RealGM 2017 Fan Forum Mock Draft - SAC #5

[benchmobbin02]

Am I the only one who thinks it's completely nuts that people are considering Justin Jackson at 10 just because we pick D'Aaron Fox at 5? I have him as an end of the first round talent (who I probably wouldn't even take then). He's a Junior with less impressive skills and potential than so many other prospects. I don't think it's ever a good idea to reach in a draft just to fill a position and any GM with half a brain would agree. This is especially clear since we are many years off from championship contention. We need talented players with high potential and great character. Position won't matter until we're a playoff team.

I think people(plural) is the wrong word to use...

[VeganKingsFan]

Am I the only one who thinks it's completely nuts that people are considering Justin Jackson at 10 just because we pick D'Aaron Fox at 5? I have him as an end of the first round talent (who I probably wouldn't even take then). He's a Junior with less impressive skills and potential than so many other prospects. I don't think it's ever a good idea to reach in a draft just to fill a position and any GM with half a brain would agree. This is especially clear since we are many years off from championship contention. We need talented players with high potential and great character. Position won't matter until we're a playoff team.

I think people(plural) is the wrong word to use...

I've heard quite a few broadcasters and fans bring up Justin Jackson at the 10th pick. I'm not just talking about this board. I think it's lunacy.

[benchmobbin02]

Am I the only one who thinks it's completely nuts that people are considering Justin Jackson at 10 just because we pick D'Aaron Fox at 5? I have him as an end of the first round talent (who I probably wouldn't even take then). He's a Junior with less impressive skills and potential than so many other prospects. I don't think it's ever a good idea to reach in a draft just to fill a position and any GM with half a brain would agree. This is especially clear since we are many years off from championship contention. We need talented players with high potential and great character. Position won't matter until we're a playoff team.

I think people(plural) is the wrong word to use...

I've heard quite a few broadcasters and fans bring up Justin Jackson at the 10th pick. I'm not just talking about this board. I think it's lunacy.

I have been following the draft pretty closely and I haven't heard that at all but no one see it all I guess. Pretty far fetched.

[OhioKingsFan]

I don't think it is lunacy. Justin Jackson would definitely be in the conversation at 10 for me. If Fox is the pick then shooting on the wings is a must, and he had an very impressive season. I think he's 15 lbs away from being a solid NBA rotation player. The skillset is there IMO.

I'm curious why you rate Justin Jackson so low. He's not #10 on my big board, but he's not too far out of it.

[VeganKingsFan]

I don't think it is lunacy. Justin Jackson would definitely be in the conversation at 10 for me. If Fox is the pick then shooting on the wings is a must, and he had an very impressive season. I think he's 15 lbs away from being a solid NBA rotation player. The skillset is there IMO.

I'm curious why you rate Justin Jackson so low. He's not #10 on my big board, but he's not too far out of it.

He isn't fast or explosive, doesn't have a single potential NBA level skill. Everything about him looks mediocre. Hoping he'll be a "solid NBA rotation player" isn't very exciting. So many players even at the beginning of the second round have something about them. He also doesn't have the character to overachieve. He has all the hallmarks of the majority of draft picks that can't live up to the hype. What is it that you like about him? His stats aren't great for a 22 year old Junior. His tools aren't good. He isn't versatile, overly intelligent or a lights out shooter. Too many exciting and promising prospects in this great draft to go for a mediocre player.

[City of Trees]

I don't think it is lunacy. Justin Jackson would definitely be in the conversation at 10 for me. If Fox is the pick then shooting on the wings is a must, and he had an very impressive season. I think he's 15 lbs away from being a solid NBA rotation player. The skillset is there IMO.

I'm curious why you rate Justin Jackson so low. He's not #10 on my big board, but he's not too far out of it.

He isn't fast or explosive, doesn't have a single potential NBA level skill. Everything about him looks mediocre. Hoping he'll be a "solid NBA rotation player" isn't very exciting. So many players even at the beginning of the second round have something about them. He also doesn't have the character to overachieve. He has all the hallmarks of the majority of draft picks that can't live up to the hype. What is it that you like about him? His stats aren't great for a 22 year old Junior. His tools aren't good. He isn't versatile, overly intelligent or a lights out shooter. Too many exciting and promising prospects in this great draft to go for a mediocre player.

Piggybacking off VeganKingsFan, take a look at Jackson's statistics/ advanced stats and you'll see there wasn't much improvement during his 3 years in college which is a big red flag IMO. The only reason he scored 18ppg this season is because his usage went up from shooting seven 3's per game.

Jackson is a bad pick at 10.

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[VeganKingsFan]

Justin Jackson (a 22 year old Junior): 6.29 Win Shares in 1281 minutes (not a high Win Shares per minute rate) , 20.23 PER

Examples of Freshmen who may be available at 10 or later (all have better Win Shares per minute and PER):
Zach Collins: 5.09 Win Shares in 670 minutes, 29.00 PER
Lauri Markkanen: 6.84 Win Shares in 1140 minutes, 23.50 PER
Jonathan Isaac: 4.22 Win Shares in 839 minutes, 23.39 PER
T.J. Leaf: 5.88 Win Shares in 1048 minutes, 24.96 PER
Justin Patton: 4.38 Win Shares in 885 minutes, 23.54 PER
Bam Adebayo: 5.74 Win Shares in 1146 minutes, 20.47 PER

The list of Sophomores would be nice too.

[VeganKingsFan]

I felt like looking up some Sophomore Stats too so might as well share.

John Collins: 5.72 Win Shares in 878 minutes, 33.28 PER
Jawun Evans: 5.02 Win Shares in 936 minutes, 25.95 PER
Donovan Mitchell: 5.55 Win Shares in 1092 minutes, 20.85 PER
Luke Kennard: 7.34 Win Shares in 1314 minutes, 23.00 PER
Caleb Swanigan: 6.55 Win Shares in 1139 minutes, 24.94 PER

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Justin Jackson compare to Francisco Garcia or is he better? If he isn't much better than he isn't worth it at 10.

[VeganKingsFan]

Justin Jackson compare to Francisco Garcia or is he better? If he isn't much better than he isn't worth it at 10.

Justin Jackson (Jr. Year): 6.29 Win Shares in 1281 minutes, 20.23 PER
Francisco Garcia (Jr. Year): 7.21 Win Shares in 1211 minutes, 21.65 PER

Garcia was also known as a good defender with great character/leadership.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Justin Jackson compare to Francisco Garcia or is he better? If he isn't much better than he isn't worth it at 10.

Justin Jackson (Jr. Year): 6.29 Win Shares in 1281 minutes, 20.23 PER
Francisco Garcia (Jr. Year): 7.21 Win Shares in 1211 minutes, 21.65 PER

Garcia was also known as a good defender with great character/leadership.

Wow those numbers are close and favor Cisco. I used him as comparison because of their size, age, and position. I always liked Cisco but would never use 10th pick to draft him.

[blind prophet]

When was the last time we had everyone on this board agreeing on a single draft prospect?

It looks like it is an unanimous pro-Fox group here.

A little eerie

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It's not unanimous...some jughead voted for Monk.

blind p and bleeds all haven't declared in this thread...

It is a mystery.

[benchmobbin02]

A little eerie

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It's not unanimous...some jughead voted for Monk.

blind p and bleeds all haven't declared in this thread...

It is a mystery.

Not anymore.

[blind prophet]

It's not unanimous...some jughead voted for Monk.

blind p and bleeds all haven't declared in this thread...

It is a mystery.

Not anymore.

Is to me because I voted Fox.

[bleeds_purple]

I voted Fox. I like everything I read and heard about him or heard him say. I also like Tatum and Jackson so I think I'll be happy with anything we draft at 5 unless it's Lonzo Ball. Could you imagine the **** storm his dad would rain on Sacramento? No thanks.

Regarding Jackson, I included him in my list based purely off seeing him in that range on a number of websites. I generally don't read much about draft prospects beyond their bios on the various draft sites and I don't watch NCAA at all. So if he's really not projected in that range them excuse my ignorance.

That being said, I generally don't agree with the notion of drafting BPA unless you're talking top end talent. You got to draft to build a cohesive roster. Regardless of where you are in the roster development process you gotta be thinking long-term fit. Right now we have a ton of PF/C types and SGs so we should draft a PG and a F with those picks.

[benchmobbin02]

It is a mystery.

Not anymore.

Is to me because I voted Fox.

Thank you, that's what I wanted to know haha

[getrichordie]

Who are you guys taking if Fox is gone (assuming Fultz, Ball, Jackson are off the board)?

[City of Trees]

Who are you guys taking if Fox is gone (assuming Fultz, Ball, Jackson are off the board)?

If Fox is gone you'll find this board full of different opinions. I'd like to see them take Isaac.

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[enderwilson]

Who are you guys taking if Fox is gone (assuming Fultz, Ball, Jackson are off the board)?

If Fox is gone you'll find this board full of different opinions. I'd like to see them take Isaac.

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Because we are in the development/team building phase of our rebuild, I believe we should go with high character, high upside type individuals. While Tatum and DSJ are probably considered more NBA ready and can contribute right away, some of the criticisms of their game, and personalities to an extent, lead me to believe that they might provide drawbacks as well as benefits to our rebuild. They seem like more of the players you would want if you have the vets and the go-to players on your team already established, and the team needs them as a player that will fill a void and push them into the playoffs.

By comparison, I like what I hear about Isaac. Everything from a high character guy to having one of the highest upsides of this draft class. While young and raw, so is our team. We need to look at solid, long term investments and he sounds like a good choice to fill a need that we will have going forward now that Gay is moving on.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't think the Kings should consider Smith at 5 unless they are prepared to take him regardless prior to the draft. They don't need to make this more complicated than it is. I can see the Isaac debate but if Fox, Ball, and Fultz are off the board then you decide between whoever is left of Tatum, Isaac, or Jackson. At 10 you decide between Smith or Ntilikina. Done and done.