Kings trade for Kevin Huerter

[CraftylikeaFox]

I don't mind it as a stand alone trade. I'm actually a fan of Huerter's and think he kind of got squeezed out in ATL. That being said though, overall I am not sure what this trade does for us to make us more competitive in the west.

[LightTheBeam]

So Malcolm Brogdon was just traded for less than Huerter.

Malcolm had a down 3pt shooting season, but for his career his on par with Huerter. He also does pretty much everything else better than Huerter (except health).

I understand you're on the ledge right now but that's not true. Indy got a 1st, a prospect, and a vet for Brogdon. ATL got two expirings and a 1st

Very generous to call Nesmith a prospect. Celtics fans wondered if they could dump him outright without attaching a 2nd this summer. Theis is looked at as bad salary.

I stand by what I said.

Also interesting to refer to Theis as a vet, but Holiday as an expiring. Holiday is more useful than Theis and on a much better deal.

[BoogieTime]

These acquisitions send the message that Fox and Davion wont be starting together, adding question marks there

[vtime]

not a huge fan. has he been improving defensively and can he play SF?

Yes, absolutely. He’s a long 6’7. He’s even played the 4 sparingly in some small lineups with the various injuries to Collins, Hunter, and previously Reddish.

[vtime]

So Malcolm Brogdon was just traded for less than Huerter.

Malcolm had a down 3pt shooting season, but for his career his on par with Huerter. He also does pretty much everything else better than Huerter (except health).

I understand you're on the ledge right now but that's not true. Indy got a 1st, a prospect, and a vet for Brogdon. ATL got two expirings and a 1st

Very generous to call Nesmith a prospect. Celtics fans wondered if they could dump him outright without attaching a 2nd this summer. Theis is looked at as bad salary.

I stand by what I said.

Also interesting to refer to Theis as a vet, but Holiday as an expiring. Holiday is more useful than Theis and on a much better deal.

Everything you said is erroneous opinion lol.

[codydaze]

These acquisitions send the message that Fox and Davion wont be starting together, adding question marks there

I very much prefer Davion coming off the bench. Unless we were to sign another point guard, there's no one to run the second unit.

[codydaze]

So Malcolm Brogdon was just traded for less than Huerter.

Malcolm had a down 3pt shooting season, but for his career his on par with Huerter. He also does pretty much everything else better than Huerter (except health).

I understand you're on the ledge right now but that's not true. Indy got a 1st, a prospect, and a vet for Brogdon. ATL got two expirings and a 1st

Very generous to call Nesmith a prospect. Celtics fans wondered if they could dump him outright without attaching a 2nd this summer. Theis is looked at as bad salary.

I stand by what I said.

Also interesting to refer to Theis as a vet, but Holiday as an expiring. Holiday is more useful than Theis and on a much better deal.

You have to factor in the motives for Indiana vs Atlanta too. Indiana is tanking and clearing playing time for their young guys vs Atlanta who is trying to make it back to the ECF and/or loading up on more assets to possibly make a move for Gobert.

[BoogieTime]

These acquisitions send the message that Fox and Davion wont be starting together, adding question marks there

I very much prefer Davion coming off the bench. Unless we were to sign another point guard, there's no one to run the second unit.

Thats fine for us fans to want, but he doesn't want to be a bench player and he may not be bench quality. Might set up a trade of one of the two

[LightTheBeam]

I understand you're on the ledge right now but that's not true. Indy got a 1st, a prospect, and a vet for Brogdon. ATL got two expirings and a 1st

Very generous to call Nesmith a prospect. Celtics fans wondered if they could dump him outright without attaching a 2nd this summer. Theis is looked at as bad salary.

I stand by what I said.

Also interesting to refer to Theis as a vet, but Holiday as an expiring. Holiday is more useful than Theis and on a much better deal.

You have to factor in the motives for Indiana vs Atlanta too. Indiana is tanking and clearing playing time for their young guys vs Atlanta who is trying to make it back to the ECF and/or loading up on more assets to possibly make a move for Gobert.

Sure. I understand that. This trade makes the Kings better today. I have no doubt about that. But was it a significant upgrade? I dont think so. Was it a risky all-in move? I don't think so. It was an average trade at best that improves us slightly but not enough to be a real threat. It was run of the mill safe and patient Monte. And sure we can trade these picks on draft day if we happen to still be in the lottery. But we can no longer put together a strong trade package for a true impact player using picks.

Maybe I'm delusional in thinking something bigger was coming. That Monte was going to go all in with this core and try to get another star around them. A Donovan Mitchell, or doing the Dejounte Murray trade, or waiting until the next difference maker was on the block and we went all in (Sabonis style).

I'm just so underwhelmed. We have zero forward depth which is the most important position in the league. I think we are headed to another 11th seed 30 something win season.

Sabonis/Holmes
Murray/Lyles
Barnes/
Huerter/Monk/Davis
Fox/Mitchell

This team will definitely be more exciting than last year. It's definitely better than last year. Far more watchable. Maybe Murray is a day 1 impact player, Fox takes a leap in consistency and proves to be an allstar, Sabonis does his thing and we improve around the edges. Maybe getting rid of Walton/Buddy/Bagley brings the locker room together and does more than I'm expecting.

I'm very hopeful that I'm proven wrong.

[vtime]

Sabonis 26
Fox 24
Mitchell 23
Huerter 23
Murray 22

Don’t look now but you have a promising young core that fits together and includes a 2 time all star. Huerter’s going to make a leap too. Trae dominated the ball.

[jeffjtk1234]

Very generous to call Nesmith a prospect. Celtics fans wondered if they could dump him outright without attaching a 2nd this summer. Theis is looked at as bad salary.

I stand by what I said.

Also interesting to refer to Theis as a vet, but Holiday as an expiring. Holiday is more useful than Theis and on a much better deal.

You have to factor in the motives for Indiana vs Atlanta too. Indiana is tanking and clearing playing time for their young guys vs Atlanta who is trying to make it back to the ECF and/or loading up on more assets to possibly make a move for Gobert.

Sure. I understand that. This trade makes the Kings better today. I have no doubt about that. But was it a significant upgrade? I dont think so. Was it a risky all-in move? I don't think so. It was an average trade at best that improves us slightly but not enough to be a real threat. It was run of the mill safe and patient Monte. And sure we can trade these picks on draft day if we happen to still be in the lottery. But we can no longer put together a strong trade package for a true impact player using picks.

Maybe I'm delusional in thinking something bigger was coming. That Monte was going to go all in with this core and try to get another star around them. A Donovan Mitchell, or doing the Dejounte Murray trade, or waiting until the next difference maker was on the block and we went all in (Sabonis style).

I'm just so underwhelmed. We have zero forward depth which is the most important position in the league. I think we are headed to another 11th seed 30 something win season.

Sabonis/Holmes
Murray/Lyles
Barnes/
Huerter/Monk/Davis
Fox/Mitchell

This team will definitely be more exciting than last year. It's definitely better than last year. Far more watchable. Maybe Murray is a day 1 impact player, Fox takes a leap in consistency and proves to be an allstar, Sabonis does his thing and we improve around the edges. Maybe getting rid of Walton/Buddy/Bagley brings the locker room together and does more than I'm expecting.

I'm very hopeful that I'm proven wrong.

Mean no offense I really don’t understand your takes here, the pick is locked up through 2024 as of right now. If we make the playoffs in 2024 it conveys and the deal is done. If they don’t then it means we are resetting and wouldn’t be dealing our future firsts regardless and they wouldn’t convey as we’d be a firm lottery team. I guess i don’t understand how we massively reduced flexibility when the pick (if everything goes well) conveys in 2024.


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[LightTheBeam]

Mean no offense I really don’t understand your takes here, the pick is locked up through 2024 as of right now. If we make the playoffs in 2024 it conveys and the deal is done. If they don’t then it means we are resetting and wouldn’t be dealing our future firsts regardless and they wouldn’t convey as we’d be a firm lottery team. I guess i don’t understand how we massively reduced flexibility when the pick (if everything goes well) conveys in 2024.


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It's simple really.

Lets say we wake up tomorrow and Donovan Mitchell (just an example) demands a trade out of Utah. We can no longer put together a Dejounte Murray style package to make a deal for a true all-star.

I would have preferred that this team just gave the Hawks a lightly protected 2023 1st (top 8?). That to me signals that we believe in Huerter enough that we are fine giving up pick #10-20 for him. But we want to allow ourselves to still be players if an all-star becomes available.

I hate the structure of the deal more than anything else.

[jeffjtk1234]

Mean no offense I really don’t understand your takes here, the pick is locked up through 2024 as of right now. If we make the playoffs in 2024 it conveys and the deal is done. If they don’t then it means we are resetting and wouldn’t be dealing our future firsts regardless and they wouldn’t convey as we’d be a firm lottery team. I guess i don’t understand how we massively reduced flexibility when the pick (if everything goes well) conveys in 2024.


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It's simple really.

Lets say we wake up tomorrow and Donovan Mitchell (just an example) demands a trade out of Utah. We can no longer put together a Dejounte Murray style package to make a deal for a true all-star.

I would have preferred that this team just gave the Hawks a lightly protected 2023 1st (top 8?). That to me signals that we believe in Huerter enough that we are fine giving up pick #10-20 for him. But we want to allow ourselves to still be players if an all-star becomes available.

I hate the structure of the deal more than anything else.

Mitchell would never come here though. Realistically Sabonis is a “Sacramento all star.” Guys like Mitchell who crave the spotlight aren’t coming to sac. I guess i just don’t agree on the structure being a major issue


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[LightTheBeam]

Mean no offense I really don’t understand your takes here, the pick is locked up through 2024 as of right now. If we make the playoffs in 2024 it conveys and the deal is done. If they don’t then it means we are resetting and wouldn’t be dealing our future firsts regardless and they wouldn’t convey as we’d be a firm lottery team. I guess i don’t understand how we massively reduced flexibility when the pick (if everything goes well) conveys in 2024.


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It's simple really.

Lets say we wake up tomorrow and Donovan Mitchell (just an example) demands a trade out of Utah. We can no longer put together a Dejounte Murray style package to make a deal for a true all-star.

I would have preferred that this team just gave the Hawks a lightly protected 2023 1st (top 8?). That to me signals that we believe in Huerter enough that we are fine giving up pick #10-20 for him. But we want to allow ourselves to still be players if an all-star becomes available.

I hate the structure of the deal more than anything else.

Mitchell would never come here though. Realistically Sabonis is a “Sacramento all star.” Guys like Mitchell who crave the spotlight aren’t coming to sac. I guess i just don’t agree on the structure being a major issue


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It doesn't really matter if he wants to come here? Richmond didn't, Webber didn't. But the Kings traded for them anyways.

And you see this is exactly what happens. Gobert just got traded. Now Mitchell getting traded isn't out of the question. But instead of waiting for that kind of move we just went for Huerter.

We can agree to disagree. Usually we see pretty eye to eye on wanting the Kings to improve. I just don't think this is the Sabonis sized risk that I wanted Monte to take.

[BoogieTime]

It's simple really.

Lets say we wake up tomorrow and Donovan Mitchell (just an example) demands a trade out of Utah. We can no longer put together a Dejounte Murray style package to make a deal for a true all-star.

I would have preferred that this team just gave the Hawks a lightly protected 2023 1st (top 8?). That to me signals that we believe in Huerter enough that we are fine giving up pick #10-20 for him. But we want to allow ourselves to still be players if an all-star becomes available.

I hate the structure of the deal more than anything else.

Mitchell would never come here though. Realistically Sabonis is a “Sacramento all star.” Guys like Mitchell who crave the spotlight aren’t coming to sac. I guess i just don’t agree on the structure being a major issue


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It doesn't really matter if he wants to come here? Richmond didn't, Webber didn't. But the Kings traded for them anyways.

And you see this is exactly what happens. Gobert just got traded. Now Mitchell getting traded isn't out of the question. But instead of waiting for that kind of move we just went for Huerter.

We can agree to disagree. Usually we see pretty eye to eye on wanting the Kings to improve. I just don't think this is the Sabonis sized risk that I wanted Monte to take.

I'm sure Monte knows what the Jazz' asking price for Mitchell was already.

[benchmobbin02]

Kevin Huerter is as average as they come.

I would have rather got Luke Kennard. Both suck at defense, but at least Kennard is an elite 3pt shooter.

At least Vlade had the balls to take some risks even if it never worked out.

Well if you're right about Huerter then it only took 2 seconds to get him because that first only conveys basically if we're a playoff team for the next four years.

Exactly. I do not love Huerter, but he can shoot and he started 60 games on a players off team. Personally I think Trae Young is a hard point guard to play with (he's really a shooting guard) . hopefully we can get him in to some spots where he can knock some shots down, give us some spacing and allow Fox to do his thing

Case and point that Atl got rid of there best shooter and brought in other PGs this week.

[benchmobbin02]

So Malcolm Brogdon was just traded for less than Huerter.

Malcolm had a down 3pt shooting season, but for his career his on par with Huerter. He also does pretty much everything else better than Huerter (except health).

I understand you're on the ledge right now but that's not true. Indy got a 1st, a prospect, and a vet for Brogdon. ATL got two expirings and a 1st

Very generous to call Nesmith a prospect. Celtics fans wondered if they could dump him outright without attaching a 2nd this summer. Theis is looked at as bad salary.

I stand by what I said.

Also interesting to refer to Theis as a vet, but Holiday as an expiring. Holiday is more useful than Theis and on a much better deal.

Theis is definitely more useful than Holiday.

[jeffjtk1234]

It's simple really.

Lets say we wake up tomorrow and Donovan Mitchell (just an example) demands a trade out of Utah. We can no longer put together a Dejounte Murray style package to make a deal for a true all-star.

I would have preferred that this team just gave the Hawks a lightly protected 2023 1st (top 8?). That to me signals that we believe in Huerter enough that we are fine giving up pick #10-20 for him. But we want to allow ourselves to still be players if an all-star becomes available.

I hate the structure of the deal more than anything else.

Mitchell would never come here though. Realistically Sabonis is a “Sacramento all star.” Guys like Mitchell who crave the spotlight aren’t coming to sac. I guess i just don’t agree on the structure being a major issue


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It doesn't really matter if he wants to come here? Richmond didn't, Webber didn't. But the Kings traded for them anyways.

And you see this is exactly what happens. Gobert just got traded. Now Mitchell getting traded isn't out of the question. But instead of waiting for that kind of move we just went for Huerter.

We can agree to disagree. Usually we see pretty eye to eye on wanting the Kings to improve. I just don't think this is the Sabonis sized risk that I wanted Monte to take.

This is a player empowerment era. If Mitchell didn’t want to be here he wouldn’t be dealt here.

If we make the playoffs within the next two years you won’t care about the pick flexibility imo.


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[BoogieTime]

Mitchell would never come here though. Realistically Sabonis is a “Sacramento all star.” Guys like Mitchell who crave the spotlight aren’t coming to sac. I guess i just don’t agree on the structure being a major issue


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It doesn't really matter if he wants to come here? Richmond didn't, Webber didn't. But the Kings traded for them anyways.

And you see this is exactly what happens. Gobert just got traded. Now Mitchell getting traded isn't out of the question. But instead of waiting for that kind of move we just went for Huerter.

We can agree to disagree. Usually we see pretty eye to eye on wanting the Kings to improve. I just don't think this is the Sabonis sized risk that I wanted Monte to take.

This is a player empowerment era. If Mitchell didn’t want to be here he wouldn’t be dealt here.

If we make the playoffs within the next two years you won’t care about the pick flexibility imo.


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Woj has said the Jazz want to build around Mitchell

I'm sure Monte combed the league for a star move given his position of not being extended. I think an intelligent GM would do that anyways

Since Monte's on his last legs the bet is now that the Kings will make the pick convey before a package like that could come into play, or they will have to rebuild again

IMO the team probably would have taken that chance if the price was right

[LightTheBeam]

I understand you're on the ledge right now but that's not true. Indy got a 1st, a prospect, and a vet for Brogdon. ATL got two expirings and a 1st

Very generous to call Nesmith a prospect. Celtics fans wondered if they could dump him outright without attaching a 2nd this summer. Theis is looked at as bad salary.

I stand by what I said.

Also interesting to refer to Theis as a vet, but Holiday as an expiring. Holiday is more useful than Theis and on a much better deal.

Theis is definitely more useful than Holiday.

I believe Theis is a bad contract that teams didn't want. Houston overpaid for him, and then immediately had buyers remorse and dumped him back to Boston for bad expiring contracts.

This feels like we are getting lost in the weeds. The 4 players who were traded are all irrelevant. Huerter brought back a Sac 1st, Brogdon brought back a Boston 1st.