Is signing Hill good for Fox?

[jonjames]

Hate this signing

[Sacramento_King]

Hate this signing

Care to elaborate. The kid is 19 and weighs 170. I was all for play the kids last year but have to admit the growth of Skal, Papa and what we saw from Malachi makes me believe that this guy Joerger and Kings coaching staff kind of has a clue. To put the kind of pressure on Fox and Mason to be a successful point guard tandem in today's game from day one is a lot to ask. Now, we can allow Fox to grow at a pace conducive to what he can handle, and if need be play Hill off ball which he can do or play him in an off the bench role.

[jazanetti]

Hate this signing

Care to elaborate. The kid is 19 and weighs 170. I was all for play the kids last year but have to admit the growth of Skal, Papa and what we saw from Malachi makes me believe that this guy Joerger and Kings coaching staff kind of has a clue. To put the kind of pressure on Fox and Mason to be a successful point guard tandem in today's game from day one is a lot to ask. Now, we can allow Fox to grow at a pace conducive to what he can handle, and if need be play Hill off ball which he can do or play him in an off the bench role.

20 million guy off the bench? This will decrease his market value and we won't be able to trade him away without adding assets.
Still thinking 3 years was bad decision.

[blind prophet]

Hate this signing

Care to elaborate. The kid is 19 and weighs 170. I was all for play the kids last year but have to admit the growth of Skal, Papa and what we saw from Malachi makes me believe that this guy Joerger and Kings coaching staff kind of has a clue. To put the kind of pressure on Fox and Mason to be a successful point guard tandem in today's game from day one is a lot to ask. Now, we can allow Fox to grow at a pace conducive to what he can handle, and if need be play Hill off ball which he can do or play him in an off the bench role.

20 million guy off the bench? This will decrease his market value and we won't be able to trade him away without adding assets.
Still thinking 3 years was bad decision.

Hill is gonna start man.

The entire season unless he gets hurt.

I could see us moving him not this seasons trade deadline but in 2019 if Fox & Mason look all right.

[Diop]

Like I said. What top 5 PG's didn't start.

Steve Nash, John Stockton, Mark Price.

So only great white guards I guess

[Sacramento_King]

Hate this signing

Care to elaborate. The kid is 19 and weighs 170. I was all for play the kids last year but have to admit the growth of Skal, Papa and what we saw from Malachi makes me believe that this guy Joerger and Kings coaching staff kind of has a clue. To put the kind of pressure on Fox and Mason to be a successful point guard tandem in today's game from day one is a lot to ask. Now, we can allow Fox to grow at a pace conducive to what he can handle, and if need be play Hill off ball which he can do or play him in an off the bench role.

20 million guy off the bench? This will decrease his market value and we won't be able to trade him away without adding assets.
Still thinking 3 years was bad decision.

Hill is going to start. Fox will have to be better then Hill to take the spot w.hich is the way it should be. Fox has a great work ethic it seems and the right attitude but nothing should be given under the new regime and he has to earn it. Hill is two years with team option for third so not a real albatross of a deal.

[jazanetti]

Care to elaborate. The kid is 19 and weighs 170. I was all for play the kids last year but have to admit the growth of Skal, Papa and what we saw from Malachi makes me believe that this guy Joerger and Kings coaching staff kind of has a clue. To put the kind of pressure on Fox and Mason to be a successful point guard tandem in today's game from day one is a lot to ask. Now, we can allow Fox to grow at a pace conducive to what he can handle, and if need be play Hill off ball which he can do or play him in an off the bench role.

20 million guy off the bench? This will decrease his market value and we won't be able to trade him away without adding assets.
Still thinking 3 years was bad decision.

Hill is gonna start man.

The entire season unless he gets hurt.

I could see us moving him not this seasons trade deadline but in 2019 if Fox & Mason look all right.

But what if Fox will develop faster and be ready to start during this season? And what if we will be far away from PO by deadline?

[blind prophet]

20 million guy off the bench? This will decrease his market value and we won't be able to trade him away without adding assets.
Still thinking 3 years was bad decision.

Hill is gonna start man.

The entire season unless he gets hurt.

I could see us moving him not this seasons trade deadline but in 2019 if Fox & Mason look all right.

But what if Fox will develop faster and be ready to start during this season? And what if we will be far away from PO by deadline?

I wouldn't of signed Hill in the first place.

But since we have.

I don't think it is going to be a problem this year, even if Fox plays fantastic. Next year is where I think the problem may lie assuming Fox really turns out to be good.

Hill is going to be playing for his last mega contract, either with the team picking up the option, or in FA.

So you'd have to hope to make a move later.

I also think Mason is going to have a long worthwhile career also.

[blind prophet]

And Hill has legit injury risk too, thank goodness the last year is a partial, but i haven't heard for how much.

[Sacramento_King]

20 million guy off the bench? This will decrease his market value and we won't be able to trade him away without adding assets.
Still thinking 3 years was bad decision.

Hill is gonna start man.

The entire season unless he gets hurt.

I could see us moving him not this seasons trade deadline but in 2019 if Fox & Mason look all right.

But what if Fox will develop faster and be ready to start during this season? And what if we will be far away from PO by deadline?

Then we have a pretty good problem dont we. Two legit point guards and Mason possibly a third. Does it limit what we can do as far as taking additional monies from teams, absolutely, but Hill fits what Joerger wants from his team, low turnovers, play tough d and hits the outside shot. He's a solid vet that Fox and Mason as well as our shooting guards will learn from.

[SacKingZZZ]

Like I said. What top 5 PG's didn't start.

Steve Nash, John Stockton, Mark Price.

So only great white guards I guess

We were talking top 5 draft picks.

[SacKingZZZ]

Care to elaborate. The kid is 19 and weighs 170. I was all for play the kids last year but have to admit the growth of Skal, Papa and what we saw from Malachi makes me believe that this guy Joerger and Kings coaching staff kind of has a clue. To put the kind of pressure on Fox and Mason to be a successful point guard tandem in today's game from day one is a lot to ask. Now, we can allow Fox to grow at a pace conducive to what he can handle, and if need be play Hill off ball which he can do or play him in an off the bench role.

20 million guy off the bench? This will decrease his market value and we won't be able to trade him away without adding assets.
Still thinking 3 years was bad decision.

Hill is gonna start man.

The entire season unless he gets hurt.

I could see us moving him not this seasons trade deadline but in 2019 if Fox & Mason look all right.

I can't see that happening if the team isn't in the playoff picture by the mid point of the season.

[Diop]

Like I said. What top 5 PG's didn't start.

Steve Nash, John Stockton, Mark Price.

So only great white guards I guess

We were talking top 5 draft picks.

bugger

[blind prophet]

20 million guy off the bench? This will decrease his market value and we won't be able to trade him away without adding assets.
Still thinking 3 years was bad decision.

Hill is gonna start man.

The entire season unless he gets hurt.

I could see us moving him not this seasons trade deadline but in 2019 if Fox & Mason look all right.

I can't see that happening if the team isn't in the playoff picture by the mid point of the season.

Yeah we have no pick, but if its not likely for Vlade to pick up the team option and he can get a better suited piece I can.

[jazanetti]

Hill is gonna start man.

The entire season unless he gets hurt.

I could see us moving him not this seasons trade deadline but in 2019 if Fox & Mason look all right.

But what if Fox will develop faster and be ready to start during this season? And what if we will be far away from PO by deadline?

Then we have a pretty good problem dont we. Two legit point guards and Mason possibly a third. Does it limit what we can do as far as taking additional monies from teams, absolutely, but Hill fits what Joerger wants from his team, low turnovers, play tough d and hits the outside shot. He's a solid vet that Fox and Mason as well as our shooting guards will learn from.

Hill is not the problem, he is good player and very good teammate. Problem is his 20 million contract in 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 (if it is guaranteed).

[blind prophet]

But what if Fox will develop faster and be ready to start during this season? And what if we will be far away from PO by deadline?

Then we have a pretty good problem dont we. Two legit point guards and Mason possibly a third. Does it limit what we can do as far as taking additional monies from teams, absolutely, but Hill fits what Joerger wants from his team, low turnovers, play tough d and hits the outside shot. He's a solid vet that Fox and Mason as well as our shooting guards will learn from.

Hill is not the problem, he is good player and very good teammate. Problem is his 20 million contract in 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 (if it is guaranteed).

It would be a good idea to shop him next year if Fox looks like he is ready to go.

As long as Hill doesn't get hurt, we should be able to find a taker. Maybe that will be how we get a decent SF.

[SacKingZZZ]

Then we have a pretty good problem dont we. Two legit point guards and Mason possibly a third. Does it limit what we can do as far as taking additional monies from teams, absolutely, but Hill fits what Joerger wants from his team, low turnovers, play tough d and hits the outside shot. He's a solid vet that Fox and Mason as well as our shooting guards will learn from.

Hill is not the problem, he is good player and very good teammate. Problem is his 20 million contract in 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 (if it is guaranteed).

It would be a good idea to shop him next year if Fox looks like he is ready to go.

As long as Hill doesn't get hurt, we should be able to find a taker. Maybe that will be how we get a decent SF.

I just hope whatever direction they have in mind is well known to both Randolph and Hill and it doesn't involve a 2-3 year plan to ease the young guys in. With the length of contracts these days and an almost automatic pay day for anyone that can chew bubble gum and dribble a ball you can't afford to waste much time. Even with young draft picks you have to preserve some sort of asset value in case they don't fit into your plans moving forward.

[blind prophet]

Hill is not the problem, he is good player and very good teammate. Problem is his 20 million contract in 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 (if it is guaranteed).

It would be a good idea to shop him next year if Fox looks like he is ready to go.

As long as Hill doesn't get hurt, we should be able to find a taker. Maybe that will be how we get a decent SF.

I just hope whatever direction they have in mind is well known to both Randolph and Hill and it doesn't involve a 2-3 year plan to ease the young guys in. With the length of contracts these days and an almost automatic pay day for anyone that can chew bubble gum and dribble a ball you can't afford to waste much time. Even with young draft picks you have to preserve some sort of asset value in case they don't fit into your plans moving forward.

We are in a tough PR spot.

But maybe this will be one of Vlade's short comings, being too nice.

Guess we will see.

Hill on a 1 year + partial I'd be just fine with, same with Randolph.

[jazanetti]

Then we have a pretty good problem dont we. Two legit point guards and Mason possibly a third. Does it limit what we can do as far as taking additional monies from teams, absolutely, but Hill fits what Joerger wants from his team, low turnovers, play tough d and hits the outside shot. He's a solid vet that Fox and Mason as well as our shooting guards will learn from.

Hill is not the problem, he is good player and very good teammate. Problem is his 20 million contract in 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 (if it is guaranteed).

It would be a good idea to shop him next year if Fox looks like he is ready to go.

As long as Hill doesn't get hurt, we should be able to find a taker. Maybe that will be how we get a decent SF.

Thats what I'm trying to say. It would be difficult to move Hill if Fox would be better than him.

[Sacramento_King]

Hill is not the problem, he is good player and very good teammate. Problem is his 20 million contract in 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 (if it is guaranteed).

It would be a good idea to shop him next year if Fox looks like he is ready to go.

As long as Hill doesn't get hurt, we should be able to find a taker. Maybe that will be how we get a decent SF.

Thats what I'm trying to say. It would be difficult to move Hill if Fox would be better than him.

Fox should be better then him next year. Most Kings fans believe that or at least hope that. Hopefully, he is better this season.

Do you really believe we go into next season with Fox starting and Mason backing him up? Is that really a recipe for success? We have two contracts in 18 - 19; Zach and Hill. KK and Temple will probably opt out. I think we can be ok with his 19 million dollar deal.