2022-2023 Trade thread

[BoogieTime]

I'd be surprised, Holmes has to have negative value for sure by now

[blind prophet]

I'd be surprised, Holmes has to have negative value for sure by now

The last rumor was a 3 team trade for the Suns.

So may be a way to get some help with value if he goes to the third team.

[City of Trees]

Two blow outs in a row. There should be no reason to panic however I think both games highlight holes in the roster. Monte might pull the trigger on a deal soon.

[codydaze]

Tomorrow trade season officially starts with most guys who recently signed deals being eligible for trade. I don't know what the difference is but I think there are some guys who still can't be traded until January 15th (correct me if I'm wrong). Biggest holes: size/defense on both the wing and at the basket. I have hope Queta might become a decent rotation player at some point but last night showed he is completely outclassed on the floor at the moment (granted it was Embiid who is having quite possibly an MVP season but the point remains).

[Silver Man]

Tomorrow trade season officially starts with most guys who recently signed deals being eligible for trade. I don't know what the difference is but I think there are some guys who still can't be traded until January 15th (correct me if I'm wrong). Biggest holes: size/defense on both the wing and at the basket. I have hope Queta might become a decent rotation player at some point but last night showed he is completely outclassed on the floor at the moment (granted it was Embiid who is having quite possibly an MVP season but the point remains).

The January 15th guys are the new contract with a bird or early bird causes the teams salary to exceed salary cap and 1st year salary is more than 120% of that players prior season contract then they can't be traded January 15th.

[LightTheBeam]

I still wouldn't rush to make a deal unless its a no brainer Lyles/Davis or Barnes upgrade.

The last 2 games were bad. NY was game plan, they were punching us in the mouth and without Fox the team just continued to jack up bad 3s. NY quickly went ahead. In other games we have fought back, but that isn't going to happen every game. Especially with Fox out and Monk/Huerter off.

Last night I'll admit, I turned it off by halftime. However the first half was disgusting. To me it was more a lack of respect for Sac than anything. Brothers completely killed the game within the first 7 minutes. Philly had 17 free throw attempts with like half the 2nd remaining. Pretty hard to get any rhythm when the refs are sucking it out.

Coaching needs some work when Fox/Sabonis aren't on the floor. Huerter/Monk/Mitchell/Barnes/Davis need to attack instead of settling for bad off the dribble 3s.

If you can get Crowder for Holmes + 2nds and then play one of Lyles/Davis based on gameplan thats fine. But the biggest need is Fox, Huerter, Monk to stop slumping.

[City of Trees]

Smitty breaks down salary matching for tax paying and non tax paying teams, trade rules, who has no trade clauses and more. Good read if you like to participate on the T&T board, or just enjoy trade ideas.

https://www.spotrac.com/spots/nba-trade-rules-to-know-as-trade-season-opens-1700/

[City of Trees]

Jae Crowder is near the top of my realistic trade targets.

Also, I think I'm onboard with a Holmes for Plumlee swap. It could be a win-win trade for both teams.

[City of Trees]

Ok here is my trade idea
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Sac trades: Holmes, Lyles, Len, two 2nd's

Sac receives: Crowder, Plumlee
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Phx trades: Crowder, top 55 2nd

Phx receives: Lyles, Len, Sac 2nd, Cha cash
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Cha trades: Plumlee, cash

Cha receives: Holmes, Sac 2nd, top 55 Phx 2nd


Kings cut long-term salary for bench players that fill roster weaknesses.

Phx adds size and shooting down low

Cha gets a big who's a better fit

[LightTheBeam]

Ok here is my trade idea
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Sac trades: Holmes, Lyles, Len, two 2nd's

Sac receives: Crowder, Plumlee
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Phx trades: Crowder, top 55 2nd

Phx receives: Lyles, Len, Sac 2nd, Cha cash
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Cha trades: Plumlee, cash

Cha receives: Holmes, Sac 2nd, top 55 Phx 2nd


Kings cut long-term salary for bench players that fill roster weaknesses.

Phx adds size and shooting down low

Cha gets a big who's a better fit

I was thinking about a Plumlee for Holmes swap watching the game last night.

Holmes is strange. He really did start playing bad pre-deadline last year. However he had the court case and eye pokes going on as well. But Lamelo can unleash what Hali did in him. And you saw the Hornets having success using Plumlee that way, Holmes could be a big upgrade there. Washington is big enough defensively to help cover Holmes lack of size. But the Hornets would be a fast, up-tempo exciting team.

Plumlee meanwhile is a homeless mans Sabonis. He's always been a good passing big. I think it allows Sac to continue running the offense the same way with or without Sabonis on the floor.

The Crowder/Lyles 2nd swap is nice for Sac. Lyles could see minutes in PHX and spread the floor. Not sure if they can do better than this, they may ask for TD instead of Len. And I don't want to mess too much with the chemistry of the squad.

As Is sign me up for this deal.

Fox - Huerter - Barnes - Murray - Sabonis
Mitchell - Monk - TD - Crowder - Plumlee

[LightTheBeam]

Kyle Kuzma is reportedly on the block.

He's an expiring and likely going to look towards a big market. Still, with the Huerter trade it really seems unlikely the Kings could grab this kind of an impact player. He would be a great 3rd forward for this team.

[BoogieTime]

Kyle Kuzma is reportedly on the block.

He's an expiring and likely going to look towards a big market. Still, with the Huerter trade it really seems unlikely the Kings could grab this kind of an impact player. He would be a great 3rd forward for this team.

Value wise it would be Mitchell. Wouldnt trade a first or anything more for an expiring like that. If management sees Keegan playing the three, which is another matter

Not sure Kuzma is defensively it, and not sure he's quite the shooter, but its interesting if word is true that we like him

[LightTheBeam]

Kyle Kuzma is reportedly on the block.

He's an expiring and likely going to look towards a big market. Still, with the Huerter trade it really seems unlikely the Kings could grab this kind of an impact player. He would be a great 3rd forward for this team.

Value wise it would be Mitchell. Wouldnt trade a first or anything more for an expiring like that. If management sees Keegan playing the three, which is another matter

Not sure Kuzma is defensively it, and not sure he's quite the shooter, but its interesting if word is true that we like him

He's an athletic physical forward. We saw what he did to Barnes/Murray the other night just out working them. He's not a shooter exactly but the last 3 years he's been around 35% on good volume which is passable. He's not a defender either, but Brown has had this team playing okay defense lately, I think hes more capable than either of our current forwards if he was to buy in.

The biggest issue is just his contract. Unlikely he would resign here.

[OxAndFox]

Who is Richaun Holmes on other teams? Players that simply aren't getting burn for whatever reason. This could be due to their role being made redundant, or any other reason.

Edit: I am going to go through team by team and look at this info (MPG wise). Just thought if someone has seen something off the top of their head.

Like word is Thybulle has asked out in Philly. His shooting doesn't fit though.

[OxAndFox]

Ok. So below are guys that have had minutes dropped or just out of role or both. I don't think the top teams are going to mess with their depth too much so I have tried to avoid them a little. Who would you add etc?

In order of current standings
West:
Denver: No
New Orleans: Graham, Hayes, Hernangomez
Memphis: No
Clippers: Covington, Coffey
Phoenix: Crowder (obvious)
Dallas: Bertans
Portland: Keon Johnson, Little (minutes drop/is injured)
Utah: Let's not even go there.
Golden State: No
Minnesota: Forbes
OKC: Wiggins, Bazley
Lakers: Nunn (Minutes/Back From Injury)
San Antonio: No
Houston: No

East:
Boston: No
Milwaukee: Ibaka
Brooklyn: Mills, Morris, Curry
Cleveland: No
Philadelphia: Thybulle, Korkmaz
New York: Mykhailiuk, Rose, Fournier
Indiana: Johnson, McConnell
Miami: Robinson
Atlanta: No
Toronto: Birch
Chicago: Jones Jr, White
Washington: Barton (minutes drop although new team)
Orlando: Hampton
Charlotte: No
Detroit: Noel, Diallo

Top 5 Under The Radar Targets (not in order):
* Bertans - You don't just forget how to shoot, and wouldn't cost much.
Trade: Bertans/Richards (Kings), Holmes (Cha), Robinson (Dal), Plumlee/Len (Mia) with picks to even out
* Korkmaz - Would be such a fun player on this squad.
Trade: Korkmaz/Thybulle for Davis/Len
* Bazley - Add to the young core bigs. Most likely OKC won't sign an extension with 14 players (not all GTD) under contract already next season.
Trade: Bazley for Davis/Better of '25 Sac/Por 2nd
* Jones Jr - Improve the defensive end on the wing. Under contract next year.
Trade: Jones Jr for Davis
* Winslow - Not on the above list, but keep an eye on this due to his versatility and D. His shooting is horrendous this year though.
Trade: Winslow for TPE.

Do you have any better buy low trade targets from the list or anyone else you can think of?

[Lost in LA]

Crowther held out tonight

[OxAndFox]

If I'm the Kings I am getting the Hawks on the phone regarding John Collins. It's time. Barnes is who I would be offering and not much else. Maybe they can talk about the 1st round pick structure as well. Obviously, this is only if the Hawks are indeed wanting to get off JCs money.
Collins and Barnes are having similar seasons, but the major difference is in rebounding the ball. Collins can do this at a very good clip and Sabonis needs help.

The main reason the Kings should do this is I'm more than confident the Kings can unlock Collins as a player and he would be great to watch with Sabonis. He isn't shooting the 3 too well at all (to put it mildly), but IMO he would get that back once he is traded to a situation that values him. His defense and toughness are what's needed here.
Collins is a player that can potentially be had at the lower end of his value. The Kings are in no position to make a move for a player that is at the peak of value.

Having Keegan and Collins doesn't hurt anything at either end of the floor. While many believe Keegan is a 4, he can't defend the bigger 4s in the NBA. Defensively they would match up like Barnes and Keegan currently do. It's match up and team dependant rather than a position.

What do you guys think?

[Colbinii]

I just proposed this deal. Any interest?

Charlotte Out: Mason Plumlee
Charlotte In: Richaun Holmes, DET 2023 2nd

Detroit Out: Alec Burks, DET 2023 2nd
Detroit In: Davion Mitchell

Sacramento Out: Richaun Holmes, Davion Mitchell
Sacramento In: Mason Plumlee, Alec Burks

Kings Rationale: Sacramento has been a surprise for many this season and look to keep the pedal to the metal. The Monk minutes have been bad [I get the fans love him, but be objective here] and while this doesn't push him out of the rotation, Burks provides additional stability at the 2. The Lyles/Metu and especially Holmes minutes have been dreadful as they look to fill the back-up Center role. Plumlee provides a skill-set similar to their offensive catalyst in Sabonis.

[codydaze]

I just proposed this deal. Any interest?

Charlotte Out: Mason Plumlee
Charlotte In: Richaun Holmes, DET 2023 2nd

Detroit Out: Alec Burks, DET 2023 2nd
Detroit In: Davion Mitchell

Sacramento Out: Richaun Holmes, Davion Mitchell
Sacramento In: Mason Plumlee, Alec Burks

Kings Rationale: Sacramento has been a surprise for many this season and look to keep the pedal to the metal. The Monk minutes have been bad [I get the fans love him, but be objective here] and while this doesn't push him out of the rotation, Burks provides additional stability at the 2. The Lyles/Metu and especially Holmes minutes have been dreadful as they look to fill the back-up Center role. Plumlee provides a skill-set similar to their offensive catalyst in Sabonis.

I wouldn't move Davion in a deal like this. I've been split on him all year but the defensive energy he brings every single night is huge for us even though his offense is brutal most of the time. I know we're shedding years off of Holmes' deal but that's too high of a price for that.

[blind prophet]

I just proposed this deal. Any interest?

Charlotte Out: Mason Plumlee
Charlotte In: Richaun Holmes, DET 2023 2nd

Detroit Out: Alec Burks, DET 2023 2nd
Detroit In: Davion Mitchell

Sacramento Out: Richaun Holmes, Davion Mitchell
Sacramento In: Mason Plumlee, Alec Burks

Kings Rationale: Sacramento has been a surprise for many this season and look to keep the pedal to the metal. The Monk minutes have been bad [I get the fans love him, but be objective here] and while this doesn't push him out of the rotation, Burks provides additional stability at the 2. The Lyles/Metu and especially Holmes minutes have been dreadful as they look to fill the back-up Center role. Plumlee provides a skill-set similar to their offensive catalyst in Sabonis.

I wouldn't move Davion in a deal like this. I've been split on him all year but the defensive energy he brings every single night is huge for us even though his offense is brutal most of the time. I know we're shedding years off of Holmes' deal but that's too high of a price for that.

Agreed.

If we are going to offload the negative contract of Holmes...

We shouldn't be giving up a cheap rookie contract under control for a while to do it.

Any deal for an expiring though I'd take if it just costs seconds.

Seriously I'd trade him + a second or two for an expiring corpse if I could.