NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

Crimson King · Post #1801 » by **Crimson King** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:58 am

I would say a solid 70%.

I think it's even possible if the Lakers pass on Ball that both Ball and Fox would be available at 5.

PHI - Fultz
LAL - Jackson
BOS - Tatum
PHO - Isaac

sacking123 · Post #1802 » by **sacking123** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:10 am

City of Trees wrote:No what I'm saying is Ainge could offer #3 for 5/10/+ and Vlade will agree. Kings pay ransom for Fox, Boston drafts DSJ at 5. Ainge gets his PG and a **** ton of value in the process.

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I think as it stands right now we are in an even better situation than we were before. It is IMO a little clearer what teams are going to do.
The only thing that I don't like is that Ainge usually doesn't show his hand early. Don't like that part and something tells me he just doesn't like the top 1-2 tiers of the draft and will take Tatum/Isaac so there is a chance he comes calling for the 5/10. If I'm Vlade hold firm because IMO Ainges end game is in fact to end up with Butler AND George.

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StepBackCrack · Post #1803 » by **StepBackCrack** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:21 am

benchmobbin02 wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:Chances of Fox dropping to 5 now? 60%? 70%? 80%? 90%? 99%?

How would any of us know that haha?

Better asking the Phx forum but they'd be guessing too.

Just say your gut feeling. 8-)

I think 80%. 8-)

StepBackCrack · Post #1804 » by **StepBackCrack** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:50 am

Was considering changing my username to "Buddy Buckets" or "Buddy Love" when I get the chance to do that. I was planing that for a while since Buddy is a huge fav of mine and I'm so excited for his NBA career. However if Kings get Fox, I will change it to "Buddy_Fox". Sounds a pretty cool username to me.

sacking123 · Post #1805 » by **sacking123** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:01 am

KD_Steph wrote:Was considering changing my username to "Buddy Buckets" or "Buddy Love" when I get the chance to do that. I was planing that for a while since Buddy is a huge fav of mine and I'm so excited for his NBA career. However if Kings get Fox, I will change it to "Buddy_Fox". Sounds a pretty cool username to me.

Funny that you say that about Buddy Love. I barrack for a team here in Oz (AFL football) and my team is Sydney and our best player, and one of the best in the game is named Buddy Franklin (seriously look him up he is a freak).
And my best mate, and a lot of people mind you, call him Buddy Love.
Just a weird coincidence, sorry about the derail.

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Sacramento_King · Post #1806 » by **Sacramento_King** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:04 am

simonbampfield wrote:
KD_Steph wrote:Was considering changing my username to "Buddy Buckets" or "Buddy Love" when I get the chance to do that. I was planing that for a while since Buddy is a huge fav of mine and I'm so excited for his NBA career. However if Kings get Fox, I will change it to "Buddy_Fox". Sounds a pretty cool username to me.

Funny that you say that about Buddy Love. I barrack for a team here in Oz (AFL football) and my team is Sydney and our best player, and one of the best in the game is named Buddy Franklin (seriously look him up he is a freak).
And my best mate, and a lot of people mind you, call him Buddy Love.
Just a weird coincidence, sorry about the derail.

To continue the derail, Buddy Love was the skinny Eddie Murphy in Nutty Professor right. Sorry, first thing I thought of.

Sacramento_King · Post #1807 » by **Sacramento_King** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:14 am

rpa wrote:Anyone else a little bit worried that the Kings haven't worked out (or even talked to as far as I can tell) DSJ? Not considering him really eliminates any backup plan for Fox getting taken at 2, 3, or 4.

I saw a tweet where we requested a workout from DSJ but nothing was set. I think Tatum has only worked out for Phoenix and he has twice so kinda strange there.

I know I like Fox more then DSJ but hopefully we can get both Tatum and DSJ in so we can make an informed decision based on our coaches working with him.

Sacramento_King · Post #1808 » by **Sacramento_King** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:26 am

dozencousins wrote:One of the trade proposals talked about was Afflao ( would be waived by the blazers ) & Koufos in a deal for Harkless , Ezeli & the 20th . Their are different possibilities that could happen but we are talking options with the Blazers .

Kings take on cap & get compensated & Blazers dump cap & give a pick for kings taking on the extra $$$$ . Should such a deal actually happen .

Aminu & Crabbe has been players talked about in different trade possibilities as well .

I would do the Harkless deal now if it was offered. Moe fits our needs, is young and is decent salary wise. Ezeli is an expiring and adds to our group so we wouldnt need to rely on Papa as much and an extra pick where we can take a high upside player. I would think Evan or Crabbe would be the guys they are trying to move.

Bulls are trying hard to trade up

With what, doubt any future picks are on table as they may dump Butler for prospects. I dont see what they can offer anybody. RoLo, I guess but we dont need that

SacKingZZZ · Post #1809 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:36 am

The Suns are the danger of taking Fox. I still don't know why they would but you never know what that team will do when it comes to PG's.

If the Kings did move up for 3 I'd think it would be for Jackson or Ball or maybe even Tatum. It sounds like Tatum is either a smokescreen or a real possibility at 3. I haven't really been following his workout schedule but I think his people feel he's going in the top 4.

VeeJay24 · Post #1810 » by **VeeJay24** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:39 pm

I know many like Fox; but when you have big guys as skilled as Tatum, Jackson or Isaac or bigger PG who already knows how to shoot, I rate them higher. The Kings should be hoping that the Lakers or Suns take Fox instead of Tatum or Jackson. Ainge is no dummy; he prefers Jackson or Tatum, only problem is he would have a glut of SF or wings: Crowder, Brown, and Hayward(FA signee). I say this to Vlade because if you do trade w/Ainge and go up to 3 to get Fox or Ball if he is there get one of those wings either Crowder or Brown ( I love both guys so either would work) or else stay put and take Isaac then Ntilikina at 10. Just to add Isaac when all is said and could end up being the best player in this draft.

Sactowndog · Post #1811 » by **Sactowndog** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:20 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:The Suns are the danger of taking Fox. I still don't know why they would but you never know what that team will do when it comes to PG's.

If the Kings did move up for 3 I'd think it would be for Jackson or Ball or maybe even Tatum. It sounds like Tatum is either a smokescreen or a real possibility at 3. I haven't really been following his workout schedule but I think his people feel he's going in the top 4.

The Suns like Tatum but he may not fall to 4. Chances of Celtics taking him at 4. Heard Suns trying to trade Bledsoe so they could take Fox at 4.

But that would mean we would have Jackson at 5 for our small forward spot. Either way we get a very good prospect at 5.

Crimson King · Post #1812 » by **Crimson King** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:22 pm

What I have no hope anymore is that Isaac is available at 10 (it sounds like a joke now, I know).

The gap from #8 is huge IMO, I would love a trade up with Orlando if they want Collins or with the Wolves if they want Markannen... We have #34, Koufos, Malachi, Bogdanovic rights, and Gudaitis rights (it seems he has some value) to add to #10. If this way it was possible to get a PG AND a SF in this draft, I would definitely send almost any combination of this assets.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #1813 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:27 pm

Jonathan Isaac will be draft by the Suns

Sactowndog · Post #1814 » by **Sactowndog** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:31 pm

simonbampfield wrote:
City of Trees wrote:No what I'm saying is Ainge could offer #3 for 5/10/+ and Vlade will agree. Kings pay ransom for Fox, Boston drafts DSJ at 5. Ainge gets his PG and a **** ton of value in the process.

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I think as it stands right now we are in an even better situation than we were before. It is IMO a little clearer what teams are going to do.
The only thing that I don't like is that Ainge usually doesn't show his hand early. Don't like that part and something tells me he just doesn't like the top 1-2 tiers of the draft and will take Tatum/Isaac so there is a chance he comes calling for the 5/10. If I'm Vlade hold firm because IMO Ainges end game is in fact to end up with Butler AND George.

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I agree. The Celtics are not taking Fox. The last thing the need is another 6' 3" guard working on shooting.

That insures Jackson, Tatum or Isaac goes 3. Isaac is a pure 4 that Boston could plug right in to a front court of Horford and Brown. A front court of Four of Isaac, Brown, Haywood and Horford would be pretty amazing. And next year with either Brooklyn or the Lakers number 1 they draft Horfords replacement.

dckingsfan · Post #1815 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:37 pm

Well, looks like the Celts/Sixers trade is a done deal. So, Fultz to the Sixers. Celts take a SF or just as likely trade to the Bulls or to the Pacers.

Fascinating.

CaptainMorgan78 · Post #1816 » by **CaptainMorgan78** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:50 pm

Just watched the highlights of DSJ against Duke on their home court, kid is going to be an absolute star, he completely dominated them. Would way rather see the Kings draft him over Fox.

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VeeJay24 · Post #1817 » by **VeeJay24** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:09 pm

Sactowndog wrote:
simonbampfield wrote:
City of Trees wrote:No what I'm saying is Ainge could offer #3 for 5/10/+ and Vlade will agree. Kings pay ransom for Fox, Boston drafts DSJ at 5. Ainge gets his PG and a **** ton of value in the process.

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I think as it stands right now we are in an even better situation than we were before. It is IMO a little clearer what teams are going to do.
The only thing that I don't like is that Ainge usually doesn't show his hand early. Don't like that part and something tells me he just doesn't like the top 1-2 tiers of the draft and will take Tatum/Isaac so there is a chance he comes calling for the 5/10. If I'm Vlade hold firm because IMO Ainges end game is in fact to end up with Butler AND George.

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I agree. The Celtics are not taking Fox. The last thing the need is another 6' 3" guard working on shooting.

That insures Jackson, Tatum or Isaac goes 3. Isaac is a pure 4 that Boston could plug right in to a front court of Horford and Brown. A front court of Four of Isaac, Brown, Haywood and Horford would be pretty amazing. And next year with either Brooklyn or the Lakers number 1 they draft Horfords replacement.

Isaac is not a pure 4; stretch 4 maybe but not a pure 4. I would love to have Jackson, Tatum, or Isaac at 5 and Ntilikina at 10

Sactowndog · Post #1818 » by **Sactowndog** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:35 pm

VeeJay24 wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
simonbampfield wrote:I think as it stands right now we are in an even better situation than we were before. It is IMO a little clearer what teams are going to do.
The only thing that I don't like is that Ainge usually doesn't show his hand early. Don't like that part and something tells me he just doesn't like the top 1-2 tiers of the draft and will take Tatum/Isaac so there is a chance he comes calling for the 5/10. If I'm Vlade hold firm because IMO Ainges end game is in fact to end up with Butler AND George.

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I agree. The Celtics are not taking Fox. The last thing the need is another 6' 3" guard working on shooting.

That insures Jackson, Tatum or Isaac goes 3. Isaac is a pure 4 that Boston could plug right in to a front court of Horford and Brown. A front court of Four of Isaac, Brown, Haywood and Horford would be pretty amazing. And next year with either Brooklyn or the Lakers number 1 they draft Horfords replacement.

Isaac is not a pure 4; stretch 4 maybe but not a pure 4. I would love to have Jackson, Tatum, or Isaac at 5 and Ntilikina at 10

I think for the Celtics he swings to 4 as an long athletic wing. With he and Brown the Celtics become very athletic up front. If they need a more powerful 4 they bring Zizac off the bench as a 4-5. Good Lord, why trade if you are them.

You have a front court of Horford, Brown, Crowder, Zizac and Isaac. And a backcourt if you play Hayward at 2 of Hayward, Bradley, IT, Smart and Rosier.

Plus you have 9 first round picks in the next 3 drafts. To retool your older guys like Horford and Bradley/IT. Imagine replacing them with Doncic and Bamba next year.

dozencousins · Post #1819 » by **dozencousins** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:50 pm

Arturas Gudaitis whom the Kings hold the rights to has a lot of teams calling the Kings about him . This is another Kings player as well as Koufas that may get traded soon enough .

dozencousins · Post #1820 » by **dozencousins** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:57 pm

I feel it is possible that both Ball & Fox may be available at 5 . If so I really hope we take Fox still . Some here will disagree but I feel Fox is the better overall player of the 2 plus we would not have to worry about a father issue .
Kings had enough drama surrounding Cousins etc. for years and we just do not need anymore real headaches for quit awhile .