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Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:09 am
by blind prophet
City of Trees wrote:Cavs keep matching blow for blow. This one will go down to the wire.


Vegas had it as a 1 point game, looks like they may have been right.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:29 am
by madskillz8
blind prophet wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Duarte is still fouling everything and giving up free throws like their going out of style

I dont want him playing, he cant. Jones for the last time Brown


If Ellis comes back in poorly, I'd be ok giving Jones a shot.


Is Mitchell out? I still think Mitchell should be Fox's backup and when Fox is out, he should be the backup of Ellis, not the starter. I know he has limitations but still hard to overlook his contributions, especially when you can make him know his role in offense

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:36 am
by blind prophet
madskillz8 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Duarte is still fouling everything and giving up free throws like their going out of style

I dont want him playing, he cant. Jones for the last time Brown


If Ellis comes back in poorly, I'd be ok giving Jones a shot.


Is Mitchell out? I still think Mitchell should be Fox's backup and when Fox is out, he should be the backup of Ellis, not the starter. I know he has limitations but still hard to overlook his contributions, especially when you can make him know his role in offense


CBS only has Lyles out.

So it could be a Coaches decision DNP

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:37 am
by City of Trees
madskillz8 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Duarte is still fouling everything and giving up free throws like their going out of style

I dont want him playing, he cant. Jones for the last time Brown


If Ellis comes back in poorly, I'd be ok giving Jones a shot.


Is Mitchell out? I still think Mitchell should be Fox's backup and when Fox is out, he should be the backup of Ellis, not the starter. I know he has limitations but still hard to overlook his contributions, especially when you can make him know his role in offense
Ellis stealing Davion's minutes has to put the Kings FO on notice. What is the long-term plan? Can you use him to fill another roster need? Fox supermax incoming do you really want to pay that much for his back up? If Ellis can grab hold of the back up spot I think we see Davion moved sooner rather than later.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:40 am
by madskillz8
blind prophet wrote:
madskillz8 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
If Ellis comes back in poorly, I'd be ok giving Jones a shot.


Is Mitchell out? I still think Mitchell should be Fox's backup and when Fox is out, he should be the backup of Ellis, not the starter. I know he has limitations but still hard to overlook his contributions, especially when you can make him know his role in offense


CBS only has Lyles out.

So it could be a Coaches decision DNP


Seems like he's available. You're right.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:43 am
by blind prophet
That play where Ellis got the ball back at half court with just a bit of time left on the clock was a pretty big sequence for him. He stayed under control and found Huerter for 3.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:44 am
by blind prophet
Don't like the early challenges usually. Save it for crunch time or if someone noteworthy picks up a foul while in foul trouble.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:53 am
by madskillz8
City of Trees wrote:
madskillz8 wrote:
blind prophet wrote:
If Ellis comes back in poorly, I'd be ok giving Jones a shot.


Is Mitchell out? I still think Mitchell should be Fox's backup and when Fox is out, he should be the backup of Ellis, not the starter. I know he has limitations but still hard to overlook his contributions, especially when you can make him know his role in offense
Ellis stealing Davion's minutes has to put the Kings FO on notice. What is the long-term plan? Can you use him to fill another roster need? Fox supermax incoming do you really want to pay that much for his back up? If Ellis can grab hold of the back up spot I think we see Davion moved sooner rather than later.


Fox supermax? Never thought about that before, but didnt like it. He don't need that ugly Versace sweatshirts like Ben Simmons.

We already discussed the importance having some vets as 3rd stringers during the offseason. In that sense, McGee is a great addition - even though he lost his minutes to Len, you can see he's very supportive at the bench and being a leader. And you know he would be ready whenever you need him.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:03 am
by BoogieTime
Keegan's defensive improvement is great to see

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:10 am
by blind prophet
Hopefully we can put them away and rest some of our guys at the end of the game.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:12 am
by blind prophet
Just took a look at the box score

Shooting 60.8% from the floor
51.4 from 3

Hard to beat when we shoot that well.

55.6% from the line though.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:26 am
by LightTheBeam
Sabonis sure does look a lot better when Keegan/Huerter are draining shots!

We couldn't miss tonight! Great game for team to regain momentum.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:29 am
by Lost in LA
Barnes a real non factor tonight..

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:31 am
by BoogieTime
Keegan being able to guard on the perimeter like that kills multiple birds getting Huerter off the perimeter (hes much better defending SF)

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:36 am
by OxAndFox
Lost in LA wrote:Barnes a real non factor tonight..


Honestly, who cares when we shoot the ball like that? Whoever you are putting in his place is taking away from Keegan/Huerter or Sabonis/Fox. This is an offense that you can be either feast or famine. He is famine ATM

The only thing with Barnes needs to be shooting 40%. Now I know he isn't now, but didn't we learn our lesson on Huerter/Keegan?

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:12 am
by LightTheBeam
OxAndFox wrote:
Lost in LA wrote:Barnes a real non factor tonight..


Honestly, who cares when we shoot the ball like that? Whoever you are putting in his place is taking away from Keegan/Huerter or Sabonis/Fox. This is an offense that you can be either feast or famine. He is famine ATM

The only thing with Barnes needs to be shooting 40%. Now I know he isn't now, but didn't we learn our lesson on Huerter/Keegan?


Ehh.. huerter had a few bad games, but then started picking it up in other areas when his shot wasn't falling. Keegan has been fine other than shooting. Barnes isn't bringing anything. Bad defense, not hitting, looks slow out there.

I'd rather have a limited shooter who can play defense than him right now. He's been bad, but he's also not a fit anymore.

Re: CAVS (4-5) @ Kings (4-4)

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:19 pm
by OxAndFox
LightTheBeam wrote:
OxAndFox wrote:
Lost in LA wrote:Barnes a real non factor tonight..


Honestly, who cares when we shoot the ball like that? Whoever you are putting in his place is taking away from Keegan/Huerter or Sabonis/Fox. This is an offense that you can be either feast or famine. He is famine ATM

The only thing with Barnes needs to be shooting 40%. Now I know he isn't now, but didn't we learn our lesson on Huerter/Keegan?


Ehh.. huerter had a few bad games, but then started picking it up in other areas when his shot wasn't falling. Keegan has been fine other than shooting. Barnes isn't bringing anything. Bad defense, not hitting, looks slow out there.

I'd rather have a limited shooter who can play defense than him right now. He's been bad, but he's also not a fit anymore.


Let's just see if he comes around. I will keep saying it though, he needs to be moved to the bench and asked to carry the scoring load with Monk. Start Lyles (when he is ready) or Sasha.