would he get shipped out if the team is largely him?

That's not the question. You said it wouldn't make sense. You can't suggest that if you don't know what a Gobert trade looks like.
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Post#164 » by BoogieTime » Mon Oct 7, 2024 4:27 pm

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OxAndFox wrote:How do you know who he gets shipped out for?


Why would he get shipped out if the team is largely him?

That's not the question. You said it wouldn't make sense. You can't suggest that if you don't know what a Gobert trade looks like.


Well, lets start with why they are good...

They are good because of their defense which is one of the best the league has seen, right? Now is that because of the DPOY, who has had a similar affect on other teams, and has great statistical affect on Minnesota, or is that because of some other member of the team (like a volume scoring guard?)

If its because of Gobert, who would you trade for that would be available to replicate what is happening?

Either you would have to rely on some guy like Naz Reid to replicate Gobert which is a huge stretch at this juncture, or go in a whole different direction team wise.

It doesn't make sense because he is integral AND no one is available on the market to sustain that great D. Unless we are hedging on his age and trying to go younger, but, I don't know if you mess with where they are
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Re: 2024-25 General Thread 

Post#165 » by LightTheBeam » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:31 pm

BoogieTime wrote:
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in what world would that make sense? regular season or playoffs? https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/30/24167795/rudy-gobert-minnesota-timberwolves-defense-luka-doncic

How do you know who he gets shipped out for?


Why would he get shipped out if the team is largely him?


Advanced stats are cool to look at (they also seem to heavily favor big men), but then you watch the games and its beyond clear that this team will go as far as Ant will take them. Gobert is similar to Sabonis, hes a very solid floor raiser. That said he's not going to be the one to lift you over the edge and smart teams will scheme him out of the game pretty easily.

For that team to win a title, it will be because Ant is a top 5 player in the league, not because Gobert was the center.

And me personally, I like the idea of DDV - Ant - McDaniels - Naz and another mobile big man that can stretch the floor and switch with Naz, McDaniels on the perimeter. An OG type would be great, Aaron Gordon, Draymond.
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Post#166 » by LightTheBeam » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:35 pm

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OGSactownballer wrote:It’s a huge effect on their offense though.

Now you have both Gobert - who cannot shoot outside of six feet - and Randle - who is entirely post dominant to be effective - both clogging the paint and Ant is hostile needs very much to get downhill into the paint to be effective.

This screams money cut when Randle expires along with some extra depth at wing and a much needed draft pick.

That team will suffer in the overall picture and that’s without accounting for Randle missing games (has been every year now).

I figure they drop to the 47-49 range and 5/6 in the play in fight overall.


I don't love the Randle fit, but I love them moving off of KAT and adding DDV.

That team is positioned so well to take a massive leap. We saw what Naz looked like as a starter when KAT went down, NAZ was suddenly 16/7 with incredible defense and 43% from the 3pt line playing with the starters.

McDaniels will take another leap this year. Ant is going to soon be considered a clear cut top 5 guy in the league.

The team absolutely didn't miss a beat when KAT went out, arguably they were better, now add DDV who was an absolute stud last year for NY.

We are sleeping if we think Minnesota is suddenly going to be that much worse. .677 win percentage when KAT played, 70% when he didn't. And he was an absolute liability who costed them that Dallas series.


I completely agree about Naz.

As you might recall, before he resigned I 110% wanted Naz HERE as our starting PF next to Domas. I saw his potential and saw him as a seamless fit for this team.

Unfortunately the way it is for Minny right now, he isn’t going to start ahead of Randle. Only when Randle is hurt. So that nullifies some of his ability to help out.

And while I agree about DDV, he also started a lot last year when guys were out so his affect and numbers will also be limited by being a backup.

Lastly I felt that Minnesota had an early jump out last year but tailed down to much more average later and was exposed (Gobert) as usual in the playoffs. I feel that they will come down some anyway since they overachieved and really had pretty good health most of the season. As we saw here, that changes and so does your results as a team.

Edit to add: To your point you are right. They DID NOT miss a beat for exactly the reasons we both agree on - Naz is a FAR better fit next to Gobert and with Ant because he opens up then inside by being a high percentage three and D PF.

But Randle’s NOT that at all. His defense is arguably much than KAT - who actually can rebound and block shots effectively enough to allow their perimeter defense to do its job. He is an automatic clog in the paint as he isn’t anywhere CLOSE to the three point shooter in either volume or ability as KAT. And he needs a lot of volume to put up his normal scoring - which takes the ball out of the hands of the three point shooters.

So overall the defense is worse and so is the offense - which stands a very good chance of stagnating.

We will see but I see a drop off.


It just depends if they can get Randle to swallow his pride and become an absolute beast of a 6th man this year. I also wouldn't entirely rule him being traded as an expiring during the deadline.

But if you can get Randle to be the guy in the non Ant minutes, and share the floor with him as a pnr guy, they would be very dangerous!
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Post#167 » by OGSactownballer » Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:34 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:
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I don't love the Randle fit, but I love them moving off of KAT and adding DDV.

That team is positioned so well to take a massive leap. We saw what Naz looked like as a starter when KAT went down, NAZ was suddenly 16/7 with incredible defense and 43% from the 3pt line playing with the starters.

McDaniels will take another leap this year. Ant is going to soon be considered a clear cut top 5 guy in the league.

The team absolutely didn't miss a beat when KAT went out, arguably they were better, now add DDV who was an absolute stud last year for NY.

We are sleeping if we think Minnesota is suddenly going to be that much worse. .677 win percentage when KAT played, 70% when he didn't. And he was an absolute liability who costed them that Dallas series.


I completely agree about Naz.

As you might recall, before he resigned I 110% wanted Naz HERE as our starting PF next to Domas. I saw his potential and saw him as a seamless fit for this team.

Unfortunately the way it is for Minny right now, he isn’t going to start ahead of Randle. Only when Randle is hurt. So that nullifies some of his ability to help out.

And while I agree about DDV, he also started a lot last year when guys were out so his affect and numbers will also be limited by being a backup.

Lastly I felt that Minnesota had an early jump out last year but tailed down to much more average later and was exposed (Gobert) as usual in the playoffs. I feel that they will come down some anyway since they overachieved and really had pretty good health most of the season. As we saw here, that changes and so does your results as a team.

Edit to add: To your point you are right. They DID NOT miss a beat for exactly the reasons we both agree on - Naz is a FAR better fit next to Gobert and with Ant because he opens up then inside by being a high percentage three and D PF.

But Randle’s NOT that at all. His defense is arguably much than KAT - who actually can rebound and block shots effectively enough to allow their perimeter defense to do its job. He is an automatic clog in the paint as he isn’t anywhere CLOSE to the three point shooter in either volume or ability as KAT. And he needs a lot of volume to put up his normal scoring - which takes the ball out of the hands of the three point shooters.

So overall the defense is worse and so is the offense - which stands a very good chance of stagnating.

We will see but I see a drop off.


It just depends if they can get Randle to swallow his pride and become an absolute beast of a 6th man this year. I also wouldn't entirely rule him being traded as an expiring during the deadline.

But if you can get Randle to be the guy in the non Ant minutes, and share the floor with him as a pnr guy, they would be very dangerous!


I don’t see Randle’s ego accepting going from multi time All Star and anchor of his team to sixth man. Just not happening.
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Post#168 » by Jkam31 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:48 am

Guys Keegan looks like he’s gonna be a star
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Post#169 » by codydaze » Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:50 pm

If this was the "something to come" that Sean Cunningham was alluding to then that is super underwhelming :lol: but I don't hate adding Dougie to this squad. Wish we prioritized defense but another sniper doesn't hurt.

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Post#170 » by blind prophet » Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:55 pm

codydaze wrote:If this was the "something to come" that Sean Cunningham was alluding to then that is super underwhelming :lol: but I don't hate adding Dougie to this squad. Wish we prioritized defense but another sniper doesn't hurt.

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Post#171 » by OxAndFox » Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:57 am

codydaze wrote:If this was the "something to come" that Sean Cunningham was alluding to then that is super underwhelming :lol: but I don't hate adding Dougie to this squad. Wish we prioritized defense but another sniper doesn't hurt.

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I thought the same thing when I seen this.
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Post#172 » by G R E Y » Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:47 pm

Super happy for Doug 'Best Hair in the League' McBuckets to be landing in such a good, competitive spot. You'll be pleasantly surprised at how great he is off ball and how valuable that quick accurate release is.

(Just don't pay the D any mind; more nights than not the O offsets it).

He's an amazing locker room guy, fits in with the culture, makes no demands, ready when called, gives his best each time. Absolutely no drama.

And with the great off ball movement, he will get plenty of open shots from Fox and DD (who is a terrific passer). DM is a big body who can drive to keep defenses honest as well. Solid addition. Happy for your team and for Doug. Surprised it took this long for a valuable commodity to find a home but worth the wait.
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Post#173 » by KF10 » Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:04 pm

codydaze wrote:If this was the "something to come" that Sean Cunningham was alluding to then that is super underwhelming :lol: but I don't hate adding Dougie to this squad. Wish we prioritized defense but another sniper doesn't hurt.

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I like this move since Dougie is an upgrade over McDaniels. Dougie is a solid 9th or 10th guy.
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Post#174 » by dckingsfan » Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:49 pm

KF10 wrote:I like this move since Dougie is an upgrade over McDaniels. Dougie is a solid 9th or 10th guy.

Right. They are now 10 deep if you will... Fox, DeRozan, Monk, Ellis, Huerter, McDermott, Murray, Lyles, Sabonis, Len (iffy).

Now, if they could just upgrade the defensive intensity...
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Post#175 » by BoogieTime » Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:52 am

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codydaze wrote:If this was the "something to come" that Sean Cunningham was alluding to then that is super underwhelming :lol: but I don't hate adding Dougie to this squad. Wish we prioritized defense but another sniper doesn't hurt.

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I like this move since Dougie is an upgrade over McDaniels. Dougie is a solid 9th or 10th guy.



I thought he looked spry out there against the Clippers, one of the positives I could say about the preseason. He was solid up until his short Indiana stint last year. He's worth one second for sure, he looked like he had some gas in the tank. It became convoluted how many 2nds we were giving up and for what this offseason
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Post#176 » by KF10 » Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:11 pm

BoogieTime wrote:I thought he looked spry out there against the Clippers, one of the positives I could say about the preseason. He was solid up until his short Indiana stint last year. He's worth one second for sure, he looked like he had some gas in the tank. It became convoluted how many 2nds we were giving up and for what this offseason


Dougie got plucked from the street and performed better than than most of the end of the bench guys the Kings had lol

He will be an interesting player to keep an eye on, imo.
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Post#177 » by typedrat » Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:46 pm

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Why on earth are we doing this? Huerter hasn't been good since the 2023 All Star Break.
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Post#178 » by KF10 » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:57 pm

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Why on earth are we doing this? Huerter hasn't been good since the 2023 All Star Break.


I know Huerter played a big part of the offense 2 years ago but this doesn’t feel right. I thought Keon earned his starting position at the 2 spot. Like you said in your post above, Huerter hasn’t been good at all last season.
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Post#179 » by BoogieTime » Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:56 am

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Why on earth are we doing this? Huerter hasn't been good since the 2023 All Star Break.


I know Huerter played a big part of the offense 2 years ago but this doesn’t feel right. I thought Keon earned his starting position at the 2 spot. Like you said in your post above, Huerter hasn’t been good at all last season.


Have you guys watched Keon lately? SL or preseason?

He might be another project that didn't get finished.

I think OxandFox was ahead of us on this one (first time I think I'm saying it). I think Keon fully took me back to Kevin starting even accounting for Huerter coming back from lengthy injury

Though im hoping Devin heals quickly, ultimately
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Post#180 » by KF10 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:40 am

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Why on earth are we doing this? Huerter hasn't been good since the 2023 All Star Break.


I know Huerter played a big part of the offense 2 years ago but this doesn’t feel right. I thought Keon earned his starting position at the 2 spot. Like you said in your post above, Huerter hasn’t been good at all last season.


Have you guys watched Keon lately? SL or preseason?

He might be another project that didn't get finished.

I think OxandFox was ahead of us on this one (first time I think I'm saying it). I think Keon fully took me back to Kevin starting even accounting for Huerter coming back from lengthy injury

Though im hoping Devin heals quickly, ultimately


I don't take SL or preseason too seriously when it comes to player evaluations. I still believe Keon deserves to continue to occupy the starting 2 spot until he loses it, imo.

Before Huerter went down, he lost his spot to Duarte at one point lol Huerter was horrendous when his shot wasn't falling. I would like to see him ease into the bench role but it sounds like Brown wants to start him from the get go.

We will see if this is the right move.

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