Now from the "Duh" category, Ron Artest confirms..

Bibbinator · Post #21 » by **Bibbinator** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:28 am

This article doesn't confirm anything. Artest didn't say anything about actually opting out. He just told people to bet the house on it if THEY want to.

Artest articles/interveiws are always blown out of context/proportion.

SacKingZZZ · Post #22 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:53 am

Bibbinator wrote:This article doesn't confirm anything. Artest didn't say anything about actually opting out. He just told people to bet the house on it if THEY want to.

Artest articles/interveiws are always blown out of context/proportion.

No it didn't really confirm anything but it shows that the Artest situation can be a very scary one. You have all heard what I have to say so I'll just end with the fact that Petrie has to know what he is doing and is smart enough to see the writing on the wall (in all aspects of the situation, ours and Rons) and will do what needs to be done.

Post #23 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:45 am

The article doesn't show us anything we didn't already know. Ron is opting out because he is very underpaid. Anybody with half a brain would opt out. And if we're going to take his "I want to win" thing seriously, we should also take seriously his quote about just listening to his agent. And if he listens to his agent, his agent will tell him to follow the money--which will be here. And of course, as KIE said, Ron thinks he can win anywhere.

SacKingZZZ · Post #24 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:54 am

mitchweber wrote:The article doesn't show us anything we didn't already know. Ron is opting out because he is very underpaid. Anybody with half a brain would opt out. And if we're going to take his "I want to win" thing seriously, we should also take seriously his quote about just listening to his agent. And if he listens to his agent, his agent will tell him to follow the money--which will be here. And of course, as KIE said, Ron thinks he can win anywhere.

True but he is really putting the hammer down with the fact that he is putting winning above money. I for one believe he would do that, he seems like a grounded enough guy to realize that even 5 million a year is a TON of money and more than you would ever need. Now his agent would be major pissed, but I am just as afraid of Ron forcing a sign and trade. If he does that basically means that we have no shot at re-signing him for our own needs so we can either let him walk and say, "well then you have to settle for less $$$ then" or basically take whatever the other team is willing to give.

The other thing that I am a little worried about is how serious the Kings are abour re-signing him. If they aren't they need to move him now because when push comes to shove they will most likely do the typical bye bye antics and go sign a replacement at the MLE.

UKF · Post #25 » by **UKF** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:11 am

We need to deal him before, we wake up and he is in his damn Kickerbocker jersey. We need/should get a deal done at the deadline that wont put Ron to waste..

SacKingZZZ · Post #26 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:54 am

Funny thing, I keep on picturing him in a Lakers jersey if we lose him for nothing. Maybe even if we trade him.

Post #27 » by **ICMTM** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:06 am

Please...Artest is opting out for more money.

Post #28 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:49 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

True but he is really putting the hammer down with the fact that he is putting winning above money. I for one believe he would do that, he seems like a grounded enough guy to realize that even 5 million a year is a TON of money and more than you would ever need. Now his agent would be major pissed, but I am just as afraid of Ron forcing a sign and trade. If he does that basically means that we have no shot at re-signing him for our own needs so we can either let him walk and say, "well then you have to settle for less $$$ then" or basically take whatever the other team is willing to give.

The other thing that I am a little worried about is how serious the Kings are abour re-signing him. If they aren't they need to move him now because when push comes to shove they will most likely do the typical bye bye antics and go sign a replacement at the MLE.

But this is the same guy that said that we were championship contenders when we were well below .500 last year. He thinks he can win in any situation.

And yes, you would think that many players would realize that $5million a year is plenty. But that is never, ever how it seems to work out. So many times in the past players have said that money didn't matter, and turned out to be full of s**t.

I agree that it's probably a good idea to move him now, but not unless we can get fair value. That's the bottom line.

Post #29 » by **KingInExile** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:21 am

The real wild card in this whole ordeal is whether Artest honestly thinks that the Kings have the potential to win a ring in the near future with the pieces we have and with the pieces Petrie is attempting to add. If he buys into Petrie's plan and he has faith in the direction the team is going, I think it is very possible that he will want to re-sign with the Kings for more money.

However the realist in me doubts that this team will vie for a ring in the near future; we're 3-4 years away from making another push IMO. So if having an opportunity to win a ring really is a top priority for him, then it's hard to see how the Kings will be high on his list for places to sign. Hell, it's quite possible that Detroit will be higher on his list than Sacramento.

Post #30 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:56 am

KingInExile wrote:The real wild card in this whole ordeal is whether Artest honestly thinks that the Kings have the potential to win a ring in the near future with the pieces we have and with the pieces Petrie is attempting to add. If he buys into Petrie's plan and he has faith in the direction the team is going, I think it is very possible that he will want to re-sign with the Kings for more money.

However the realist in me doubts that this team will vie for a ring in the near future; we're 3-4 years away from making another push IMO. So if having an opportunity to win a ring really is a top priority for him, then it's hard to see how the Kings will be high on his list for places to sign. Hell, it's quite possible that Detroit will be higher on his list than Sacramento.

Yeah, but I gotta think that it's not as much about whether or not we can actually win a ring as much as it is about whether Ron thinks we can.

PistonsFanFromNJ · Post #31 » by **PistonsFanFromNJ** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:58 am

Would the Sacramento fan based be interested in a trade of Artest for a 1st + expiring contracts? Some Detroit fans dislike the idea of adding Artest while some like the idea. Both for obvious reasons.

Rugged Ron Ron · Post #32 » by **Rugged Ron Ron** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:42 am

PistonsFanFromNJ wrote:Would the Sacramento fan based be interested in a trade of Artest for a 1st + expiring contracts? Some Detroit fans dislike the idea of adding Artest while some like the idea. Both for obvious reasons.

The 1st from Detriot, definitely no. It's a very late first. I highly we'll ever see Ron in a Piston jersey. Even Ron said it would crazy to see him in a Piston jersey.

BMiller52 · Post #33 » by **BMiller52** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:01 am

PistonsFanFromNJ wrote:Would the Sacramento fan based be interested in a trade of Artest for a 1st + expiring contracts? Some Detroit fans dislike the idea of adding Artest while some like the idea. Both for obvious reasons.

That's not enough. We could basically get a late 1st by trading for an early 2nd round pick. We need to atleast get rid of Kenny Thomas or get some young talent.

Post #34 » by **KingInExile** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:25 pm

PistonsFanFromNJ wrote:Would the Sacramento fan based be interested in a trade of Artest for a 1st + expiring contracts? Some Detroit fans dislike the idea of adding Artest while some like the idea. Both for obvious reasons.

Any deal with the Pistons would have to include Jason Maxiell at a minimum. To be honest, though, the expiring contracts the Pistons have are not all that attractive and neither is a late 1st round pick.

PistonsFanFromNJ · Post #35 » by **PistonsFanFromNJ** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:15 pm

Thanks for the feedback! I don't think the two teams would be able to work out a trade because Detroit wouldn't give up Maxiell for a 1/2 season rental of Artest and we don't have the additional expiring contracts to be able to take Thomas off your hands also. Not specifically that our management would if they could as I don't think our management would authorize going over the luxury tax threshold.

Smills91 · Post #36 » by **Smills91** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:22 pm

PistonsFanFromNJ wrote:Thanks for the feedback! I don't think the two teams would be able to work out a trade because Detroit wouldn't give up Maxiell for a 1/2 season rental of Artest and we don't have the additional expiring contracts to be able to take Thomas off your hands also. Not specifically that our management would if they could as I don't think our management would authorize going over the luxury tax threshold.

Why do you assume its a half year rental of Artest. You'd probably become the favorites at the title THIS year, meaning you would probably be up there next year as well. Then you add in the bird rights and the ability to re-sign Ron for more than the MLE(Which is all that will be out there except for the Hawks and Magic are I think). But anyways, you'd EASILY be in the driver's seat to re-sign him for another 4-5 year deal at around 8-9 million a year.

Post #37 » by **ICMTM** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:08 pm

If Detroit got Artest they would title fron runners for the next three to for years IMO. Artest fits in what they do PERFECTLY.

shortodom · Post #38 » by **shortodom** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:56 pm

Artest,Thomas and Miller for Odom,Kwame and Crittenton

a-rod · Post #39 » by **a-rod** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:55 am

^ no, why?
cons, our division rivals dramatically improve and we take a huge step back.

pros, dumbing salaries but its just not Enough.

SacTown Kings · Post #40 » by **SacTown Kings** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:51 am

shortodom wrote:Artest,Thomas and Miller for Odom,Kwame and Crittenton

I like the way Miller is playing. Change Miller for SAR and I'd do it. We get an expiring, a young player, and unload Thomas. Right now I would not want to trade Miller, he is going to be a good influence on Hawes. Odom is a dumb player but he does have the type of skill set Petrie likes. He is versatile, long, and can hit outside shots. Odom is not what we need from the pf position but like I said change Miller to SAR and I would do it.