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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#21 » by bleeds_purple » Tue Dec 8, 2015 6:20 am

Illmatic12 wrote:Wiz would do Beal + Gortat + 1st


What about Beal; Gortat; Porter; and the 1st for Cousins and McLemore?
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#22 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Dec 8, 2015 6:21 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:IF the Kings were to deal Cousins there is only one deal out there and we know what it is. The Nets pick, expirings, and hopefully Smart if you could snag him from Boston. I can see a combo deal of sending he and Rondo in a package to Boston and whammo the C's are instant contenders and the Kings are in instant suckville, but a better suckville than where they are if they stayed where they are at currently.

Lee, Smart, and Amir Johnson, 1st for Cuz and Rondo.


Suckville swapping pick with Philly the next two years and giving up that unprotected in 2019. Which is why I don't think they would go that route

Smart to me is even a questionably good player. There is no telling what that Brooklyn pick would be

It takes time. Rondo/Gay/WCS/Cousins/Curry/Casspi/Koufos are too talented to stay down. You make changes, not tear down IMO



The Kings get two lotto picks (probably 4-8 range) regardless to start off the rebuild with. Is it ideal? Heck no, but as far as rebuilds go it's a nice start considering the chances Vlade took this summer to put this team together. Maybe then also put an emphasis on Ben for the rest of the year and see if he can blow up with an increased role offensively.

I certainly don't want to see them trade Cousins at all, but if the idea is that it isn't salvageable you have to look at the possibilities and Vlade is probably thinking about it like any good GM would.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#23 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Dec 8, 2015 6:23 am

bleeds_purple wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:Wiz would do Beal + Gortat + 1st


What about Beal; Gortat; Porter; and the 1st for Cousins and McLemore?



What would the point be in doing a deal like this? If the Kings move Cousins they have to try and find a talent you can build a team around, nothing there is close to that. It's a solid package if the Kings had another superstar in their back pocket though.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#24 » by Illmatic12 » Tue Dec 8, 2015 6:33 am

bleeds_purple wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:Wiz would do Beal + Gortat + 1st


What about Beal; Gortat; Porter; and the 1st for Cousins and McLemore?

Make it Oubre instead of Porter and that deal works. Almost all Wiz fans would pull the trigger on that.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#25 » by bleeds_purple » Tue Dec 8, 2015 7:08 am

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bleeds_purple wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:Wiz would do Beal + Gortat + 1st


What about Beal; Gortat; Porter; and the 1st for Cousins and McLemore?



What would the point be in doing a deal like this? If the Kings move Cousins they have to try and find a talent you can build a team around, nothing there is close to that. It's a solid package if the Kings had another superstar in their back pocket though.


It's not something that I would want to do but supposing that we were forced to deal Cousins (and assuming we cannot return a superstar which is a certainty) I would want a serviceable center (check), wing players with upside (check), and draft picks (check). The next level up would be someone like Butler but we are not going to net that in a trade.

Another option is Rondo and Cousins for Mudiay, Gallo, and Nurkic. Ultimately, none of these are palatable.

One thing I'm sure of is Karl (more specifically his "system") and Cousins cannot coexist.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#26 » by bleeds_purple » Tue Dec 8, 2015 7:16 am

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Illmatic12 wrote:Wiz would do Beal + Gortat + 1st


What about Beal; Gortat; Porter; and the 1st for Cousins and McLemore?

Make it Oubre instead of Porter and that deal works. Almost all Wiz fans would pull the trigger on that.


I would demand Porter as well. Then your GM gets to decide if hanging on to Porter is worth losing out on Cousins. History tells us he will typically cave in this situation.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#27 » by Illmatic12 » Tue Dec 8, 2015 7:30 am

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Illmatic12 wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:
What about Beal; Gortat; Porter; and the 1st for Cousins and McLemore?

Make it Oubre instead of Porter and that deal works. Almost all Wiz fans would pull the trigger on that.


I would demand Porter as well. Then your GM gets to decide if hanging on to Porter is worth losing out on Cousins. History tells us he will typically cave in this situation.

Washington's FO has a history of bad drafting, they've been more than successful in trades (Ie Nene for Javale McGee, Gortat for the 18th pick, etc).


Sacramento isn't likely to get a better young asset than Beal in return for Cousins. Their other options would be to accept a trove of assorted draft picks from either Brooklyn or Philly, none of which would help your management 'win now' anytime soon (and history says that the Kings management is heavily invested in that at all costs).

Beal + Gortat + 2016 1st + 2018 1st is more than fair for a player who's constantly in trade rumors, and will likely be available once his FA period comes up. Of course, I don't think the Kings are seriously looking to deal Cousins atm. But if things changed in the near future, I have no doubt their FO would listen to that offer from the Wiz.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#28 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Dec 8, 2015 10:56 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
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Illmatic12 wrote:Make it Oubre instead of Porter and that deal works. Almost all Wiz fans would pull the trigger on that.


I would demand Porter as well. Then your GM gets to decide if hanging on to Porter is worth losing out on Cousins. History tells us he will typically cave in this situation.

Washington's FO has a history of bad drafting, they've been more than successful in trades (Ie Nene for Javale McGee, Gortat for the 18th pick, etc).


Sacramento isn't likely to get a better young asset than Beal in return for Cousins. Their other options would be to accept a trove of assorted draft picks from either Brooklyn or Philly, none of which would help your management 'win now' anytime soon (and history says that the Kings management is heavily invested in that at all costs).

Beal + Gortat + 2016 1st + 2018 1st is more than fair for a player who's constantly in trade rumors, and will likely be available once his FA period comes up. Of course, I don't think the Kings are seriously looking to deal Cousins atm. But if things changed in the near future, I have no doubt their FO would listen to that offer from the Wiz.


Might be fair especially for a disgruntled star if that's the case, but it's still the wrong direction.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#29 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Dec 8, 2015 10:58 pm

A bit off topic but I see Ryan Anderson might be available! I say keep Cousins and go after him. I was hoping he'd be the FA target for the Kings this summer, maybe they can bypass that and jump on it? I just don't know what the Kings could trade. Wonder if they could have any use for Koufos?
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#30 » by Kings2013 » Tue Dec 8, 2015 11:58 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:IF the Kings were to deal Cousins there is only one deal out there and we know what it is. The Nets pick, expirings, and hopefully Smart if you could snag him from Boston. I can see a combo deal of sending he and Rondo in a package to Boston and whammo the C's are instant contenders and the Kings are in instant suckville, but a better suckville than where they are if they stayed where they are at currently.

Lee, Smart, and Amir Johnson, 1st for Cuz and Rondo.


Suckville swapping pick with Philly the next two years and giving up that unprotected in 2019. Which is why I don't think they would go that route

Smart to me is even a questionably good player. There is no telling what that Brooklyn pick would be

It takes time. Rondo/Gay/WCS/Cousins/Curry/Casspi/Koufos are too talented to stay down. You make changes, not tear down IMO



The Kings get two lotto picks (probably 4-8 range) regardless to start off the rebuild with. Is it ideal? Heck no, but as far as rebuilds go it's a nice start considering the chances Vlade took this summer to put this team together. Maybe then also put an emphasis on Ben for the rest of the year and see if he can blow up with an increased role offensively.

I certainly don't want to see them trade Cousins at all, but if the idea is that it isn't salvageable you have to look at the possibilities and Vlade is probably thinking about it like any good GM would.


Firing the coach would come first though, no?
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#31 » by Prethia » Wed Dec 9, 2015 12:45 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:A bit off topic but I see Ryan Anderson might be available! I say keep Cousins and go after him. I was hoping he'd be the FA target for the Kings this summer, maybe they can bypass that and jump on it? I just don't know what the Kings could trade. Wonder if they could have any use for Koufos?


If we will keep Cousins I also want to see a player whose playing style is like Anderson,Ilyasova.It is the definite solution of our spacing problem.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#32 » by teerfour+40LG » Wed Dec 9, 2015 12:57 am

Go be a Warriors fan, homie. We live and die by DeMarcus "The Golden 1 Center" Cousins here in SAC.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#33 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Dec 9, 2015 1:18 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:
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Suckville swapping pick with Philly the next two years and giving up that unprotected in 2019. Which is why I don't think they would go that route

Smart to me is even a questionably good player. There is no telling what that Brooklyn pick would be

It takes time. Rondo/Gay/WCS/Cousins/Curry/Casspi/Koufos are too talented to stay down. You make changes, not tear down IMO



The Kings get two lotto picks (probably 4-8 range) regardless to start off the rebuild with. Is it ideal? Heck no, but as far as rebuilds go it's a nice start considering the chances Vlade took this summer to put this team together. Maybe then also put an emphasis on Ben for the rest of the year and see if he can blow up with an increased role offensively.

I certainly don't want to see them trade Cousins at all, but if the idea is that it isn't salvageable you have to look at the possibilities and Vlade is probably thinking about it like any good GM would.


Firing the coach would come first though, no?



I'm sure it's all kind of a one fell swoop kind of deal.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#34 » by Kings2013 » Wed Dec 9, 2015 10:31 pm

Cousins is a gamer, according to the Bee he is has a tendinitis issue http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article48759480.html . Karl thinks his ankle/back still aren't right. He hasn't been healthy the past few games
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#35 » by Jkam31 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:31 am

Hahahahahahaha
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#36 » by Prethia » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:53 am

teerfour+40LG wrote:Go be a Warriors fan, homie. We live and die by DeMarcus "The Golden 1 Center" Cousins here in SAC.


So you want to see a player be happy and your team lose instead of wanting to see your team as a winning team.Your choice mate.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#37 » by teerfour+40LG » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:16 pm

Prethia wrote:So you want to see a player be happy and your team lose instead of wanting to see your team as a winning team.Your choice mate.

:lol:

We should trade you ASAP.
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#38 » by Kings2013 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:58 pm

Prethia wrote:
teerfour+40LG wrote:Go be a Warriors fan, homie. We live and die by DeMarcus "The Golden 1 Center" Cousins here in SAC.


So you want to see a player be happy and your team lose instead of wanting to see your team as a winning team.Your choice mate.


Most Kings fans do not want to trade him to my knowledge. The title to the thread would seem abrasive to some Kings fans. Last I checked the Kings were 11-38 without him over the last few years and 1-7 this year
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#39 » by Prethia » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:58 am

Kings2013 wrote:
Prethia wrote:
teerfour+40LG wrote:Go be a Warriors fan, homie. We live and die by DeMarcus "The Golden 1 Center" Cousins here in SAC.


So you want to see a player be happy and your team lose instead of wanting to see your team as a winning team.Your choice mate.


Most Kings fans do not want to trade him to my knowledge. The title to the thread would seem abrasive to some Kings fans. Last I checked the Kings were 11-38 without him over the last few years and 1-7 this year


Because our other centers cant do anything?.And it is not like we dont get anything when we trade Cousins.I think this is the 12381238128th time I am writing the same thing.If someone tries to understand what I write in this thread they can totally see my point,they may agree or they may not.Btw I know you are not one of them,but it is kind of fun to see the kids who cannot even read a post go mad
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Re: We should trade Cousins ASAP 

Post#40 » by Kings2013 » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:07 am

Prethia wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:
Prethia wrote:
So you want to see a player be happy and your team lose instead of wanting to see your team as a winning team.Your choice mate.


Most Kings fans do not want to trade him to my knowledge. The title to the thread would seem abrasive to some Kings fans. Last I checked the Kings were 11-38 without him over the last few years and 1-7 this year


Because our other centers cant do anything?.And it is not like we dont get anything when we trade Cousins.I think this is the 12381238128th time I am writing the same thing.If someone tries to understand what I write in this thread they can totally see my point,they may agree or they may not.Btw I know you are not one of them,but it is kind of fun to see the kids who cannot even read a post go mad


No one's mad homie, your entitled to your opinion. I just thought the title, 'ASAP' was a little strong. I would ask that you keep in mind that DMC has been injured IMO recently, over the last stretch (tendinitis/ankle/back) and sometimes it takes time for the cohesion of the team and for everyone to get on the same page. But your entitled to your opinion

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