BoogieTime wrote:The Randolph contract was bad. Imagine if they didn’t have his 12 mil on the books. You don’t give him that second year
kingjawn100 wrote:One interesting note...Kings insider James Ham thinks it's highly unlikely that this year's 2nd round pick will be on our roster. More than likely we trade that pick. Maybe it helps us move up this year, maybe it nets us another 2019 2nd rounder with hopes we can trade both 2nds to get into the end of the 2019 1st round. They could also draft and stash this year (Okobo?).
Point being that assuming we don't blow up the team this summer we don't really have roster space for our second rounder and we don't really need another young player on the team.
kingjawn100 wrote:One interesting note...Kings insider James Ham thinks it's highly unlikely that this year's 2nd round pick will be on our roster. More than likely we trade that pick. Maybe it helps us move up this year, maybe it nets us another 2019 2nd rounder with hopes we can trade both 2nds to get into the end of the 2019 1st round. They could also draft and stash this year (Okobo?).
Point being that assuming we don't blow up the team this summer we don't really have roster space for our second rounder and we don't really need another young player on the team.
kingjawn100 wrote:So not including Nigel i count 9 guaranteed contracts + 3 likely opt-ins + 1st round pick = 13 players. You have to assume we are signing at minimum 2 vets in the offseason which would get us to 15 not including Hayes, Cooley and Jakarr. I just don't see room for a 2nd rounder .
A point guard stash like Okobo could be intruiging since our point guard position is relatively unsettled. Next year seems like a year where Frank needs to prove he's an NBA caliber player and De'aaron needs to prove he's an NBA caliber starter. Having a stash PG waiting in the wings for 2019 wouldn't be the worst thing.
benchmobbin02 wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:So not including Nigel i count 9 guaranteed contracts + 3 likely opt-ins + 1st round pick = 13 players. You have to assume we are signing at minimum 2 vets in the offseason which would get us to 15 not including Hayes, Cooley and Jakarr. I just don't see room for a 2nd rounder .
A point guard stash like Okobo could be intruiging since our point guard position is relatively unsettled. Next year seems like a year where Frank needs to prove he's an NBA caliber player and De'aaron needs to prove he's an NBA caliber starter. Having a stash PG waiting in the wings for 2019 wouldn't be the worst thing.
But seeing how well Hayes has played in a limited time with the team I would say he is kept on next year, especially for thr low cap hit he brings of 1.3 mil. That takes us back to 14.
kingjawn100 wrote:benchmobbin02 wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:So not including Nigel i count 9 guaranteed contracts + 3 likely opt-ins + 1st round pick = 13 players. You have to assume we are signing at minimum 2 vets in the offseason which would get us to 15 not including Hayes, Cooley and Jakarr. I just don't see room for a 2nd rounder .
A point guard stash like Okobo could be intruiging since our point guard position is relatively unsettled. Next year seems like a year where Frank needs to prove he's an NBA caliber player and De'aaron needs to prove he's an NBA caliber starter. Having a stash PG waiting in the wings for 2019 wouldn't be the worst thing.
But seeing how well Hayes has played in a limited time with the team I would say he is kept on next year, especially for thr low cap hit he brings of 1.3 mil. That takes us back to 14.
But you've gotta remember...Sacramento has a lot of money to spend and id say there's a 99% chance they sign at minimum 2 guys in free agency (when's the last time any team has added 1 or 0 players via free agency?)
Maybe Nigel would be on a 2-way contract but he didn't show me a whole lot to earn anything more than maybe a 2-way contract. He played ok on defense vs 3 tanking teams but the sad thing is that seems to be enough for kings fans to get excited about. 3 for 17 shooting in three games is just awful.
benchmobbin02 wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:benchmobbin02 wrote:
But seeing how well Hayes has played in a limited time with the team I would say he is kept on next year, especially for thr low cap hit he brings of 1.3 mil. That takes us back to 14.
But you've gotta remember...Sacramento has a lot of money to spend and id say there's a 99% chance they sign at minimum 2 guys in free agency (when's the last time any team has added 1 or 0 players via free agency?)
Maybe Nigel would be on a 2-way contract but he didn't show me a whole lot to earn anything more than maybe a 2-way contract. He played ok on defense vs 3 tanking teams but the sad thing is that seems to be enough for kings fans to get excited about. 3 for 17 shooting in three games is just awful.
He showed enough for them to pick up the small option on his deal.
I definitely disagree they have to sign more than one FA because we have a solid group that we wanna roll with and are developing in. I think the !st round pick and a select FA makes much more sense as the addition.
kingjawn100 wrote:benchmobbin02 wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:
But you've gotta remember...Sacramento has a lot of money to spend and id say there's a 99% chance they sign at minimum 2 guys in free agency (when's the last time any team has added 1 or 0 players via free agency?)
Maybe Nigel would be on a 2-way contract but he didn't show me a whole lot to earn anything more than maybe a 2-way contract. He played ok on defense vs 3 tanking teams but the sad thing is that seems to be enough for kings fans to get excited about. 3 for 17 shooting in three games is just awful.
He showed enough for them to pick up the small option on his deal.
I definitely disagree they have to sign more than one FA because we have a solid group that we wanna roll with and are developing in. I think the !st round pick and a select FA makes much more sense as the addition.
i guess i just don't see this current roster ever becoming a deep playoff run type of team.
Assuming everyone opts in and we draft a big, these are the additions i see us making
-STARTING SF (At this point Jackson would look much better as a backup than starter)
-BACKUP PG (this could be a guy to push Mason for primary backup minutes or just another body for depth)
-Potentially 1 more
While it's hard as fans to see how an organization would lose confidence in a young player after just 1 year, we have highly paid coaches who see these guys all year in games and practices who should be able to determine what type of players they'll turn into. You can't just waste year after year hoping a player will develop. Our guys should know right now IF they'll develop.
kingjawn100 wrote:Enes Kanter said to he opting out. Defensively we couldn’t really survive with him and Willie on the floor together but anyone interested in maxing Kanter if we move Willie?
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I'm not entirely sure Koufos & Temple opt in. I see Temple more likely to opt in because the relationship he has with our young guys. I follow most of them on Insta and he seems to really like being a mentor and a good locker room leader.
Koufos however is 29 going on 40. I could see him decide to opt out and head somewhere to truly win. Hes made enough money to support his lifestyle forever. Hes also played on some good teams in his days, maybe he opts out and moves 2 hours away to the bay. Koufos would definitely be an upgrade to Zaza and the Warriors could do worse.
Maybe we use that 2nd to move on from Randolph or Shumps last year?
codydaze wrote:kingjawn100 wrote:Enes Kanter said to he opting out. Defensively we couldn’t really survive with him and Willie on the floor together but anyone interested in maxing Kanter if we move Willie?
Absolutely not.
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I'm not entirely sure Koufos & Temple opt in. I see Temple more likely to opt in because the relationship he has with our young guys. I follow most of them on Insta and he seems to really like being a mentor and a good locker room leader.
Koufos however is 29 going on 40. I could see him decide to opt out and head somewhere to truly win. Hes made enough money to support his lifestyle forever. Hes also played on some good teams in his days, maybe he opts out and moves 2 hours away to the bay. Koufos would definitely be an upgrade to Zaza and the Warriors could do worse.
Maybe we use that 2nd to move on from Randolph or Shumps last year?
blind prophet wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:I'm not entirely sure Koufos & Temple opt in. I see Temple more likely to opt in because the relationship he has with our young guys. I follow most of them on Insta and he seems to really like being a mentor and a good locker room leader.
Koufos however is 29 going on 40. I could see him decide to opt out and head somewhere to truly win. Hes made enough money to support his lifestyle forever. Hes also played on some good teams in his days, maybe he opts out and moves 2 hours away to the bay. Koufos would definitely be an upgrade to Zaza and the Warriors could do worse.
Maybe we use that 2nd to move on from Randolph or Shumps last year?
If only outsourcing salary was that cheap!
No takers for that second for either one.
But it is possible that Shump & Randolph can take us a bit higher at least while they are here. Sure I'd rather not have them on that salary, but without the pick may as well press.