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[City of Trees]

Nobody should consider Malachi a throw in to get a deal done with the Cavs . It is not to say Malachi is not tradable but also likely not needed in such a deal with Clev . If Clev parted with the N.J. 1st in the deal which they likely won't so if they won't we should be able to net CLev's 1st without Malachi in the deal .

Its a good deal now IMO. That pick is more valuable today than it was on Monday. If Malachi is the difference between a 2nd in the 50's and a 1st anywhere from 18-26 then I'm game. Throw him in.

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[dozencousins]

Nobody should consider Malachi a throw in to get a deal done with the Cavs . It is not to say Malachi is not tradable but also likely not needed in such a deal with Clev . If Clev parted with the N.J. 1st in the deal which they likely won't so if they won't we should be able to net CLev's 1st without Malachi in the deal .

Its a good deal now IMO. That pick is more valuable today than it was on Monday. If Malachi is the difference between a 2nd in the 50's and a 1st anywhere from 18-26 then I'm game. Throw him in.

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I get what your saying but no need to settle . I say if they only offer us a 2nd rounder which they have tried I say we pass . If they offer us their 1st but demand malachi again I say we pass there to . Their is no need for us to rush and take a bad deal and rid us a young talent just to please Hill . The deal for them to get hill and us get the scrubs we would be getting considering we would have no plan on keeping any of past the remainder of this season at best . We should not have to sweeten any pot . Hill would have no problem being traded to another team this season if not before next and why give up a young talent to boot that could at least fetch us a 2nd rounder by himself alone if not be a sweetener on another deal . The Cavs are in a far more desperate position than we are in no need to cave .
If we do not hold firm on making sure we get a better deal then we as a franchise will always get the worst of all deals and offers will always be that of teams trying to take advantage of us .

No need for us to add to add Malachi in this deal unless it is him going to another team via another trade . The player we are offering has far more value around the NBA than the players being offered to us . Frye is good and the best of the 2 rumored to us but we will not be keeping him if we get him . He would likely be bought out & sign with another team .

[City of Trees]

Nobody should consider Malachi a throw in to get a deal done with the Cavs . It is not to say Malachi is not tradable but also likely not needed in such a deal with Clev . If Clev parted with the N.J. 1st in the deal which they likely won't so if they won't we should be able to net CLev's 1st without Malachi in the deal .

Its a good deal now IMO. That pick is more valuable today than it was on Monday. If Malachi is the difference between a 2nd in the 50's and a 1st anywhere from 18-26 then I'm game. Throw him in.

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I get what your saying but no need to settle . I say if they only offer us a 2nd rounder which they have tried I say we pass . If they offer us their 1st but demand malachi again I say we pass there to . Their is no need for us to rush and take a bad deal and rid us a young talent just to please Hill . The deal for them to get hill and us get the scrubs we would be getting considering we would have no plan on keeping any of past the remainder of this season at best . We should not have to sweeten any pot . Hill would have no problem being traded to another team this season if not before next and why give up a young talent to boot that could at least fetch us a 2nd rounder by himself alone if not be a sweetener on another deal . The Cavs are in a far more desperate position than we are in no need to cave .
If we do not hold firm on making sure we get a better deal then we as a franchise will always get the worst of all deals and offers will always be that of teams trying to take advantage of us .

No need for us to add to add Malachi in this deal unless it is him going to another team via another trade . The player we are offering has far more value around the NBA than the players being offered to us . Frye is good and the best of the 2 rumored to us but we will not be keeping him if we get him . He would likely be bought out & sign with another team .

Getting a 1st by adding Malachi is not rushing to please Hill.... I view it as an opportunity to redistribute talent on the roster.

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[dozencousins]

Its a good deal now IMO. That pick is more valuable today than it was on Monday. If Malachi is the difference between a 2nd in the 50's and a 1st anywhere from 18-26 then I'm game. Throw him in.

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I get what your saying but no need to settle . I say if they only offer us a 2nd rounder which they have tried I say we pass . If they offer us their 1st but demand malachi again I say we pass there to . Their is no need for us to rush and take a bad deal and rid us a young talent just to please Hill . The deal for them to get hill and us get the scrubs we would be getting considering we would have no plan on keeping any of past the remainder of this season at best . We should not have to sweeten any pot . Hill would have no problem being traded to another team this season if not before next and why give up a young talent to boot that could at least fetch us a 2nd rounder by himself alone if not be a sweetener on another deal . The Cavs are in a far more desperate position than we are in no need to cave .
If we do not hold firm on making sure we get a better deal then we as a franchise will always get the worst of all deals and offers will always be that of teams trying to take advantage of us .

No need for us to add to add Malachi in this deal unless it is him going to another team via another trade . The player we are offering has far more value around the NBA than the players being offered to us . Frye is good and the best of the 2 rumored to us but we will not be keeping him if we get him . He would likely be bought out & sign with another team .

Getting a 1st by adding Malachi is not rushing to please Hill.... I view it as an opportunity to redistribute talent on the roster.

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Again we can get the first without adding Malachi . Hence my point .

[City of Trees]

I get what your saying but no need to settle . I say if they only offer us a 2nd rounder which they have tried I say we pass . If they offer us their 1st but demand malachi again I say we pass there to . Their is no need for us to rush and take a bad deal and rid us a young talent just to please Hill . The deal for them to get hill and us get the scrubs we would be getting considering we would have no plan on keeping any of past the remainder of this season at best . We should not have to sweeten any pot . Hill would have no problem being traded to another team this season if not before next and why give up a young talent to boot that could at least fetch us a 2nd rounder by himself alone if not be a sweetener on another deal . The Cavs are in a far more desperate position than we are in no need to cave .
If we do not hold firm on making sure we get a better deal then we as a franchise will always get the worst of all deals and offers will always be that of teams trying to take advantage of us .

No need for us to add to add Malachi in this deal unless it is him going to another team via another trade . The player we are offering has far more value around the NBA than the players being offered to us . Frye is good and the best of the 2 rumored to us but we will not be keeping him if we get him . He would likely be bought out & sign with another team .

Getting a 1st by adding Malachi is not rushing to please Hill.... I view it as an opportunity to redistribute talent on the roster.

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Again we can get the first without adding Malachi . Hence my point .

If the Cavs change their minds and go that route then fine. But I doubt that happens.

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[dozencousins]

Getting a 1st by adding Malachi is not rushing to please Hill.... I view it as an opportunity to redistribute talent on the roster.

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Again we can get the first without adding Malachi . Hence my point .

If the Cavs change their minds and go that route then fine. But I doubt that happens.

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It's not about them changing their minds . Malachi's name has been tossed around however not once has or was he in any original deal that the 2 teams were coming close to before & his name has not been brought up since so far .
So it is not about Clevland changing their minds .

[City of Trees]

Again we can get the first without adding Malachi . Hence my point .

If the Cavs change their minds and go that route then fine. But I doubt that happens.

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It's not about them changing their minds . Malachi's name has been tossed around however not once has or was he in any original deal that the 2 teams were coming close to before & his name has not been brought up since so far .
So it is not about Clevland changing their minds .

Its my understanding from multiple reports that 1: the Cavs never included their 1st in any Hill trade talks, and 2: Cavs did not move forward when they got word Hill wanted to keep his guaranteed money.

So to go from there to a point where Hill nets the Cavs 1st would mean Cleveland changed their minds opting to not only pay Hill but give up more compensation for him.

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[dozencousins]

If the Cavs change their minds and go that route then fine. But I doubt that happens.

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It's not about them changing their minds . Malachi's name has been tossed around however not once has or was he in any original deal that the 2 teams were coming close to before & his name has not been brought up since so far .
So it is not about Clevland changing their minds .

Its my understanding from multiple reports that 1: the Cavs never included their 1st in any Hill trade talks, and 2: Cavs did not move forward when they got word Hill wanted to keep his guaranteed money.

So to go from there to a point where Hill nets the Cavs 1st would mean Cleveland changed their minds opting to not only pay Hill but give up more compensation for him.

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Yah they hadn't offered a 1st before correct & yes Cavs don't want to guarantee the money . All that said that doesn't mean we would not get a first & without giving them anything more . And we should not give them more unless they give us even more back .

[City of Trees]

It's not about them changing their minds . Malachi's name has been tossed around however not once has or was he in any original deal that the 2 teams were coming close to before & his name has not been brought up since so far .
So it is not about Clevland changing their minds .

Its my understanding from multiple reports that 1: the Cavs never included their 1st in any Hill trade talks, and 2: Cavs did not move forward when they got word Hill wanted to keep his guaranteed money.

So to go from there to a point where Hill nets the Cavs 1st would mean Cleveland changed their minds opting to not only pay Hill but give up more compensation for him.

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Yah they hadn't offered a 1st before correct & yes Cavs don't want to guarantee the money . All that said that doesn't mean we would not get a first & without giving them anything more . And we should not give them more unless they give us even more back .

Maybe recent events will force the Cavs hand to do the deal? No one knows at this point.

IMO cap relief and a 1st for Hill/Richardson is fair value.

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[dozencousins]

Its my understanding from multiple reports that 1: the Cavs never included their 1st in any Hill trade talks, and 2: Cavs did not move forward when they got word Hill wanted to keep his guaranteed money.

So to go from there to a point where Hill nets the Cavs 1st would mean Cleveland changed their minds opting to not only pay Hill but give up more compensation for him.

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Yah they hadn't offered a 1st before correct & yes Cavs don't want to guarantee the money . All that said that doesn't mean we would not get a first & without giving them anything more . And we should not give them more unless they give us even more back .

Maybe recent events will force the Cavs hand to do the deal? No one knows at this point.

IMO cap relief and a 1st for Hill/Richardson is fair value.

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I disagree as far as adding Malachi .
Cap relief for what ? Their are no realistic free agents to be had that are much better than Hill in free agency . So unless having cap space is to be used via trade for a player then cap space won't be to relevant for next season

[City of Trees]

Yah they hadn't offered a 1st before correct & yes Cavs don't want to guarantee the money . All that said that doesn't mean we would not get a first & without giving them anything more . And we should not give them more unless they give us even more back .

Maybe recent events will force the Cavs hand to do the deal? No one knows at this point.

IMO cap relief and a 1st for Hill/Richardson is fair value.

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I disagree as far as adding Malachi .
Cap relief for what ? Their are no realistic free agents to be had that are much better than Hill in free agency . So unless having cap space is to be used via trade for a player then cap space won't be to relevant for next season

More than half the teams in the league will be over or at the lux tax next season. Yes cap relief is important. As is that 1st.

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[benchmobbin02]

Maybe recent events will force the Cavs hand to do the deal? No one knows at this point.

IMO cap relief and a 1st for Hill/Richardson is fair value.

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I disagree as far as adding Malachi .
Cap relief for what ? Their are no realistic free agents to be had that are much better than Hill in free agency . So unless having cap space is to be used via trade for a player then cap space won't be to relevant for next season

More than half the teams in the league will be over or at the lux tax next season. Yes cap relief is important. As is that 1st.

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Exactly! Also the cap relief could be used to keep us in a good position to make any move that comes on the horizon.

[Call Me Geoff]

If the Kings can get a first and dump Hill at the cost of adding Malachi they should have done it yesterday. Hill is a bad fit on this team. He was brought in to lead the young guys. He hasn’t done that and he has a bad attitude to boot. He’s a bad fit and we can certainly find a better fit this Summer with Hill’s money. Malachi won’t play here. He’s not an NBA player and the Kings have Bogdan, Buddy and Temple all blocking him. Not to mention the ability to play Fox and Frank together.

Cavs would take themselves deeper into the tax taking on Hill. So yeah, to give up a 1st and take on more tax money would be a tough pill for them to swallow.

[Call Me Geoff]

I was watching that too.

Would you do Hill and Richardson for Shumpert and Fyre and the Clev 1st?

I’m sure this is the deal the Kings are pushing for. I don’t think the Cavs view Hill and his contract worthy of their 1st. If they’re going after DeAndre and the Brooklyn pick isn’t in play their own 1st would be the only asset that gets them close to DeAndre.

Their 1st might not be that great TBH unless someone falls for no reason. The back half of the 20's is a bit like last year where deep into the 2nd round it's all about what team likes whom. I don't see any consensus picks at the moment so like with the Kings drafting Mason, a 2nd rounder might have more value in the end.

The sticking point sounded like Hill not taking a buyout which I think is stupid on Clevelands part. That's going to break off a deal when you are trying to win a ring? Ridiculous if true and the eventual falloff of the Cavs this season is well deserved.

They're first shouldn't even begin to get them close to Jordan. If Doc traded him for that on the heels of that Griffin deal then he's toast.

The Cavs first and taking on a big money Clipper deal (Galinari) should be enough to get Jordan. Jerry West is emptying the cupboards in LA and stocking it with assets and cap room. Doc is as good as gone and so is Jordan. Look at the return Blake got. The market for a rental of Jordan won’t be that strong, certainly not lotto pick worthy.

[dozencousins]

Maybe recent events will force the Cavs hand to do the deal? No one knows at this point.

IMO cap relief and a 1st for Hill/Richardson is fair value.

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I disagree as far as adding Malachi .
Cap relief for what ? Their are no realistic free agents to be had that are much better than Hill in free agency . So unless having cap space is to be used via trade for a player then cap space won't be to relevant for next season

More than half the teams in the league will be over or at the lux tax next season. Yes cap relief is important. As is that 1st.

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You guys don't get it . If there is nobody better to be had . Then saving Hills cap doesn't mean much . If you are required to have X amount of dollars spent via pay roll and you trade hill just to dump salary . Who do you get ? Now you get another player or two what do you have to pay them ? Is it no more than an average player at longer contracts that are over priced ?

You are not thinking about that . If we had a better chance by having the cap or getting Durant or just to make up a few names B.Beal , K.Thompson , K.Anthony Towns etc. then hell yes dump the salary . Who is out their next season ? Cousins we won't get him and he is hurt , I.Thomas again hurt and not nearly the player he was a year ago. L.JAMES , DURANT won't happen . Who is their as a free agent that we will get for that money that is better than Hill etc. without over paying and taking on a worse contract ? You are not understanding nor is 1 or 2 others based on responses .

I am not saying not to trade Hill but it better make real sense and it has to be worth it .

You also need to factor We have a lot of younger players so unless their is a mega star that becomes available those youngs mostly will stay on our team and start to get the lions share of the minutes outside of if we keep Temple and he will be the only vet that will get the lions share so to speak . When you get a free agent with the dollars you would save from dumping Hill you best get a starter whom will be more than worth it etc.
Other than that you better have cap for 1 of 2 reasons . 1 via trade were you can take on more salary from another team to either A) get that star player or B) Absorb a bad 1 year remaining contract for the sake of gaining a future #1 pick for doing so .

My point here is dumping Hill is fine but if you do it then know you have to have a minimum pay roll so with those savings who are you going to get that is better and you have a real chance of getting . Winning 20 games or so will not attract many if any big named free agents .

You tell me whom will we get as anybody whom you can name via free agent next season I can argue that Hill is either the better player or the contract you have for Hill now would be more attractive than the contract you will have to pay that player . Again what realistic player ? Cap is nice to have if you can get something better or more valuable but when there is nothing there and you must spend it then you are getting something back worse for the same or more money .

[City of Trees]

You guys don't get it .

You are not understanding .

Riiiiight.


No I understand just fine.

Next season cap space is important on the trade front. Teams will want to get under the luxury tax. Taking more money back than you send out makes you an attractive trade partner for those teams.. Especially with Koufos, Temple, and Randolph all on expiring deals.




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[dozencousins]

You guys don't get it .

You are not understanding .

Riiiiight.


No I understand just fine.

Next season cap space is important on the trade front. Teams will want to get under the luxury tax. Taking more money back than you send out makes you an attractive trade partner for those teams.. Especially with Koufos, Temple, and Randolph all on expiring deals.




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Koufas is on a player option in which he will.opt out of . So you get nothing their .
Temple will either be traded or we will resign him for a lot more $$$$$
Z BO will likely be traded this season . If not then traded next season.

I get the free up salary to take on others via trade and that makes sense as I had already pointed out many of times .
You were saying before as others were more so in terms of freeing up cap for free agency and if that is your logic then I am saying their is nobody whom we have any realistic chance of getting that would be as good of a player as Hill is based on experience & health , position of need and in terms of value of contract . Anybody else we would sign would not be as good and the contract would be worse and for more years .

Also you point out our contracts of expirings 2 things about that .

1. By having those expirings can be a great thing for us to hold onto . Because the following year after next the free agent class will be far more loaded and we can then likely sign 1 or 2 players that can actually make a huge impact for our team and it's future .
2. If you do dump those experienced expirings whom are all still solid players then your return better still be well worth it by getting somehow a star player whom would likely be disgruntled and you have to hope he works out with us . Or you get a young vet with an expiring or pick in return .

Anything less than that of what I pointed out would not justify a trade for those expirings or to dump a salary .

Otherwise the free agent class year after this will be one of the most loaded in many years . If we can just show the nba next season that we are at least a boarderline realistic play off contender or make the playoffs we will be far more of an attractive free agent destination .

Next season will be a make or break year for us . For our Coach , GM , etc. and the class of overall free agents the year after next will be faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than next seasons .

[City of Trees]

You guys don't get it .

You are not understanding .

Riiiiight.


No I understand just fine.

Next season cap space is important on the trade front. Teams will want to get under the luxury tax. Taking more money back than you send out makes you an attractive trade partner for those teams.. Especially with Koufos, Temple, and Randolph all on expiring deals.




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I get the free up salary to take on others via trade and that makes sense

Exactly. Welcome aboard.

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[kalenclayton]

Koufas is on a player option in which he will.opt out of . So you get nothing their .
Temple will either be traded or we will resign him for a lot more $$$$$
Z BO will likely be traded this season . If not then traded next season.

Do you really think Koufos is opting out? He isn't getting more than $8million next season. Cap space is pretty sparse for the 2018 offseason and the C market is dry imo. Sure, I think Koufos deserves more than $8million but I just don't think he will get it. He will be better off waiting for 2019 when there is more money out there. Heck, the Kings might be on the up&up at that time. That might mean he could secure more money long term with the Kings.

I think Temple is either traded or he stays and signs a long contract a less $ per year. I don't see him getting a lucrative contract at his age.

[codydaze]

Woj just said on NBA countdown the Cavs are still looking at DeAndre Jordan and George Hill. Brooklyn pick is off the table but the Cavs 1st is in play.

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How in the world do they think they can pull off getting both those guys without giving up the BKN pick. They barely have enough outside of that pick to get just one of those guys.