NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[stinger14]

Would Kings fans have any interest in a trade like this?

Kings get MKG from Charlotte

Hornets get Afflalo and #10

MKG is still only 23 years old, and Afflalo doesnt fit with the Kings rebuild and will probably be let go anyway. Basically it's MKG for #10 and Afflalo contract to make the money work

Afflalo doesn't have to be included to make the money work because we have so much cap space. We can take any amount of contracts coming back up until the cap without having to match salaries.

Do the Kings plan on keeping Afflalo? If the Kings would rather do MKG for 10 straight up, it works for me

[dckingsfan]

Would Kings fans have any interest in a trade like this?

Kings get MKG from Charlotte

Hornets get Afflalo and #10

MKG is still only 23 years old, and Afflalo doesnt fit with the Kings rebuild and will probably be let go anyway. Basically it's MKG for #10 and Afflalo contract to make the money work

Afflalo doesn't have to be included to make the money work because we have so much cap space. We can take any amount of contracts coming back up until the cap without having to match salaries.

Yep Vegan, no need to trade Afflalo. And no to MKG.

[VeganKingsFan]

Would Kings fans have any interest in a trade like this?

Kings get MKG from Charlotte

Hornets get Afflalo and #10

MKG is still only 23 years old, and Afflalo doesnt fit with the Kings rebuild and will probably be let go anyway. Basically it's MKG for #10 and Afflalo contract to make the money work

Afflalo doesn't have to be included to make the money work because we have so much cap space. We can take any amount of contracts coming back up until the cap without having to match salaries.

Do the Kings plan on keeping Afflalo? If the Kings would rather do MKG for 10 straight up, it works for me

We definitely aren't keeping Afflalo. They're going to waive him. However, he is a negative trade asset because the receiving team will lose their trade exception for outgoing salaries and would have to have the 1.5 million of guaranteed on their books.

[VeganKingsFan]

Would Kings fans have any interest in a trade like this?

Kings get MKG from Charlotte

Hornets get Afflalo and #10

MKG is still only 23 years old, and Afflalo doesnt fit with the Kings rebuild and will probably be let go anyway. Basically it's MKG for #10 and Afflalo contract to make the money work

Afflalo doesn't have to be included to make the money work because we have so much cap space. We can take any amount of contracts coming back up until the cap without having to match salaries.

Yep Vegan, no need to trade Afflalo. And no to MKG.

I agree, no to MKG. I like him, but definitely not for the 10th pick, and definitely not if we draft De'Aaron Fox because of the spacing issues. Also, the timeline for MKG compared to our team is still off enough that we shouldn't give up great draft value for him. Another team who is a little farther along would offer something better than a low offer we'd make it to be worth it for us.

[dckingsfan]

And I still think this draft period should be about acquiring other picks. Don't trade #5 or #10. Instead look to take on "bad" contracts along with additional assets. Do this for this year and next.

If the Fultz to the Sixers does come about - they will have Fultz, Simmons and Embiid to build around. But it took time and several twists. You have to assume there will be some failures along the way.

[VeganKingsFan]

And I still think this draft period should be about acquiring other picks. Don't trade #5 or #10. Instead look to take on "bad" contracts along with additional assets. Do this for this year and next.

If the Fultz to the Sixers does come about - they will have Fultz, Simmons and Embiid to build around. But it took time and several twists. You have to assume there will be some failures along the way.

Exactly. I see a lot of people concerned about "too much young talent." Would you rather have not enough young talent? It's ridiculous. If we draft the right guys and invest in their development, we shouldn't limit how much young talent we have. We have all this cap space and plenty of picks to be had.

[City of Trees]

And I still think this draft period should be about acquiring other picks. Don't trade #5 or #10. Instead look to take on "bad" contracts along with additional assets. Do this for this year and next.

If the Fultz to the Sixers does come about - they will have Fultz, Simmons and Embiid to build around. But it took time and several twists. You have to assume there will be some failures along the way.

Exactly. I see a lot of people concerned about "too much young talent." Would you rather have not enough young talent? It's ridiculous. If we draft the right guys and invest in their development, we shouldn't limit how much young talent we have. We have all this cap space and plenty of picks to be had.

At some point you overwhelm your coaching staff. I don't know where that line is for Joergers staff, but the line does exist

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[VeganKingsFan]

And I still think this draft period should be about acquiring other picks. Don't trade #5 or #10. Instead look to take on "bad" contracts along with additional assets. Do this for this year and next.

If the Fultz to the Sixers does come about - they will have Fultz, Simmons and Embiid to build around. But it took time and several twists. You have to assume there will be some failures along the way.

Exactly. I see a lot of people concerned about "too much young talent." Would you rather have not enough young talent? It's ridiculous. If we draft the right guys and invest in their development, we shouldn't limit how much young talent we have. We have all this cap space and plenty of picks to be had.

At some point you overwhelm your coaching staff. I don't know where that line is for Joergers staff, but the line does exist

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Then you hire more coaching staff. There's plenty of good coaching talent out there. Those players can be coached somewhere else, or we can get coaches to coach them here. I say we get that young talent and coach them here instead of letting them be coached by another team who keeps them. If a coaching staff is overwhelmed, it's not because there are too many young players, it would be because we didn't prepare well enough for all the young players. If we know we'll have that many young players, it's the job of management and coaching to prepare to coach that many young players. That includes more hires.

[rpa]

Anyone else a little bit worried that the Kings haven't worked out (or even talked to as far as I can tell) DSJ? Not considering him really eliminates any backup plan for Fox getting taken at 2, 3, or 4.

[kingjawn100]

Anyone else a little bit worried that the Kings haven't worked out (or even talked to as far as I can tell) DSJ? Not considering him really eliminates any backup plan for Fox getting taken at 2, 3, or 4.

Have they talked to Tatum either?

[SacKingZZZ]

And I still think this draft period should be about acquiring other picks. Don't trade #5 or #10. Instead look to take on "bad" contracts along with additional assets. Do this for this year and next.

If the Fultz to the Sixers does come about - they will have Fultz, Simmons and Embiid to build around. But it took time and several twists. You have to assume there will be some failures along the way.

Exactly. I see a lot of people concerned about "too much young talent." Would you rather have not enough young talent? It's ridiculous. If we draft the right guys and invest in their development, we shouldn't limit how much young talent we have. We have all this cap space and plenty of picks to be had.

At some point you overwhelm your coaching staff. I don't know where that line is for Joergers staff, but the line does exist

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Yep. You never want too want too much of any one thing because at that point you just make it almost impossible to work on the floor. The Kings are at a point where they might have a really nice balance where almost every starting spot is filled with players that the team can grow with.

[SacKingZZZ]

Anyone else a little bit worried that the Kings haven't worked out (or even talked to as far as I can tell) DSJ? Not considering him really eliminates any backup plan for Fox getting taken at 2, 3, or 4.

Not at all if it means they realize the potentially bad fit he represents on the floor. I read somewhere DSJ had a group showcase workout on the 15th or something like that, maybe the Kings were there?

[SacKingZZZ]

Exactly. I see a lot of people concerned about "too much young talent." Would you rather have not enough young talent? It's ridiculous. If we draft the right guys and invest in their development, we shouldn't limit how much young talent we have. We have all this cap space and plenty of picks to be had.

At some point you overwhelm your coaching staff. I don't know where that line is for Joergers staff, but the line does exist

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Then you hire more coaching staff. There's plenty of good coaching talent out there. Those players can be coached somewhere else, or we can get coaches to coach them here. I say we get that young talent and coach them here instead of letting them be coached by another team who keeps them. If a coaching staff is overwhelmed, it's not because there are too many young players, it would be because we didn't prepare well enough for all the young players. If we know we'll have that many young players, it's the job of management and coaching to prepare to coach that many young players. That includes more hires.

It's not always just about coaching, it's about having a chance to play and see some success on the floor. Perpetually young teams seems always end up on the bottom of the pack and tend to play some very poor basketball fundamentally which can absolutely effect the mental aspects for all involved.

I will say this though. The Kings may have an advantage over some really young teams, you know, the teams chalk full of 19 and 20 year olds. A few of their main pieces moving forward are already in that 24-25 range which means they are already more developed both physically and life experience wise. In theory there should be a lot less hands on necessities with those players so that could ease the burden and also put to bed any issues that typically occur on super young teams. You will sometimes see tensions between those young players as they attempt to assert their dominance over their teammates which causes other issues. When you have guys like Buddy and Willie they should be able to temper that a bit because they should have that seniority.

[dozencousins]

Kings have not waived A.A. because they are in talks with the Blazers & another team .
Yes he could be traded still . If not as expected he will be waived .
I am 100% sure he will not be a King next season.

Their is also a great chance that Koufas may be dealt . Also Cauley Stein has been talked about but theirs a much greater chance he does not get traded .

One of the trade proposals talked about was Afflao ( would be waived by the blazers ) & Koufas in a deal for Harkless , Ezeli & the 20th . Their are different possibilities that could happen but we are talking options with the Blazers .

Kings take on cap & get compensated & Blazers dump cap & give a pick for kings taking on the extra $$$$ . Should such a deal actually happen .

Aminu & Crabbe has been players talked about in different trade possibilities as well .

KINGS & LAKERS had talks were the Kings get the # 2 pick for our # 5 & #34 pick however nothing has gained enough steam as of yet .

Bulls are trying hard to trade up
Wolves & Detroit are trying to trade down or out as of now .

Kings are in talks with many teams most notably the Blazers , Wolves , Det , lakers & Bulls .
We had talks with both Boston & 76ers as well .

No talks are to deep right now but the closest is with the Blazers as of now .

I feel their is a great chance the Kings will acquire either another 1st this year or next . I prefer the 1st next year as I really want Miles Bridges .

[nolimit0820]

There's definitely such thing as too much young talent because that young talent has to be developed in the context of valuable NBA experience. There reaches a point IMO when a team says this is the young core we want to build around and they move forward.

[dozencousins]

Follow up : If the 76ers & Celics trade happens . I firmly believe 76ers will choose J.Jackson 1st .
They should choose Fultz however I feel they are trading up for Jackson as they fear the Lakers would choose him instead of Ball .

If 76ers get the 1st and no other top 5 picks are dealt . I say the top 5 picks would be "

# 1 J.Jackson = 76ers
# 2 Ball = Lakers
# 3 Fultz = Celtics
# 4 Tatum = Suns
# 5 Fox = Kings

& to go further if 6-10 are not traded I say it goes as follows :

# 6 D.Smith = Orl
#7 Monk = Wolves
#8 Ntilikana = Knicks
#9 Markkanen = Mavs
#10 Issac = Kings

Now I expect another team or two to trade out of the top 10 . However if the 76ers & Celtics make their trade & the draft holds true this is what I predict as my top 10 picks predictions .

[nolimit0820]

Fultz would not get past the lakers

[209Kings]

Follow up : If the 76ers & Celics trade happens . I firmly believe 76ers will choose J.Jackson 1st .
They should choose Fultz however I feel they are trading up for Jackson as they fear the Lakers would choose him instead of Ball .

If 76ers get the 1st and no other top 5 picks are dealt . I say the top 5 picks would be "

# 1 J.Jackson = 76ers
# 2 Ball = Lakers
# 3 Fultz = Celtics
# 4 Tatum = Suns
# 5 Fox = Kings

& to go further if 6-10 are not traded I say it goes as follows :

# 6 D.Smith = Orl
#7 Monk = Wolves
#8 Ntilikana = Knicks
#9 Markkanen = Mavs
#10 Issac = Kings

Now I expect another team or two to trade out of the top 10 . However if the 76ers & Celtics make their trade & the draft holds true this is what I predict as my top 10 picks predictions .

It would be an epic draft if we land Fox and Isaac. Then land Bell or Mason in the 2nd. That would be an A+ draft

76ers are trading up for Fultz. If for some reason they take Jackson, Lakers are 100% taking Fultz over Ball.

[dozencousins]

You guys may be right but my gut feeling tells me otherwise .
We will see . I don't care of I am wrong as long as we get Fox .

[kalenclayton]

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