What do the Kings need from the Celtics to trade Cousins?

SacKingZZZ · Post #21 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:26 am

Yeah, and then the Kings can go back to the reality of not having a guy you can go to in a pinch. Yeesh, the vision of John Salmons just came into my head.

In all seriousness, if the Kings don't get their **** together in the next 10 games and Boston comes a calling with Brown and picks you have to consider it.

Post #22 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:12 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:In all seriousness, if the Kings don't get their **** together in the next 10 games and Boston comes a calling with Brown and picks you have to consider it.

I'm already there with a cold beer waiting for you.

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SacKingZZZ · Post #23 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:16 am

City of Trees wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:In all seriousness, if the Kings don't get their **** together in the next 10 games and Boston comes a calling with Brown and picks you have to consider it.
I'm already there with a cold beer waiting for you.

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I don't know, it's still hard to shake the been there, done that, had the beer, and bought the shirt already part of it. Oh well, guess it's time to go fishing for another talent hoping it falls in your lap.

Post #24 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:30 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:In all seriousness, if the Kings don't get their **** together in the next 10 games and Boston comes a calling with Brown and picks you have to consider it.
I'm already there with a cold beer waiting for you.

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I don't know, it's still hard to shake the been there, done that, had the beer, and bought the shirt already part of it. Oh well, guess it's time to go fishing for another talent hoping it falls in your lap.

Its crazy tho! The Kings have a freaking Super Star on their roster! If Cousins is traded there is a lesson to be learned here.

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c3j3h · Post #25 » by **c3j3h** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:11 am

Warriorfan wrote:Sac needs there picks back and young players like Smart Okafor back

Okafor is not the answer. He's not ever going to be even half as good as Cousins. He's the 4th-best big man on his own team...

c3j3h · Post #26 » by **c3j3h** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:12 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Yeah, and then the Kings can go back to the reality of not having a guy you can go to in a pinch. Yeesh, the vision of John Salmons just came into my head.

In all seriousness, if the Kings don't get their **** together in the next 10 games and Boston comes a calling with Brown and picks you have to consider it.

Man after all the **** you have given me over this subject, I gotta say it's pretty funny seeing you take this side already 3 weeks into the season...

SacKingZZZ · Post #27 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:25 am

c3j3h wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Yeah, and then the Kings can go back to the reality of not having a guy you can go to in a pinch. Yeesh, the vision of John Salmons just came into my head.

In all seriousness, if the Kings don't get their **** together in the next 10 games and Boston comes a calling with Brown and picks you have to consider it.

Man after all the **** you have given me over this subject, I gotta say it's pretty funny seeing you take this side already 3 weeks into the season...

Huh? I think you must be confused. I've never been fully off or on any bandwagon on the subject. I do think they haven't completely explored their options to put a winner together around Cuz but if it doesn't work out of course you move on.

c3j3h · Post #28 » by **c3j3h** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:29 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
c3j3h wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Yeah, and then the Kings can go back to the reality of not having a guy you can go to in a pinch. Yeesh, the vision of John Salmons just came into my head.

In all seriousness, if the Kings don't get their **** together in the next 10 games and Boston comes a calling with Brown and picks you have to consider it.

Man after all the **** you have given me over this subject, I gotta say it's pretty funny seeing you take this side already 3 weeks into the season...

Huh? I think you must be confused. I've never been fully off or on any bandwagon on the subject. I do think they haven't completely explored their options to put a winner together around Cuz but if it doesn't work out of course you move on.

LOL you gave me soooo much flack for my opinion that the Kings need to trade Cousins that I literally could not make a post on this board for MONTHS without hearing from you about it.

SacKingZZZ · Post #29 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:13 am

c3j3h wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:
c3j3h wrote:

Man after all the **** you have given me over this subject, I gotta say it's pretty funny seeing you take this side already 3 weeks into the season...

Huh? I think you must be confused. I've never been fully off or on any bandwagon on the subject. I do think they haven't completely explored their options to put a winner together around Cuz but if it doesn't work out of course you move on.

LOL you gave me soooo much flack for my opinion that the Kings need to trade Cousins that I literally could not make a post on this board for MONTHS without hearing from you about it.

Uh, isn't that the point of a message board? Sorry, I'd need context I don't remember the specifics. Do I actively want Cuz to be traded? Heck no, but even I have brought up various trade ideas on this board involving him and discussed the possibility many times in the past.

FrodoBaggins · Post #30 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:34 pm

c3j3h wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:
c3j3h wrote:

Man after all the **** you have given me over this subject, I gotta say it's pretty funny seeing you take this side already 3 weeks into the season...

Huh? I think you must be confused. I've never been fully off or on any bandwagon on the subject. I do think they haven't completely explored their options to put a winner together around Cuz but if it doesn't work out of course you move on.

LOL you gave me soooo much flack for my opinion that the Kings need to trade Cousins that I literally could not make a post on this board for MONTHS without hearing from you about it.

You're one of the smart fans. The inevitable resolution to the DMC saga has been crystal clear for years to the wise and enlightened.

Post #31 » by **KF10** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:59 am

FrodoBaggins wrote:
c3j3h wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:

Huh? I think you must be confused. I've never been fully off or on any bandwagon on the subject. I do think they haven't completely explored their options to put a winner together around Cuz but if it doesn't work out of course you move on.

LOL you gave me soooo much flack for my opinion that the Kings need to trade Cousins that I literally could not make a post on this board for MONTHS without hearing from you about it.

You're one of the smart fans. The inevitable resolution to the DMC saga has been crystal clear for years to the wise and enlightened.

Like I said in the other thread -- posts like this one is not acceptable. Lets tone it down before warnings will be hand out.

Post #32 » by **Bensational** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:09 pm

Not here to troll, but I'm sure the Magic would love to get in on any deal going down for some of the secondary pieces.

Out of curiosity, how come not many Kings fans want Avery Bradley in a deal for Cuz? He seems like the best player on that team not named Thomas or Horford. Brown obviously has more potential, and Smart is a good hustler, but not a very good player (IMO).

Anyways, I'm hoping that Vlade sees value in Vucevic and maybe Hezonja, and that we can swap some pieces around in a deal. Just spit balling...

SAC
- All the Boston picks
- Brown
- Amir (filler)
- Vucevic
- Hezonja
- Lakers future 1st (from ORL)

BOS
- Cousins
- Watson

ORL
- Bradley
- Gay

Thoughts?

c3j3h · Post #33 » by **c3j3h** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:34 pm

Bensational wrote:Not here to troll, but I'm sure the Magic would love to get in on any deal going down for some of the secondary pieces.

Out of curiosity, how come not many Kings fans want Avery Bradley in a deal for Cuz? He seems like the best player on that team not named Thomas or Horford. Brown obviously has more potential, and Smart is a good hustler, but not a very good player (IMO).

Anyways, I'm hoping that Vlade sees value in Vucevic and maybe Hezonja, and that we can swap some pieces around in a deal. Just spit balling...

SAC
- All the Boston picks
- Brown
- Amir (filler)
- Vucevic
- Hezonja
- Lakers future 1st (from ORL)

BOS
- Cousins
- Watson

ORL
- Bradley
- Gay

Thoughts?

We're not as interested in Bradley because his contract expires after next season and he becomes an unrestricted free agent , same as Cousins. That doesn't do anything for a rebuild at all, it's just another guy that we have to trade.

Assuming that by "All of the Boston picks" you meant the Brooklyn picks, I would snap that deal up in a heartbeat. Where do I sign? We need the 2017 Brooklyn pick to make this work, though, at the very least. Boston doesn't get Cousins without giving up that pick, and more than likely both Brooklyn picks.

Zaccai · Post #34 » by **Zaccai** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:31 am

I agree with u

dozencousins wrote:I don't think any deal with Boston would happen at this point . If the Kings traded Cuz it would likely be at trade deadline . If a deal happens for Cuz Boston would have to unload the farm . Aside from Bradley Boston does not have any actual players the Kings want not counting Horford which won't happen .
Most other teams would have to offer many picks , youth & or expirings in any combinations there of .

If the Kings did trade Cousins that means we are in full youth Mode and in full youth movement for Coach J to have full control over his players to buy into his system as it is far easier to get players whom are rookies to 3-4 year players to not only buy into your system but to follow your teaching rather than bad habits you have been doing for many years as at that point it is far less likely that they change those habits thus not doing what Coach J wants . So if Cousins gets traded we are likely going full rebuild mode . Could get a star or two in return however I feel that is not that likely .

Cuz is staying put .

Jkam31 · Post #35 » by **Jkam31** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:21 am

Zaccai wrote:
I agree with u
dozencousins wrote:I don't think any deal with Boston would happen at this point . If the Kings traded Cuz it would likely be at trade deadline . If a deal happens for Cuz Boston would have to unload the farm . Aside from Bradley Boston does not have any actual players the Kings want not counting Horford which won't happen .
Most other teams would have to offer many picks , youth & or expirings in any combinations there of .

If the Kings did trade Cousins that means we are in full youth Mode and in full youth movement for Coach J to have full control over his players to buy into his system as it is far easier to get players whom are rookies to 3-4 year players to not only buy into your system but to follow your teaching rather than bad habits you have been doing for many years as at that point it is far less likely that they change those habits thus not doing what Coach J wants . So if Cousins gets traded we are likely going full rebuild mode . Could get a star or two in return however I feel that is not that likely .

Cuz is staying put .

But Boston does have those players and picks. If (and I wouldn't trade DMC) we traded him Boston could send us Smart/Brown/Roizer/17 & 18 nets pick. That's 3 young players. And a top 5 pick in a strong draft while Boston keeps there starting 5 together.

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rpa · Post #36 » by **rpa** » Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:47 pm

Bensational wrote:Not here to troll, but I'm sure the Magic would love to get in on any deal going down for some of the secondary pieces.

Out of curiosity, how come not many Kings fans want Avery Bradley in a deal for Cuz? He seems like the best player on that team not named Thomas or Horford. Brown obviously has more potential, and Smart is a good hustler, but not a very good player (IMO).

Anyways, I'm hoping that Vlade sees value in Vucevic and maybe Hezonja, and that we can swap some pieces around in a deal. Just spit balling...

SAC
- All the Boston picks
- Brown
- Amir (filler)
- Vucevic
- Hezonja
- Lakers future 1st (from ORL)

BOS
- Cousins
- Watson

ORL
- Bradley
- Gay

Thoughts?

Seems like Boston is overpaying just so the Magic can get better players/assets (Gay/Bradley) for worse players/assets (Vucevic/Hezonja/Lakers 1st). That is, I have a hard time seeing Boston giving up both picks, Brown, AND Bradley for Cousins and I sure don't see the Kings thinking they'd rather have 2 of the Magic bench players over Bradley and Gay.

My guess is a deal between the Kings and the Celtics would revolve around the BKN picks and Brown plus some other lesser future picks. If the Kings added Bradley, Brown's probably getting pulled--which means the Kings would have to like what they get back from the Magic more than Brown. For that to happen the Magic would probably have to give up something they don't want to give up.

GrapeApe · Post #37 » by **GrapeApe** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:11 pm

c3j3h wrote:
Warriorfan wrote:Sac needs there picks back and young players like Smart Okafor back

Okafor is not the answer. He's not ever going to be even half as good as Cousins. He's the 4th-best big man on his own team...

I assume you have Embiid and Noel ahead of Okafor, who are #3 and #4? Just curious.

GrapeApe · Post #38 » by **GrapeApe** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:16 pm

Jkam31 wrote:
But Boston does have those players and picks. If (and I wouldn't trade DMC) we traded him Boston could send us Smart/Brown/Roizer/17 & 18 nets pick. That's 3 young players. And a top 5 pick in a strong draft while Boston keeps there starting 5 together.

So you trade for two point guards and a pick in a draft that is top heavy with point guards?

GrapeApe · Post #39 » by **GrapeApe** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:33 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote: I do think they haven't completely explored their options to put a winner together around Cuz but if it doesn't work out of course you move on.

I will assume Cousins and Gay are who you would build that winner around with Collison as a distant third. I suppose there could be a chance to swing Gay for quality players. What do you see as the Kings assets to trade to acquire talent?

Do you think they could do something like Gay for Oledipo and Payne? I don't think it works cause Oledipo has a poison pill.

What teams are desperate for a small forward?

Or do you use some combination of picks/Scal/Mclemore/Papa?

DaddyCool19 · Post #40 » by **DaddyCool19** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:06 pm

GrapeApe wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote: I do think they haven't completely explored their options to put a winner together around Cuz but if it doesn't work out of course you move on.

I will assume Cousins and Gay are who you would build that winner around with Collison as a distant third. I suppose there could be a chance to swing Gay for quality players. What do you see as the Kings assets to trade to acquire talent?

Do you think they could do something like Gay for Oledipo and Payne? I don't think it works cause Oledipo has a poison pill.

What teams are desperate for a small forward?

Or do you use some combination of picks/Scal/Mclemore/Papa?

I think you mixed sth up. Oladipo was a first round pick and signed a normal extension which will start after this season. IIRC you can only poison pill players who have 2 years or less experience in the league. Maybe 3? Not 100% sure about that.