Ntikilina or Smith Jr?

[tyguy]

Frank quite easily for me. Better defender, better physical tools and in my opinion a better jump shot right now.

[blind prophet]

Bleacher report has Frank going to the Knicks at 7 and us getting Smith at 8

They think Isaac would go to us at 10 too.

The mocks are probably gonna be all over the place here for a week or two.

[City of Trees]

Bleacher report has Frank going to the Knicks at 7 and us getting Smith at 8

They think Isaac would go to us at 10 too.

The mocks are probably gonna be all over the place here for a week or two.

Isaac at 10 would make my day

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[SacKingZZZ]

You're not guaranteeing failure for anyone. It is dog eat dog game. If you can't raise to the occasion, that is on the players problem. Players that deserve playing will earn it

Scenario: If Smith and Ntikilina both were available, and they are best players on the board at the time of each pick. I would draft both player. Even if it affects Buddy Hields development because we drafted two guards.

And it's the team that ultimately loses. Rising to the occasion is sometimes irrelevant when dealing with players that were drafted for 1 or at most 2 skills. If you don't allow them to provide that role you get, well, Ben McLemore. All of a sudden he's getting a piece of the offense 4 years and post Cuz later and he's starting to produce. Where were those shots before? David Kahn style GM'ing doesn't work. You don't corner the market on a position in the NBA, you waste assets and time.

Ben Mclemore is not a victim of circumstances. He just was rated higher than he should have been coming in to league. People thought Ray Allen was a valid comparison.Low IQ is what killed his chances to be great. He also cant create on his own shot or handle the ball well. It is player dependent. He is not elite level player and never will be. If you want to say he could have been in different circumstances, that is debatable.

I like the young players we have, but none of them are players that I would say okay we are set at that position. (Outside maybe Hield). We want to be an elite level team. We have to explore every option right now to just get yourself credible


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Maybe so, but even a low IQ player getting minutes and shots will hold more value than one sitting on the bench in favor of someone else because they fit better. If the Kings needed points and only points out of the SG spot Ben would have been perfect. Next to Collison, Gay, and Cuz that wasn't happening so his shortcomings in all other aspects of the game became glaring rather than his positives being a focal point. The last few weeks Ben is finally in a role where he can be a bigger part of the offense, handle the ball more, etc. and shocker, his stats have improved. He isn't an elite level player, and that's my point as to why when you aren't drafting a LeBron type who can do it all, you have to draft a player knowing they will get a chance to play and produce because your team can accommodate them. All around elite players make their own place on your team, but there are probably 5 of those types in the entire league at any given point in time.

[SacKingZZZ]

Bleacher report has Frank going to the Knicks at 7 and us getting Smith at 8

They think Isaac would go to us at 10 too.

The mocks are probably gonna be all over the place here for a week or two.

This is a draft where need will probably factor in. It's been the same basic crop of teams in or around the same place in the draft for eons and in 1 year the Kings have caught up to some of the others in the overloaded with young talent department. Fit should matter for almost every team.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

And it's the team that ultimately loses. Rising to the occasion is sometimes irrelevant when dealing with players that were drafted for 1 or at most 2 skills. If you don't allow them to provide that role you get, well, Ben McLemore. All of a sudden he's getting a piece of the offense 4 years and post Cuz later and he's starting to produce. Where were those shots before? David Kahn style GM'ing doesn't work. You don't corner the market on a position in the NBA, you waste assets and time.

Ben Mclemore is not a victim of circumstances. He just was rated higher than he should have been coming in to league. People thought Ray Allen was a valid comparison.Low IQ is what killed his chances to be great. He also cant create on his own shot or handle the ball well. It is player dependent. He is not elite level player and never will be. If you want to say he could have been in different circumstances, that is debatable.

I like the young players we have, but none of them are players that I would say okay we are set at that position. (Outside maybe Hield). We want to be an elite level team. We have to explore every option right now to just get yourself credible


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Maybe so, but even a low IQ player getting minutes and shots will hold more value than one sitting on the bench in favor of someone else because they fit better. If the Kings needed points and only points out of the SG spot Ben would have been perfect. Next to Collison, Gay, and Cuz that wasn't happening so his shortcomings in all other aspects of the game became glaring rather than his positives being a focal point. The last few weeks Ben is finally in a role where he can be a bigger part of the offense, handle the ball more, etc. and shocker, his stats have improved. He isn't an elite level player, and that's my point as to why when you aren't drafting a LeBron type who can do it all, you have to draft a player knowing they will get a chance to play and produce because your team can accommodate them. All around elite players make their own place on your team, but there are probably 5 of those types in the entire league at any given point in time.

There was nothing perfect about Ben Mclemore as a player, even if we needed him just to give us points but we are getting away from what we are debating from.

You think we should not draft players we already have prospects at the position (say we draft both PG with both picks or if we draft another 2guard like Monk even though we have Hield or a PF where we have Skal), because it will hurt their value and they might hinder the way they develop.

I say we throw caution to the wind. Grab the best players we can regardless of position even it hurts the development of another player.

And it all comes down to this for me, I do not think our prospects are good enough to be an elite team. We aren't striving to be mediocre here. WCS, Papa, Skal, Hield, nice players, good prospects. lots of potential, but he need more talent. Period.

[SacKingZZZ]

Ben Mclemore is not a victim of circumstances. He just was rated higher than he should have been coming in to league. People thought Ray Allen was a valid comparison.Low IQ is what killed his chances to be great. He also cant create on his own shot or handle the ball well. It is player dependent. He is not elite level player and never will be. If you want to say he could have been in different circumstances, that is debatable.

I like the young players we have, but none of them are players that I would say okay we are set at that position. (Outside maybe Hield). We want to be an elite level team. We have to explore every option right now to just get yourself credible


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Maybe so, but even a low IQ player getting minutes and shots will hold more value than one sitting on the bench in favor of someone else because they fit better. If the Kings needed points and only points out of the SG spot Ben would have been perfect. Next to Collison, Gay, and Cuz that wasn't happening so his shortcomings in all other aspects of the game became glaring rather than his positives being a focal point. The last few weeks Ben is finally in a role where he can be a bigger part of the offense, handle the ball more, etc. and shocker, his stats have improved. He isn't an elite level player, and that's my point as to why when you aren't drafting a LeBron type who can do it all, you have to draft a player knowing they will get a chance to play and produce because your team can accommodate them. All around elite players make their own place on your team, but there are probably 5 of those types in the entire league at any given point in time.

There was nothing perfect about Ben Mclemore as a player, even if we needed him just to give us points but we are getting away from what we are debating from.

You think we should not draft players we already have prospects at the position (say we draft both PG with both picks or if we draft another 2guard like Monk even though we have Hield or a PF where we have Skal), because it will hurt their value and they might hinder the way they develop.

I say we throw caution to the wind. Grab the best players we can regardless of position even it hurts the development of another player.

And it all comes down to this for me, I do not think our prospects are good enough to be an elite team. We aren't striving to be mediocre here. WCS, Papa, Skal, Hield, nice players, good prospects. lots of potential, but he need more talent. Period.

I agree, but for what you would have asked of him it would have been perfect for him. This is a textbook example of why if you draft a more one dimensional player with a pick that high you better have a use for them other than being "BPA". If they aren't the best player for your team you'll never get what you need to out of them, especially in terms of value.

Not all things are relative, say, if Ben were drafted 45th overall how would you view his value? We're talking about top 10 picks here. I'm fine adding repetitive talent and seeing if they can rise above but not with lottery picks. We've watched the Kings do that too many times the last few years and repeated to watch them trot off to nowhereville. Grabbing two PG's wouldn't be the end of the world but I seriously doubt the coaching staff wants two rookie PG's on the roster that are expected to bring the team to relevance again. Frank is an interesting scenario because he might end up not even being a PG much like Tyreke. But if he ends up like Tyreke it might be that his best spot is PG so there is your pickle.

I was high on Hield in the last draft and I'm confident in him as a prospect over a lot of the lottery talent in this draft personally. Skal was once upon a time right there with Ben Simmons as best player coming in to college. Yet, another example of how role and expectations can effect value BTW. I like what the Kings have, plus you may have Bogdanovic coming over. IMO I think Bogdanovic will end up playing a bit of PG and might be best used there in the end as we've seen someone like Harden transition to the PG spot very effectively. Not that he's anywhere near prolific but there is a similar physical profile and similar type of game between the two.

As for best players, this probably won't be a scenario where there is a clear cut winner with what the Kings have to choose from. I mean look at last draft for example. If someone drops unexpectedly then the circumstances obviously change.

[916fan]

DSJ. I see him as an elite scorer in the NBA. I think he could become our franchise player. Imagine the DSJ-Hield backcourt. Who's stopping them?

[SactownHrtBrks8]

OG is guy i would look to take at10 or if we traded down. Guy will be adefensive monster. Has potential as a 3 and D. Perfect for what be need a sf


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[c3j3h]

DSJ. I see him as an elite scorer in the NBA. I think he could become our franchise player. Imagine the DSJ-Hield backcourt. Who's stopping them?

The question I'm worried about is who are they stopping?

[SacKingZZZ]

DSJ. I see him as an elite scorer in the NBA. I think he could become our franchise player. Imagine the DSJ-Hield backcourt. Who's stopping them?

The question I'm worried about is who are they stopping?

Exactly. Although I want to say this. I've been looking up some footage of DSJ in workouts and what not, some prior to the injury I believe and there was certainly something there defensively. In college it may indeed have been him being cautious with the knee to some extent. Him not having great length or size will be a factor but if he comes back fully healthy and committed he can put work in one on one for sure. I've seen the Eric Bledsoe comparisons and if he can become a decent defender I can see it.

[SacKingZZZ]

OG is guy i would look to take at10 or if we traded down. Guy will be adefensive monster. Has potential as a 3 and D. Perfect for what be need a sf


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Yeah, his ability to guard even huge PF's is a plus. He's got a good physical profile and I think he could be an A.C. Green type defensively IMO.

[FNQ]

Because my wife and brother in law are huge Kings fans I've taken a special interest in this draft.. if Ntkilina is there at 8, it'd be a blessing. Frankly I dont see why Ball gets all this hype and Ntkilina doesn't. Maybe Frank's dad doesnt make enough of a media crapstorm? But the guy is crazy long, has great handles, and is a pass-first PG with the ability to shoot over most PGs (and an underrated shooter, too).

I like Smith quite a bit too but his lack of defensive intensity and his sometimes jaw-dropping shot selection reminds me a lot of Baron Davis on the Warriors.

[benchmobbin02]

OG is guy i would look to take at10 or if we traded down. Guy will be adefensive monster. Has potential as a 3 and D. Perfect for what be need a sf


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Yeah, his ability to guard even huge PF's is a plus. He's got a good physical profile and I think he could be an A.C. Green type defensively IMO.

Yup love OG. Just scared by the silence surrounding the knee injury. Recovery is a question? Still like him as a late lotto pick.

I really like Semi Ojeleye as a poor man's OG, for lack of a better term. He is an option with our 34th pick or as a late 1st in a trade down scenario.

[KF10]

I really dislike prospects who have potential injury problems that can impact them in the future. As much as I like DSJ, I go with Frank here.

[bwgood77]

Some great passing starts at about 1:15...prior to that mostly dunks and shots...just letting you know it's not JUST that.

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[JohnWillow]

Some great passing starts at about 1:15...prior to that mostly dunks and shots...just letting you know it's not JUST that.

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meh not gonna enjoy this highlight clip, I talked myself into Ntilikina for months now and nothing is gonna change my thoughts that he is one of the top priorities for me to draft.

[SacKingZZZ]

I've been watching more Ntilikina stuff and I like what I see. He seems to really look to pass first and makes the easy and obvious pass to open shooters. DSJ is a little too much triple threat action for my taste. I'm not sure how well he fits with Hield at SG. Talent for talent right now I'd give the edge to DSJ though and if the Kings desperately needed a player that could produce at higher usage I'd be OK with it, but they aren't. I think the Knicks would be stupid to pass up Smith Jr. if he's there.

[sacking123]

I have only just started watching some film on prospects. I don't mind Ntikilina TBH, if he isn't going to play next season.
He is too raw to put out there at PG. I think with some development though he could become the perfect PG for us. I really enjoy the way he goes about it, picking the best basketball play instead of looking for stats. His shot needs to get better, but how many prospects' don't?
I would really like to select him with 1 of our picks.


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[GimmeDat]

I'm surprised so many of you are in to Frank. I would've gone for Smith Jr. if I was you guys.