Key Off-Season Decisions

[Smills91]

IWTKHCP

[SacTown Kings]

IWTKHCP

What does that mean?

If we can get our point guard or power forward for the future by trading Ron then you do it, if not then we keep him. Pretty simple the way I see it. I wish we could Marion, he is my favorite player.

[Smills91]

I Wish The Kings Had Chris Paul

[KingInExile]

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What does that mean?

If we can get our point guard or power forward for the future by trading Ron then you do it, if not then we keep him. Pretty simple the way I see it. I wish we could Marion, he is my favorite player.

I agree...if Petrie can net a significant upgrade at the 1 or 4 by trading Artest, then the deal needs to be considered. But he should not be traded for a downgrade just for the sake of moving him.

[Smills91]

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I agree...if Petrie can net a significant upgrade at the 1 or 4 by trading Artest, then the deal needs to be considered. But he should not be traded for a downgrade just for the sake of moving him.

TJ Ford is probably the best available PG via trade. His salary matches Ron's but honestly, I don't think TJ is enough by himself for me to deal Ron. The way I see his unstable health status nullifies Artest's proverbial "crazies". So you get risks with either player. Ron is a much better overall player than TJ Ford, so I'd expect additional payment to send Ron to T-Dot. The #17 pick would be nice, but that may be too much to ask. Maybe a future lotto protected 1st could be arranged?

[BMiller52]

With teams like Dallas, Denver, Houston, Toronto, etc. all probably getting swept you guys think some of them could be looking to rebuild or make changes? If so should we pull the trigger? Like if Dallas wants to rebuild could we get Dirk for Spencer, our lotto pick this year, our pick next year, and some filler to make the contracts work??? Who else could be available for us to target? I'm not saying Dallas would do that particular deal but I'd be happy to role with Martin/Artest/Dirk trio anyday. That could be like the Western conference version of Allen/Pierce/KG IMO.

[SacKingZZZ]

I Wish The Kings Had Chris Paul

If Petrie got off his ass and got on with this "rebuild" we may very well get our "Chris Paul". That kind of thing doesn't just happen out of thin air you know.

[SacKingZZZ]

With teams like Dallas, Denver, Houston, Toronto, etc. all probably getting swept you guys think some of them could be looking to rebuild or make changes? If so should we pull the trigger? Like if Dallas wants to rebuild could we get Dirk for Spencer, our lotto pick this year, our pick next year, and some filler to make the contracts work??? Who else could be available for us to target? I'm not saying Dallas would do that particular deal but I'd be happy to role with Martin/Artest/Dirk trio anyday. That could be like the Western conference version of Allen/Pierce/KG IMO.

I just can't ever see Cuban parting with Dirk.

That would be an interesting lineup, if that was the basics of what it took sure, but we'd most likely have to destroy a good portion of our team to get it done. Do it and fail, then we have a looooong way even getting back to where we are now in terms of rebuilding.

[BMiller52]

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I just can't ever see Cuban parting with Dirk.

That would be an interesting lineup, if that was the basics of what it took sure, but we'd most likely have to destroy a good portion of our team to get it done. Do it and fail, then we have a looooong way even getting back to where we are now in terms of rebuilding.

Yeah that's true, but the Celtics basically destroyed a good portion of their team and look where that got them. The best record in the NBA. Then as far as depth goes you can pick up a guy in the 2nd round like a Joey Dorsey who is ready to contribute, then sign a few vets to small deals. Heck Beno might even take less to play for us because he'd be the starting PG on a title contender. Dallas could probably use Mikki because he has a buy-out before his 3rd season for 2 million, so that's basically like an expiring contract. I don't think it's impossible. And if New Orleans sweeps them what other choice do they have? Kidd's getting older, Dampier's getting older, Dirk's in his prime, Howard's their only guy who is still kinda young(and Bass actually). They don't have any picks in this draft and their team just looks like it's declining. They might not even make the playoffs next year. But if they can get a guy like Spencer, a lotto pick, they might actually be somewhere with their rebuild.

I think a core of Martin/Artest/Dirk could get something done. Plug Beno in at PG and run the pick&pop with him and Dirk all day. Artest would have hella room to post guys up or slash and Dirk is a good passer who would work well with Martin. That's a ton of firepower really. Just get a C who can play D like a Diop or whoever, have Shelden as the 3rd big off the bench, find a back up PG, and I don't even think the team is that depleted. You'll still have 1 of Salmons/Cisco to back up KMart/Ron. All you need is a back up PG really IMO. Find some vet that wants to win a title.

This is really our opportunity to go out and get a 3rd star or atleast another starter IMO with WAS/DAL/TO/DEN/HOU all looking like they're getting swept, and maybe some more teams that wants to make some changes. I see PHX/DAL/DEN falling out of the playoffs. There is room for us to get in and make some noise IMO.

[pillwenney]

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If Petrie got off his ass and got on with this "rebuild" we may very well get our "Chris Paul". That kind of thing doesn't just happen out of thin air you know.

Explain.

[_SRV_]

Toronto's PG situation and lack of defense is interesting, maybe Petrie will try Artest for one of them, they disparately need size, toughness, defense and post play, Artest is all of those.
Another interesting situation is with the Bulls and the contract extensions, maybe a S&T for BG and either Thomas or Noah for Kevin Martin will go down.
Also, as been said, there are a lot of weird situations around the league, we can benefit from, Milwakee has 2 PFs one of them is disgruntled, Dallas experiment has seemingly failed and they''ll be looking for some quality wings (not at the expense of Dirk though), Orlando will be bleeding very soon with the horrible Lewis signing, Marion and Miami.
There are a lot of trading possibilities, we'll have to wait and see I guess, but the NBA is shaping into more dynamic environment than it was before.

[Cruel_Ruin]

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Explain.

Same way the Hornets got Paul, the Spurs got Duncan, the Jazz got Deron, the Rockets got Yao, the Suns got Amare, the Mavs got Dirk, the Nuggets got Carmelo, the Cavs got Lebron...... the Bulls got Jordan, the Celtics got Bird, the Lakers got Magic, etc. etc.

[Smills91]

Only LeBron and Duncan were #1 overall picks. So basically, it's still a crapshoot from 1-9(as Amare went #9 overall). I don't see how you can say Petrie is doing nothing, it's based on luck more than anything. Getting the right pick in the right draft.

[Cruel_Ruin]

Only LeBron and Duncan were #1 overall picks. So basically, it's still a crapshoot from 1-9(as Amare went #9 overall). I don't see how you can say Petrie is doing nothing, it's based on luck more than anything. Getting the right pick in the right draft.

I didn't say that Petrie is doing nothing. I predict a blowup coming soon, and I trust Geoff with drafting right. But the fact remains that most teams get their franchise players from the draft or by trading high potential draft picks/prospects.

[pillwenney]

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I didn't say that Petrie is doing nothing. I predict a blowup coming soon, and I trust Geoff with drafting right. But the fact remains that most teams get their franchise players from the draft or by trading high potential draft picks/prospects.

Right, bu the original point made by SacKingZZZ was that we don't have a Chris Paul type because Geoff is lazy, which to me, is incredibly short-sighted--especially since, like you said, the draft is the most common way to acquire franchise-level talent, and it's not like Geoff is just sitting, watching our draft pick go by or something.

[KingInExile]

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Right, bu the original point made by SacKingZZZ was that we don't have a Chris Paul type because Geoff is lazy, which to me, is incredibly short-sighted--especially since, like you said, the draft is the most common way to acquire franchise-level talent, and it's not like Geoff is just sitting, watching our draft pick go by or something.

Don't you realize that Petrie should be able to snap his fingers and magically make franchise players appear...duh.

[SacKingZZZ]

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Explain.

Well, as of right now I don't see a Chris Paul on the Kings, or at least in the lineup of guys we mostly play. Time to develop our youth and see what we have. And the truth of the matter is the road may be bumpy, but the reward if it does happen to be bumpy is more often than not superior talent.

[SacKingZZZ]

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Don't you realize that Petrie should be able to snap his fingers and magically make franchise players appear...duh.

Well he certainly could snap his fingers and put the focus on a young team with upside (like he's been speaking about doing for the last 2 yeears now) instead of stockpiling mediocre vets.

[pillwenney]

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Well, as of right now I don't see a Chris Paul on the Kings, or at least in the lineup of guys we mostly play. Time to develop our youth and see what we have. And the truth of the matter is the road may be bumpy, but the reward if it does happen to be bumpy is more often than not superior talent.

Wait, so if our young guys were to develop, one of them would become like Chris Paul? I'm sorry, I just don't see how Geoff's supposed "laziness" is really why we don't have a franchise player.

[SacKingZZZ]

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Wait, so if our young guys were to develop, one of them would become like Chris Paul? I'm sorry, I just don't see how Geoff's supposed "laziness" is really why we don't have a franchise player.

Read my post again.

And I don't know if it's "laziness", maybe moreso fear than anything. Fear of letting go from that middle rung. Sometimes you have to go all the way down to get back up again and since I happen to think Geoff has made some great decisions the last couple of years in the draft we may not have to be down all that long.