Tyreke On Trade Block

[Bobo the King]

I like Odom, but not right now. Evans for Odom would be a total waste. One of the problems Odom is facing is the depth of talent in the Dallas roster, which has forced him all the way down to the D-League (I won't pretend to understand why he's doing so much worse than he was in LA). On the Kings, he'd be a consistent starter and receive plenty of encouragement, which might be a more positive environment for him at this low point in his career.

I think there's a lot of potential for a nice trade to snag him. I'd be comfortable parting with any two of Hickson, Hayes, and Whiteside or a straight up trade of Jason Thompson (I like that Thompson is a pure role-player, but I think Odom would be an upgrade). I'd also be open to trading other bench warmers like Garcia or Greene. I honestly think there's a lot of fertile ground for a trade there.

But none of that ground involves Evans.

[deNIEd]

Can anyone think of a deal revolving around Tyreke and Batum?

*Let's assume its in the summer and we drafted Jeremy Lamb*

[FieldKing]

I say hold on to the guy, he still has some room to improve. I dont ever think his jumper will come soon but i dont mind him not getting it as long as he adopts another role like just a defensive minded player who can play off the ball. It kinda seems like he wont do that based on his mentality but i thinks its the best chance to see some production anytime soon out of him. Also, if he does that, later in his career he could develop that jumper like scottie pippen did, i think. Wasnt really old enough to remember anything from the pippen/ jordan era to know how they played, just going off what i read and heard.
Note that im not comparing him to pippen though, i just hope he could be a pippen type of player but i do believe pippen's mentality was fairly different from tyreke's.

[youngthegiant]

would you guys be interested in a deal around wilson chandler(re-signed) for tyreke. of course denver would add more value as well. tyreke would be a good fit in denver since we have a fast pace style that i think would suit him.

[nugzin2040]

Tyreke has a lot of potential still. Would be surprised if the Kings dealt him

[rpa]

would you guys be interested in a deal around wilson chandler(re-signed) for tyreke. of course denver would add more value as well. tyreke would be a good fit in denver since we have a fast pace style that i think would suit him.

The amount of money it would take to get Chandler to come here is pretty close to the amount of money it would take to get Denver to NOT match the offer sheet. Thus the difference comes down to "Evans for a couple million a year" ... so no

I say hold on to the guy, he still has some room to improve. I dont ever think his jumper will come soon but i dont mind him not getting it as long as he adopts another role like just a defensive minded player who can play off the ball. It kinda seems like he wont do that based on his mentality but i thinks its the best chance to see some production anytime soon out of him. Also, if he does that, later in his career he could develop that jumper like scottie pippen did, i think. Wasnt really old enough to remember anything from the pippen/ jordan era to know how they played, just going off what i read and heard.
Note that im not comparing him to pippen though, i just hope he could be a pippen type of player but i do believe pippen's mentality was fairly different from tyreke's.

2 things:
1) Even if we're talking about a "Pippen-like" player I think that's too much. Evans just doesn't have the skillset to be that kind of guy.
2) Without a jumper Evans is going to have little place on a winning team. Like I ranted on before: you can't win in this league when your key wing player can't hit a shot to save his life.
3) If Evans were to ever adapt to a "defensive minded player who plays off the ball" I think we'll REALLY regret not trading him. The value for that kind of player (that, mind you, is a piss poor shooter) isn't all that high.

[rpa]

Can anyone think of a deal revolving around Tyreke and Batum?

*Let's assume its in the summer and we drafted Jeremy Lamb*

Not sure if I'd agree with those moves. Getting Batum would mean we're paying him, say, $8-10mil a year (minimum). That means that we'd have Thornton at $8mil, Batum at $8-10, and a rookie wing we just took with a top 10 pick. Seems like a waste to me (and this is all assuming we can amnesty Salmons).

That said, I'd love to grab Batum. If the trade was made right now, with Batum unextended, I'd ask the Blazers to include Wes Matthews as well (so Matthews/Batum for Evans). Maybe add some pieces to make it work (Hickson). Use our pick on whatever big drops to us and go after a PG in free agency. Run a starting lineup of

____ / Thomas / Jimmer
Matthews / Thornton
Batum / Greene
<drafted player> / Thompson
Cousins / Hayes

The PG could be someone like Felton (assuming he slims down) at a bargain price.

[ADoaN17]

It's probably best for the team but it would just be sad to see him go. Still my favorite King.

[deNIEd]

Can anyone think of a deal revolving around Tyreke and Batum?

*Let's assume its in the summer and we drafted Jeremy Lamb*

Not sure if I'd agree with those moves. Getting Batum would mean we're paying him, say, $8-10mil a year (minimum). That means that we'd have Thornton at $8mil, Batum at $8-10, and a rookie wing we just took with a top 10 pick. Seems like a waste to me (and this is all assuming we can amnesty Salmons).

That said, I'd love to grab Batum. If the trade was made right now, with Batum unextended, I'd ask the Blazers to include Wes Matthews as well (so Matthews/Batum for Evans). Maybe add some pieces to make it work (Hickson). Use our pick on whatever big drops to us and go after a PG in free agency. Run a starting lineup of

____ / Thomas / Jimmer
Matthews / Thornton
Batum / Greene
<drafted player> / Thompson
Cousins / Hayes

The PG could be someone like Felton (assuming he slims down) at a bargain price.

Well the reason, part of my reasoning is this...

In many mock drafts (attempting to predict from now is kind of silly, but who cares), we end up with Lamb. IF Lamb is BPA...would you draft him or pass on him because we already have Tyreke/Thornton/Jimmer. Personally, I don't believe Tyreke/Thornton/Jimmer have shown enough to warrant us passing up a BPA.

If so, I would look to move Tyreke in the summer for a SF or PF/C (DMC's frontcourt partner).

[rpa]

Well the reason, part of my reasoning is this...

In many mock drafts (attempting to predict from now is kind of silly, but who cares), we end up with Lamb. IF Lamb is BPA...would you draft him or pass on him because we already have Tyreke/Thornton/Jimmer. Personally, I don't believe Tyreke/Thornton/Jimmer have shown enough to warrant us passing up a BPA.

If so, I would look to move Tyreke in the summer for a SF or PF/C (DMC's frontcourt partner).

Unless the Kings move into the top 3 I'm not convinced there'll be a clear BPA where they pick.

I do like Lamb, though, but I just think that we'd be investing way too much in a handful of wings if you go after Batum as well. Granted, the rotation would look fantastic (Lamb/Batum starting with Thornton coming in for instant offense), but I'd worry about the lack of a PG (not sold on Thomas being more than a reserve/fill-in starter) and big next to Cousins.

[deNIEd]

Unless the Kings move into the top 3 I'm not convinced there'll be a clear BPA where they pick.

I do like Lamb, though, but I just think that we'd be investing way too much in a handful of wings if you go after Batum as well. Granted, the rotation would look fantastic (Lamb/Batum starting with Thornton coming in for instant offense), but I'd worry about the lack of a PG (not sold on Thomas being more than a reserve/fill-in starter) and big next to Cousins.

Completely reasonable.

I do agree that determining the BPA at our likely draft spot will be a bit hazy. The only difference between my draft opinions of this year vs 2011, is I would no longer not draft a SG/slasher because we have Tyreke. (Such as, I would not draft a big that does not complement DMC as I believe our franchise will live and die with DMC's progression).

I do think that Thomas could become a starting PG in this league, as his constant improvement, confidence, and ability to run a team seems to be starter worthy (a potential Ty Lawson type PG I think).

Both Lamb and Beal appear to be shooters opposed to slashers, which is something this roster needs out of a guard.


While I don't think Tyreke is a "must-trade" type player, I do think we should start actively looking for a good deal for him (I fear a Larry Hughes type progression in Tyreke).

I also believe Tyreke is likely the best piece we have to move. If we need to make some roster changes to improve our roster, losing Tyreke would be the least detrimental/have the most value. (Other players we have don't have nearly the same value as Tyreke, and losing DMC would be GG for this team).

[mobiuseinz]

I would trade Jimmer and Reke for Hill and George on the Pacers.

[deNIEd]

Ultimate fantasy.

Isaiah develops into a Ty Lawson player.
Jeremy Lamb/Bradley Beal is indeed a Ray Allen/Reggie Miller type shooting guard.
Trade Tyreke for Iggy.
Boogie continues to be a baller.

Thomas/Lamb/Iggy/____/Cousins.

Balanced, team oriented roster with little holes.

[ADoaN17]

I would trade Jimmer and Reke for Hill and George on the Pacers.

George is untouchable. Pacer fans would laugh at this deal.

[SacSanity]

For anyone to consider trading Tyreke without it being an absolute steal for us is insane. I love how every time we win and REKE goes off not a single person complains. But as soon as we lose 2 in a row to the clippers and lakers all of a sudden its time to go, he's not a good player... such a joke. I wouldnt base anything off that laker game he play under 28 minutes.... and when he was in the game he did well. I am not about to trade a PG who can play 1 2 or 3 in a lineup for washed up players or players who are coming up that have less potential. Dont worry though next time we win and tyreke drops a near triple double all the haters will love him again.....

[rpa]

I do think that Thomas could become a starting PG in this league, as his constant improvement, confidence, and ability to run a team seems to be starter worthy (a potential Ty Lawson type PG I think).

He could be. But as I've said a number of times (mostly on the general board, but possibly on this board as well): Thomas' percentages are, for lack of a better word, a fluke. I'm not saying he's a crappy player or anything but, my God, his percentages right now are still in the 50/40/90 range (51/43/96 to be exact). Given that his usage is up, those are historic level numbers. Quite frankly, I have a hard time believing that Thomas is an alltime great (something that those numbers--if kept up long term--would signify). And if his percentages are up (likely due to a handful of factors) it's not unreasonable to say that his contribution across the board is temporarily inflated.

Put his percentages at "reasonable" levels (say, 45/37/85) and he's averaging around 15/6/4. Problem is, as CP3 showed us a few nights ago: as the days go by teams are going to realize they can go inside on Thomas and take advantage of his height.

To make an analogy: Thomas is similar to Bobby Jackson. He's an energy guy who can put up some damn fine numbers over a short period as a fill in starter (like Bobby did when Bibby broke his thumb), but he's not a starter.

Both Lamb and Beal appear to be shooters opposed to slashers, which is something this roster needs out of a guard.

A shooter is definitely the starting point for what this team needs. But you could classify Thornton as a shooter (though streaky I'll admit). What this team really needs is a player who CAN shoot but, more importantly, can play off the ball. Solid defense would be nice too (which is why I'd love to get Lamb).

While I don't think Tyreke is a "must-trade" type player, I do think we should start actively looking for a good deal for him (I fear a Larry Hughes type progression in Tyreke).

I wouldn't say Larry Hughes, but I definitely agree this team should actively look to trade him. If he's the same player next year as he has been the last 3 seasons (and given his lack of progression there's absolutely no reason to think he isn't) then his value is going to plummet.

Problem is, it's hard to imagine what we could get for Evans that's useful. A couple points on that:
- I'm not convinced I'd want a 2nd lottery pick in this draft (assuming it were on the table). There's definitely some very attractive talent that COULD be in the middle (or top) of the lottery this year (Davis, Drummond, Lamb, MKG, etc.) but more and more guys are saying they want to come back. I'd rather not take the chance that this draft turns from "OMG LOADED DRAFT!" (from last summer) to "bleh" and be left holding a 2nd pick
- I highly doubt we'll get a valuable big back for Evans (which is what we'd both love to see). Teams won't trade big for small too often and the bigs we could get are going to be broken in some sense (e.g. Blatche)
- Not many top notch PGs out there on the market other than Rondo (who brings many of the same problems to the table that Evans does and, worse yet, Rondo apparently isn't easy to handle in the locker room).

Given that, not sure what we could go after. The one thought I've had since the long-ish post on the trade board (and interest from a Blazers fan) was I wonder if the Kings could do something along the lines of:

Evans/Hickson/filler for Matthews/Batum/Felton

From a player perspective the value is definitely slanted towards the Kings. However, Felton showed up in Oliver Milleresque condition and has been horrible and Batum is an RFA (plus they have Wallace as well). Resign Batum and Felton (and hope to God he shows up in shape) and suddenly we have a solid starting backcourt, Cousins in the middle, and a top 10 lottery pick to grab the best big we can.

[rpa]

For anyone to consider trading Tyreke without it being an absolute steal for us is insane. I love how every time we win and REKE goes off not a single person complains. But as soon as we lose 2 in a row to the clippers and lakers all of a sudden its time to go, he's not a good player... such a joke. I wouldnt base anything off that laker game he play under 28 minutes.... and when he was in the game he did well. I am not about to trade a PG who can play 1 2 or 3 in a lineup for washed up players or players who are coming up that have less potential. Dont worry though next time we win and tyreke drops a near triple double all the haters will love him again.....

This isn't about the Lakers game; this is about the entire season as a whole. Hell, we can go further than that. It's even about Evans having 2 full seasons (along with 2 full summers) under his belt and actually becoming a WORSE jump shooter.

This is about a guy with the talent that he has and, yet, has done nothing but regress in 3 seasons. He wears his weakness like a scarlet A and, yet, hasn't improved upon it AT ALL.

Will he still have the occasional (well, more than occasional I guess) good game? Sure, because he's ELITE when it comes to getting shots at the rim. The problem is, and what many of us see, is that the Kings are never going to win with the current Tyreke Evans. And we'd rather trade him now, while his value is still going to be relatively high, as opposed to 3 years from now when he's in his mid 20s, still can't shoot to save his life, and is getting paid $10mil a year.

Think of Evans like the pretty, but dumb girl in high school. You could get with her and stay with her for a while. She's damn fine and you always think "wow, if she gets a job and goes to college she'd be perfect. Then we can get married, have kids, etc." But she doesn't goto college. She doesn't get a job. But you stay with her. And 10 years later she's not as pretty as she used to be and has nothing going for her anymore. Now you wish you'd traded her in for the slightly less attractive girl that actually had ambition.

[408Kings]

Think of Evans like the pretty, but dumb girl in high school. You could get with her and stay with her for a while. She's damn fine and you always think "wow, if she gets a job and goes to college she'd be perfect. Then we can get married, have kids, etc." But she doesn't goto college. She doesn't get a job. But you stay with her. And 10 years later she's not as pretty as she used to be and has nothing going for her anymore. Now you wish you'd traded her in for the slightly less attractive girl that actually had ambition.

+10! LOL, love the analogy.

[deadenddude]

I would trade Jimmer and Reke for Hill and George on the Pacers.

George is untouchable. Pacer fans would laugh at this deal.

What's so special about George Hill?

[deadenddude]

I would trade Jimmer and Reke for Hill and George on the Pacers.

Why?