The TRADE Thread 2021

[Sactowndog]

What kind of value do you guys have for Bagley at the moment? I know he's been injury plagued so far but I like what I've seen to where I'd love to put him next to KAT, but unsure of what type of value he has from your fan base and if the Wolves have the requisite pieces to make a deal work.

I think Barnes would be a great fit on the T-Wolves. If you wanted to go small with Edwards, Rubio, Russell and/or Beasley, Barnes could play 4 for you. If you wanted to go big, Barnes can swing to the 3. He doesn’t require the ball to be happy and would fit as your 3-4th best player.

I’m not sure what the right value would be, but it is a trade that makes a lot of sense.

[City of Trees]

Bagley for Thybulle


As is Bagley is a rim running big who will provide scoring and rebounding off the bench in Philly. Potential is there for growth.

Kings get another wing who can play with Fox/Haliburton

[kb02]

Bagley for Thybulle


As is Bagley is a rim running big who will provide scoring and rebounding off the bench in Philly. Potential is there for growth.

Kings get another wing who can play with Fox/Haliburton

Forget Thybulle. Lu Dort.

[City of Trees]

Bagley for Thybulle


As is Bagley is a rim running big who will provide scoring and rebounding off the bench in Philly. Potential is there for growth.

Kings get another wing who can play with Fox/Haliburton

Forget Thybulle. Lu Dort.

Arguably the best bang-for-your-buck contract in the NBA on a team looking to use cap space to gain assets. I don't see Presti trading Dort for Bagley unless he see's obtainable potential.

[kb02]

Bagley for Thybulle


As is Bagley is a rim running big who will provide scoring and rebounding off the bench in Philly. Potential is there for growth.

Kings get another wing who can play with Fox/Haliburton

Forget Thybulle. Lu Dort.

Arguably the best bang-for-your-buck contract in the NBA on a team looking to use cap space to gain assets. I don't see Presti trading Dort for Bagley unless he see's obtainable potential.

Hield + Bags for Dort + Horford. Filler on either side to make it work. I'm not quite ready to punt Bags for that, but I may in a month.

I'd rather Hield + Holmes + two seconds for Dort + Horford. Don't think OKC says yes though.

Dort + Fox + Hali = sixth seed this year. Horford, though I hate that contract, can do what the Kings are asking their bigs to do (facilitate/stretch on offense; quarterback on defense).

[City of Trees]

Forget Thybulle. Lu Dort.

Arguably the best bang-for-your-buck contract in the NBA on a team looking to use cap space to gain assets. I don't see Presti trading Dort for Bagley unless he see's obtainable potential.

Hield + Bags for Dort + Horford. Filler on either side to make it work. I'm not quite ready to punt Bags for that, but I may in a month.

I'd rather Hield + Holmes + two seconds for Dort + Horford. Don't think OKC says yes though.

Dort + Fox + Hali = sixth seed this year. Horford, though I hate that contract, can do what the Kings are asking their bigs to do (facilitate/stretch on offense; quarterback on defense).

You have a good eye Dort is an excellent young player. Not thrilled with his height but he makes up for it with instincts.

[kb02]

Arguably the best bang-for-your-buck contract in the NBA on a team looking to use cap space to gain assets. I don't see Presti trading Dort for Bagley unless he see's obtainable potential.

Hield + Bags for Dort + Horford. Filler on either side to make it work. I'm not quite ready to punt Bags for that, but I may in a month.

I'd rather Hield + Holmes + two seconds for Dort + Horford. Don't think OKC says yes though.

Dort + Fox + Hali = sixth seed this year. Horford, though I hate that contract, can do what the Kings are asking their bigs to do (facilitate/stretch on offense; quarterback on defense).

You have a good eye Dort is an excellent young player. Not thrilled with his height but he makes up for it with instincts.

Thanks. I think Dort can guard 1 through 3. Pretty much all of the threes, except the KD/MPJ types. The Kawahi/Lebron types, he'll be able to guard them (because of his build and excellent feet for his size). His three is coming around and he has enough handles, and body control to get to the hoop and score. Should be a three level scorer eventually. Would very much love him on the Kings.

[BoogieTime]

Hield + Bags for Dort + Horford. Filler on either side to make it work. I'm not quite ready to punt Bags for that, but I may in a month.

I'd rather Hield + Holmes + two seconds for Dort + Horford. Don't think OKC says yes though.

Dort + Fox + Hali = sixth seed this year. Horford, though I hate that contract, can do what the Kings are asking their bigs to do (facilitate/stretch on offense; quarterback on defense).

You have a good eye Dort is an excellent young player. Not thrilled with his height but he makes up for it with instincts.

Thanks. I think Dort can guard 1 through 3. Pretty much all of the threes, except the KD/MPJ types. The Kawahi/Lebron types, he'll be able to guard them (because of his build and excellent feet for his size). His three is coming around and he has enough handles, and body control to get to the hoop and score. Should be a three level scorer eventually. Would very much love him on the Kings.

You need to find those players prior to breaking out

His value to to high to be reasonably had at this point

[TheDominator273]

What about a deal based around Culver for Bagley?

I feel like Culver would thrive defensively in this current scheme with his length. Depends on how you feel about his shot but he feels like a lower floor project to Bagley, and much easier to build around.

I believe Culver will become a very valuable two way player, but he won't ever be a star. He's made a noticeable jump body wise and has seemingly shaken off the free throw yips he had last year. Would be tough to let him go but I think the basis of that deal makes sense for both sides.

[kb02]

You have a good eye Dort is an excellent young player. Not thrilled with his height but he makes up for it with instincts.

Thanks. I think Dort can guard 1 through 3. Pretty much all of the threes, except the KD/MPJ types. The Kawahi/Lebron types, he'll be able to guard them (because of his build and excellent feet for his size). His three is coming around and he has enough handles, and body control to get to the hoop and score. Should be a three level scorer eventually. Would very much love him on the Kings.

You need to find those players prior to breaking out

His value to to high to be reasonably had at this point

Yea. Gotta give it to OKC. Great player development plus a front office and coaching staff that is on the same page. When they commit to a certain direction, they go all in. Bazely is beasting as well.

[kb02]

What about a deal based around Culver for Bagley?

I feel like Culver would thrive defensively in this current scheme with his length. Depends on how you feel about his shot but he feels like a lower floor project to Bagley, and much easier to build around.

I believe Culver will become a very valuable two way player, but he won't ever be a star. He's made a noticeable jump body wise and has seemingly shaken off the free throw yips he had last year. Would be tough to let him go but I think the basis of that deal makes sense for both sides.

I've watched a decent amount of Minny games this year, because of Edwards (who is on my fantasy team). Culver has put up solid numbers, but he hasn't jumped out at me. What am I missing?

I thought Okogie would be what Lu Dort is now. What happened to him? Dude has the build to play Dort type of defense.

[TheDominator273]

What about a deal based around Culver for Bagley?

I feel like Culver would thrive defensively in this current scheme with his length. Depends on how you feel about his shot but he feels like a lower floor project to Bagley, and much easier to build around.

I believe Culver will become a very valuable two way player, but he won't ever be a star. He's made a noticeable jump body wise and has seemingly shaken off the free throw yips he had last year. Would be tough to let him go but I think the basis of that deal makes sense for both sides.

I've watched a decent amount of Minny games this year, because of Edwards (who is on my fantasy team). Culver has put up solid numbers, but he hasn't jumped out at me. What am I missing?

I thought Okogie would be what Lu Dort is now. What happened to him? Dude has the build to play Dort type of defense.

The Wolves have a giant hole at PF due to the awful start by Juancho Hernangomez and to a lesser extent Jake Layman. Okogie and Culver have both seen time playing the 4 as a result, both in offensive and defensive roles which is clearly new to them.

The thing with Culver is he doesn't have a super flashy game, but he has quick hands and knocks a ton of balls free on defense, and the 10-15 lbs of muscle he added is helping him get to and finish at the rim better than his rookie year where the NBA size and speed overwhelmed him. His jumper form is also much improved, with far less of a hitch than he had previously. He doesn't have and probably won't have the shot creation or playmaking to be a top 2 option offensively, but can be a 3rd scorer mostly on timely cuts, transition buckets and spot up jumpers.

As far as Okogie he is a great point of attack defender, and by far the best the Wolves have. He has been out for a few games though with a hamstring injury. Prior to that though his job was to guard the opposing teams best offensive player when he was on the floor, guarding Blake Griffin in the opener and a lot of Donovan Mitchell in the second game prior to his injury.

[City of Trees]

I'd be okay with trading Bagley for Josh Okogie

[kb02]

I believe Culver will become a very valuable two way player, but he won't ever be a star. He's made a noticeable jump body wise and has seemingly shaken off the free throw yips he had last year. Would be tough to let him go but I think the basis of that deal makes sense for both sides.

I've watched a decent amount of Minny games this year, because of Edwards (who is on my fantasy team). Culver has put up solid numbers, but he hasn't jumped out at me. What am I missing?

I thought Okogie would be what Lu Dort is now. What happened to him? Dude has the build to play Dort type of defense.

The Wolves have a giant hole at PF due to the awful start by Juancho Hernangomez and to a lesser extent Jake Layman. Okogie and Culver have both seen time playing the 4 as a result, both in offensive and defensive roles which is clearly new to them.

The thing with Culver is he doesn't have a super flashy game, but he has quick hands and knocks a ton of balls free on defense, and the 10-15 lbs of muscle he added is helping him get to and finish at the rim better than his rookie year where the NBA size and speed overwhelmed him. His jumper form is also much improved, with far less of a hitch than he had previously. He doesn't have and probably won't have the shot creation or playmaking to be a top 2 option offensively, but can be a 3rd scorer mostly on timely cuts, transition buckets and spot up jumpers.

As far as Okogie he is a great point of attack defender, and by far the best the Wolves have. He has been out for a few games though with a hamstring injury. Prior to that though his job was to guard the opposing teams best offensive player when he was on the floor, guarding Blake Griffin in the opener and a lot of Donovan Mitchell in the second game prior to his injury.

Thanks for the scouting reports. Yea, I think there is more to Okogie's game than what he shown and I've always liked his on the ball defending. I do agree that Culver has a 3rd scoring option ceiling--the type of player that you love the more you see him, but hard to assess as an outside fan. That said, I don't know if Culver is a good fit for the Kings because Haliburton doesn't really have a 2nd scoring option type of game (he's more of a connector).

Ultimately, I wouldn't entertain a trade now, but can see Okogie/Culver for Bags as anchors for a trade later in this year depending on how things shake out for both teams.

Side note: I really like Edwards as a player. Power game. Plays mean. Bagley needs some of that meanness.

[MarxyLebronist]

I try not to get too hopped up on trade hypotheticals, and I know the Hield zealots will have a field day with this, but here's my one big score/reset idea:

Bagley, Hield, Parker to ORL for Gordon and Fournier.

If you don't know that Fournier is a huge Kings fan from BACK in the day, then let that be news to you. Gordon a Bay Area kid unfortunately, as is his agent, so you're sort of fending off the usual Warriors culture creep perhaps. But Gordon's solid and seems short for ORL. No knock on Buddy here at all. Just seems like a good fit all around, some guys get to go closer to home and hearts, and fresh starts for some guys who may just need that to really be their best for the next development of the careers in the league.

[kb02]

I try not to get too hopped up on trade hypotheticals, and I know the Hield zealots will have a field day with this, but here's my one big score/reset idea:

Bagley, Hield, Parker to ORL for Gordon and Fournier.

If you don't know that Fournier is a huge Kings fan from BACK in the day, then let that be news to you. Gordon a Bay Area kid unfortunately, as is his agent, so you're sort of fending off the usual Warriors culture creep perhaps. But Gordon's solid and seems short for ORL. No knock on Buddy here at all. Just seems like a good fit all around, some guys get to go closer to home and hearts, and fresh starts for some guys who may just need that to really be their best for the next development of the careers in the league.

Both Gordon and Fournier would make the Kings better from day one. That's undeniable. But if I were McNair, I'd target a young 3 and D.

[City of Trees]

I try not to get too hopped up on trade hypotheticals, and I know the Hield zealots will have a field day with this, but here's my one big score/reset idea:

Bagley, Hield, Parker to ORL for Gordon and Fournier.

If you don't know that Fournier is a huge Kings fan from BACK in the day, then let that be news to you. Gordon a Bay Area kid unfortunately, as is his agent, so you're sort of fending off the usual Warriors culture creep perhaps. But Gordon's solid and seems short for ORL. No knock on Buddy here at all. Just seems like a good fit all around, some guys get to go closer to home and hearts, and fresh starts for some guys who may just need that to really be their best for the next development of the careers in the league.

I have no interest in swapping Buddy for Fournier.

By no means do I actually believe the Kings are trading Bagley so soon but that doesn't stop me from having fun with potential deals.

Currently I'm good with trading Bagley for any of the following players:

Miles Bridges
Thybulle
Okogie
Lu Dort
Aaron Gordon

[MarxyLebronist]

You should.

[OhioKingsFan]

Miles Bridges would be the #1 target for me. I think he'd be a great fit in SAC. Explosive in transition, can shoot the 3, solid defender and rebounder, a great fit.

I could also see CHA still feeling like they have a need for a young big with potential and an ability to score in the post.

[LightTheBeam]

I try not to get too hopped up on trade hypotheticals, and I know the Hield zealots will have a field day with this, but here's my one big score/reset idea:

Bagley, Hield, Parker to ORL for Gordon and Fournier.

If you don't know that Fournier is a huge Kings fan from BACK in the day, then let that be news to you. Gordon a Bay Area kid unfortunately, as is his agent, so you're sort of fending off the usual Warriors culture creep perhaps. But Gordon's solid and seems short for ORL. No knock on Buddy here at all. Just seems like a good fit all around, some guys get to go closer to home and hearts, and fresh starts for some guys who may just need that to really be their best for the next development of the careers in the league.

I have no interest in swapping Buddy for Fournier.

By no means do I actually believe the Kings are trading Bagley so soon but that doesn't stop me from having fun with potential deals.

Currently I'm good with trading Bagley for any of the following players:

Miles Bridges
Thybulle
Okogie
Lu Dort
Aaron Gordon

I'm far more open to swapping Buddy for Fournier, then I am swapping Bagley for Okogie or Thybulle.

Fournier impresses me a lot more than Buddy does. I've long been the biggest Buddy stan. I still think hes going to have success in this league, but on the right team. Sacramento is not the right team. He needs a strong coach with players that will tell him exactly what to do... Think Lebron, CP3, Giannis, Harden.