2024-25 General Thread

Jkam31 · Post #181 » by **Jkam31** » Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:29 am

If we’re going all offense than Cam Johnson has to be starting for us by February he’d provides us with elite shooting but also has decent to good defense and great size for a guard

OxAndFox · Post #182 » by **OxAndFox** » Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:25 pm

Jkam31 wrote:If we’re going all offense than Cam Johnson has to be starting for us by February he’d provides us with elite shooting but also has decent to good defense and great size for a guard

I feel that is the reason Kevin is starting. I think the organisation finds a trade when Kevin can show there are no ill effects from the injury. I'm not sure the Nets would take Kevin though given that Jordi would be trying to develop a defensive program so it may just take a 3rd team.
Indiana, Philly, OKC, Wizards, Utah and Denver have all started the season poorly from long range. Could see Utah having interest from that group only. Maybe something surrounding John Collins/draft compensation to BKN, Kevin to Utah, and Cam to Kings.

Fox/Keon
DDR/Monk
Murray/Carter
Johnson/Lyles
Sabonis/Len

Lyles/Ellis/Len will have low minutes.

OxAndFox · Post #183 » by **OxAndFox** » Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:27 pm

Oh. I was going to add if the Kings keep that small line-up for too long into this season it might just get away from them and if they don't make POs you would expect Brown is gone and there are massive changes in the playing group.

Post #184 » by **City of Trees** » Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:10 pm

I'm alive!

LightTheBeam · Post #185 » by **LightTheBeam** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:23 pm

Next stretch of games should be interesting. Typical struggle on these east coast trips, and this one feels earlier than typical. Tons of upcoming games we should be favored. If we continue to handle business against these bad teams, and play up to good teams like we did last year, going to be an exciting year.

OxAndFox · Post #186 » by **OxAndFox** » Mon Nov 4, 2024 3:32 am

I'm just going to say it. The Kings should have kept Jordi and moved on from Brown during the off season. It was a difficult scenario and would have been a gutsy call, however they're the ones that can make the difference between being an also ran and contender. This is a very, very good group of players and they still should make it to top 3 in the West IMO, but Jordi's coaching is on an elite level.

I know a lot of people were in the same boat, and I certainly wasn't against signing Brown, but boy it's looking like a big mistake IMO.

Jkam31 · Post #187 » by **Jkam31** » Mon Nov 4, 2024 3:59 am

OxAndFox wrote:I'm just going to say it. The Kings should have kept Jordi and moved on from Brown during the off season. It was a difficult scenario and would have been a gutsy call, however they're the ones that can make the difference between being an also ran and contender. This is a very, very good group of players and they still should make it to top 3 in the West IMO, but Jordi's coaching is on an elite level.

I know a lot of people were in the same boat, and I certainly wasn't against signing Brown, but boy it's looking like a big mistake IMO.

Ya it’s early but Jordi has Brooklyn playing some ball and there best player is who Dennis Schroeder

Jkam31 · Post #188 » by **Jkam31** » Mon Nov 4, 2024 4:08 am

To try and fix our lack of size we should try and trade Huerter, Lyles, future 1’sts, and cap fillers (Doug, Jordan) for Kuzma and Valanciunas.

Bring Kuzma and Jonas off the bench and start Keon while developing Carter to take over. This would improve our size and bench depth as well Monk, Kuzma, and Jonas is a lot of firepower off the bench sprinkled in with Carter

We’ve been linked to both guys a lot as well

OxAndFox · Post #189 » by **OxAndFox** » Mon Nov 4, 2024 10:05 am

Jkam31 wrote:To try and fix our lack of size we should try and trade Huerter, Lyles, future 1’sts, and cap fillers (Doug, Jordan) for Kuzma and Valanciunas.

Bring Kuzma and Jonas off the bench and start Keon while developing Carter to take over. This would improve our size and bench depth as well Monk, Kuzma, and Jonas is a lot of firepower off the bench sprinkled in with Carter

We’ve been linked to both guys a lot as well

I don't hate this at all and completely agree the size can become an issue. BUT. Only questions are is there enough shots to go around for Kuzma? Would there be enough minutes for JV?

Jkam31 · Post #190 » by **Jkam31** » Mon Nov 4, 2024 6:57 pm

OxAndFox wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:To try and fix our lack of size we should try and trade Huerter, Lyles, future 1’sts, and cap fillers (Doug, Jordan) for Kuzma and Valanciunas.

Bring Kuzma and Jonas off the bench and start Keon while developing Carter to take over. This would improve our size and bench depth as well Monk, Kuzma, and Jonas is a lot of firepower off the bench sprinkled in with Carter

We’ve been linked to both guys a lot as well

I don't hate this at all and completely agree the size can become an issue. BUT. Only questions are is there enough shots to go around for Kuzma? Would there be enough minutes for JV?

Kuzma and monk would basically take all the bench shots I don’t think it would be a major problem when we’re winning. I think JV would get 15-20 mpg he averaged 23 last two seasons in NO

LightTheBeam · Post #191 » by **LightTheBeam** » Thu Nov 7, 2024 5:31 pm

For boogie who keeps mentioning Huerters drtg with the starters and saying Keon isn't a rotation player.

Read on Twitter

?s=19

These 3 together are lock down.

Post #192 » by **KF10** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:27 pm

Lyles has not looked good at all

Jkam31 · Post #193 » by **Jkam31** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:06 am

Whose responsible for this clown defense teams get open corner threes 90% of the time we’re definitely a play in team not a play off team struggling with Pheonix down KD/Nurk flat out embarrassing

BoogieTime · Post #194 » by **BoogieTime** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:07 am

We're going round and round, but the bench of this team I truly awful, and the dam is Fox/Keegan aren't good enough for this iteration of the team

Fox is an erratic, top 15, nowhere near max player finding a way not to consistently contribute to winning for another season. I don't even know if I want him on the team past next year, I'm already looking to Devin Carter to save us though he isnt a true PG. You might keep Fox at this point if he agrees to a much lower end deal for his potential spark play though

There is nothing to celebrate for me with Keegan with his bad offense.... It takes all defense/rebounding back on the scale gram for gram til we are left with non significant contribution

LightTheBeam · Post #195 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:44 am

Do you ever get tired of the constant dooming? Like ffs man. You hate the team so much I don't get why you watch and constantly give off negative vibes. It blows my mind.

Anyways... great team win tonight. Fox and derozan went out there in 4th and OT and sealed the deal! Was so awesome to watch that mid range takeover.

Keegan with the massive 14 and 14. Hopefully monks injury isn't too bad. But either way great win let's get it tomorrow in SA!

BoogieTime · Post #196 » by **BoogieTime** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:22 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:Do you ever get tired of the constant dooming? Like ffs man. You hate the team so much I don't get why you watch and constantly give off negative vibes. It blows my mind.

Anyways... great team win tonight. Fox and derozan went out there in 4th and OT and sealed the deal! Was so awesome to watch that mid range takeover.

Keegan with the massive 14 and 14. Hopefully monks injury isn't too bad. But either way great win let's get it tomorrow in SA!

Loving the team and not liking what ails it are two sides of the same coin, bro. lol.

Loving players on the team like Domas/Deebo and wanting them to get adequate help is too.

Not liking what is the difference between a borderline playoff/playin team and a great team is too.

So what ails it?

Its not Domas who is the team's rock as always and playing great big ball. Its not Deebo who is a wonder at his age. And here is a hint, its not the top ten coach, who is widely seen as that and paid as that who is getting what he can from this team. I know you complained about Joerger who was a good coach, and would complain about the next coach no matter if he was objectively seen as a top coach or not.

So what is it? The bench is awful... yes

But Fox/Keegan were playing to any level we would have liked to seen in a good scenario, one as a steady/good pg and the other as an ascending borderline type talent, we wouldnt be having the nightly conversations.

When I made that comment, Keegan was his usual 3-8 with nonsensical outside shooting, and Fox was his 5-15 nonsensical outside shooting, and that was just a snapshot on the season while we lost the lead, which exacerbated me.

LightTheBeam · Post #197 » by **LightTheBeam** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:32 pm

BoogieTime wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:Do you ever get tired of the constant dooming? Like ffs man. You hate the team so much I don't get why you watch and constantly give off negative vibes. It blows my mind.

Anyways... great team win tonight. Fox and derozan went out there in 4th and OT and sealed the deal! Was so awesome to watch that mid range takeover.

Keegan with the massive 14 and 14. Hopefully monks injury isn't too bad. But either way great win let's get it tomorrow in SA!

Loving the team and not liking what ails it are two sides of the same coin, bro. lol.

Loving players on the team like Domas/Deebo and wanting them to get adequate help is too.

Not liking what is the difference between a borderline playoff/playin team and a great team is too.

So what ails it?

Its not Domas who is the team's rock as always and playing great big ball. Its not Deebo who is a wonder at his age. And here is a hint, its not the top ten coach, who is widely seen as that and paid as that who is getting what he can from this team. I know you complained about Joerger who was a good coach, and would complain about the next coach no matter if he was objectively seen as a top coach or not.

So what is it? The bench is awful... yes

But Fox/Keegan were playing to any level we would have liked to seen in a good scenario, one as a steady/good pg and the other as an ascending borderline type talent, we wouldnt be having the nightly conversations.

When I made that comment, Keegan was his usual 3-8 with nonsensical outside shooting, and Fox was his 5-15 nonsensical outside shooting, and that was just a snapshot on the season while we lost the lead, which exacerbated me.

You get to watch a top 10pg (probably top 5) night in and night out. He just closed the game for us last night with an unbelievable 4th and OT. Again not a single positive word, just negativity and then crickets.

And saying you are already waiting for Carter to save us, lol. Reminds me of you telling us davion was the future time to sell off Fox.

Spread positivity man! Great team win! Everyone contributed. Hell even huerter played his role!

LightTheBeam · Post #198 » by **LightTheBeam** » Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:35 pm

One of the issues I had with this off-season was our unwillingness to use the MLE. I understand avoiding the 1st apron but you went all in trading a future pick for Demar and resigning Monk, and now our lack of depth is showing. It especially hurts we drafted an injured rookie in the lotto.

Still optimistic about this season. No way we continue to shoot this poor.

Letting Jordi walk and resigning Brown had to be done per the optics but man.. Brown really needs to adjust this strategy of sagging off shooters. We have enough data of other teams shooting 40-50% from 3 against us. That needs to change asap.

BoogieTime · Post #199 » by **BoogieTime** » Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:20 pm

Keegan Murray's dad took to defending him on social media..

Read on Twitter

Just to go over my lack of happiness with his progression as a ball player, I acknowledge that he's putting in workrate on defense which is taking a lot out of him, but..

1. The good players of that archetype - Trey Murphy, OG, Jaden McDaniels, what have you, still find a way to be productive on offense.

Read on Twitter

Is actually disgusting. He hasn't improved any floor game, and his offense consists mostly of bricking wide open threes. Thats totally negative offense.

2. That archetype of player is still a role player. Its not really what your shooting for with the 4th pick. Some people like wings and defense and they can easily ignore what impactful offense does for a team. You can get a hard working, athletic g league player to bust his ass and give you 75% what these 3/D wings give you IMO

Post #200 » by **KF10** » Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:44 pm

BoogieTime wrote:Keegan Murray's dad took to defending him on social media..

Read on Twitter

Just to go over my lack of happiness with his progression as a ball player, I acknowledge that he's putting in workrate on defense which is taking a lot out of him, but..

1. The good players of that archetype - Trey Murphy, OG, Jaden McDaniels, what have you, still find a way to be productive on offense.

Read on Twitter

Is actually disgusting. He hasn't improved any floor game, and his offense consists mostly of bricking wide open threes. Thats totally negative offense.

2. That archetype of player is still a role player. Its not really what your shooting for with the 4th pick. Some people like wings and defense and they can easily ignore what impactful offense does for a team. You can get a hard working, athletic g league player to bust his ass and give you 75% what these 3/D wings give you IMO

I tend to think it is a conditioning issue with Keegan. I thought he would have improved on this aspect this past off season but it seems like this is not the case.