General Trade Rumors

[OGSactownballer]

I can easily see a move that centers around either KK or Zach to PDX for Harkless and a second or possibly a protected first. Either would involve a second player in both sides.
It solves Portland’s desperate need for interior presence/post offense and gives us a flyer on a guy at the 3 that seems to have been lost in the shuffle there and placed behind Evan Turner’s contract.

[madskillz8]

I'm not happy with giving up Hill for that price. Despite the tweets that suggests him being unhappy, I wasn't sold on the trade. He was always the first one who reacts to plays from bench, and always trying to teach our young players. I would rather keep him for 10m. next year and an overpaid SG while we have Bogdan and Hield.

[SacKingZZZ]

So we waive Bruno and Joe Johnson? What does that leave us with?

Randolph/Koufos/Papa
WCS/Skal/Giles
Jackson/Vince
Bogdan/Hield/Temple/Shump
Fox/Mason

Giles out for the year. How long in Mason out for? Skal out for next few weeks. Papa not getting burn.

Even if we play Fox/Bogdan/Hield/Jackson/WCS big minutes it looks like Randolph/Koufos/vince/Temple will continue to see big minutes for now.

Big minutes? No. As long as they bump up Fox, Buddy, Bogdan, and Willie into real starters minutes then they can salvage something this season. There is absolutely no reason to divvy up the minutes down the middle anymore. And if Joerger comes out with some "earning it" bull**** then he needs to go because you see what earning it did to the value of the Kings youth and free agents. Joerger made one of the easiest coaching mistakes to spot and Vlade paid the price for it. Wake up fellas.

[Call Me Geoff]

I'm not happy with giving up Hill for that price. Despite the tweets that suggests him being unhappy, I wasn't sold on. He was the first one that reacts to plays from bench, and always trying to teach our young players. I would rather keep him for 10m. next year and an overpaid SG while we have Bogdan and Hield.

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

[SacKingZZZ]

I'm not happy with giving up Hill for that price. Despite the tweets that suggests him being unhappy, I wasn't sold on. He was the first one that reacts to plays from bench, and always trying to teach our young players. I would rather keep him for 10m. next year and an overpaid SG while we have Bogdan and Hield.

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Here's the scary thing because that isn't necessarily true depending on how they proceed. There have been many games where Hill has been out and none of those players has seen a jump in PT or opportunity. The biggest blockades have been Zbo and Temple and they are still here. And who knows if Iman plays. On the surface this trade did nothing to ease any burdens. This still comes down to Vlade telling his coach to cut the BS and help the franchise, not his resume.

[codydaze]

I'm not happy with giving up Hill for that price. Despite the tweets that suggests him being unhappy, I wasn't sold on. He was the first one that reacts to plays from bench, and always trying to teach our young players. I would rather keep him for 10m. next year and an overpaid SG while we have Bogdan and Hield.

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Here's the scary thing because that isn't necessarily true depending on how they proceed. There have been many games where Hill has been out and none of those players has seen a jump in PT or opportunity. The biggest blockades have been Zbo and Temple and they are still here. And who knows if Iman plays. On the surface this trade did nothing to ease any burdens. This still comes down to Vlade telling his coach to cut the BS and help the franchise, not his resume.

I'm assuming the plan to rest the vets hasn't changed. I think we still go full out with the young guys going forward.

[sdballer]

I'm not happy with giving up Hill for that price. Despite the tweets that suggests him being unhappy, I wasn't sold on. He was the first one that reacts to plays from bench, and always trying to teach our young players. I would rather keep him for 10m. next year and an overpaid SG while we have Bogdan and Hield.

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Then we probably shouldn't have signed him to a $20M deal like 8 months ago. Highly unlikely Shump opts out and the others aren't likely either. Not a lot of cap space available this summer.

[Call Me Geoff]

I'm not happy with giving up Hill for that price. Despite the tweets that suggests him being unhappy, I wasn't sold on. He was the first one that reacts to plays from bench, and always trying to teach our young players. I would rather keep him for 10m. next year and an overpaid SG while we have Bogdan and Hield.

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Here's the scary thing because that isn't necessarily true depending on how they proceed. There have been many games where Hill has been out and none of those players has seen a jump in PT or opportunity. The biggest blockades have been Zbo and Temple and they are still here. And who knows if Iman plays. On the surface this trade did nothing to ease any burdens. This still comes down to Vlade telling his coach to cut the BS and help the franchise, not his resume.

That's another issue all together. If Joeger can't get with the program he may need to go. Given the current state of this team dumping Hill's deal and taking back Shump's $11m is a cash positive move for the Summer. I have a lot of questions when it comes to Vlade's abilities as a GM. With that said this was 100% the right move. I myself am hoping Vlade gets let go this Summer and the Kings reset with a proven GM.

[madskillz8]

I'm not happy with giving up Hill for that price. Despite the tweets that suggests him being unhappy, I wasn't sold on. He was the first one that reacts to plays from bench, and always trying to teach our young players. I would rather keep him for 10m. next year and an overpaid SG while we have Bogdan and Hield.

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Here's the scary thing because that isn't necessarily true depending on how they proceed. There have been many games where Hill has been out and none of those players has seen a jump in PT or opportunity. The biggest blockades have been Zbo and Temple and they are still here. And who knows if Iman plays. On the surface this trade did nothing to ease any burdens. This still comes down to Vlade telling his coach to cut the BS and help the franchise, not his resume.

I'm thinking the same because last couple of weeks Bogdan and Fox was playing for 30+ games being supported by Hill off the bench by either his playing time and guidance. That's what my eye suggests at all, Hill was looking ok with his reduced role. I'd rather trade him for a better rather return now if I don't keep him until the summer where who would be an expiring and a playable guard for any team.

[SacKingZZZ]

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Here's the scary thing because that isn't necessarily true depending on how they proceed. There have been many games where Hill has been out and none of those players has seen a jump in PT or opportunity. The biggest blockades have been Zbo and Temple and they are still here. And who knows if Iman plays. On the surface this trade did nothing to ease any burdens. This still comes down to Vlade telling his coach to cut the BS and help the franchise, not his resume.

I'm assuming the plan to rest the vets hasn't changed. I think we still go full out with the young guys going forward.

You mean the plan already underway that saw a minimal increase in minutes or shots for the young guys? The resting vets thing was a mirage. It had no real significant impact. Especially when you consider Koufos and Carter saw a jump in minutes.

[Call Me Geoff]

I'm not happy with giving up Hill for that price. Despite the tweets that suggests him being unhappy, I wasn't sold on. He was the first one that reacts to plays from bench, and always trying to teach our young players. I would rather keep him for 10m. next year and an overpaid SG while we have Bogdan and Hield.

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Then we probably shouldn't have signed him to a $20M deal like 8 months ago. Highly unlikely Shump opts out and the others aren't likely either. Not a lot of cap space available this summer.

Or maybe Hill should have played better and made himself a more valuable asset. His deal was not unreasonable and it only goes through next year. Shump probably won't opt out but I can see Temple and KK opting out.

[SacKingZZZ]

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Here's the scary thing because that isn't necessarily true depending on how they proceed. There have been many games where Hill has been out and none of those players has seen a jump in PT or opportunity. The biggest blockades have been Zbo and Temple and they are still here. And who knows if Iman plays. On the surface this trade did nothing to ease any burdens. This still comes down to Vlade telling his coach to cut the BS and help the franchise, not his resume.

That's another issue all together. If Joeger can't get with the program he may need to go. Given the current state of this team dumping Hill's deal and taking back Shump's $11m is a cash positive move for the Summer. I have a lot of questions when it comes to Vlade's abilities as a GM. With that said this was 100% the right move. I myself am hoping Vlade gets let go this Summer and the Kings reset with a proven GM.

I don't think it would be wise. They've invested too much in a rebuilding process already. Remember, sometimes when you change GM's midstream they want to move everything out and start with their own vision. The Kings not having a 2019 pick could mean that they then become the modern era Isiah Thomas Knicks with nothing but time in between them and the future. No this simply comes down to common sense. They have to build value in what they can build value from and that's the young guys. Now, there is always a chance that Vlade is directing his coach do what he's doing and if that is the case then maybe after another year Vlade has to go. This summer would be too early IMO. The only guy out there I would think capable of turning this chicken you know what in to chicken salad would be Larry Bird but Vivek was turned down by him right after he bought the team if I recall.

[madskillz8]

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Then we probably shouldn't have signed him to a $20M deal like 8 months ago. Highly unlikely Shump opts out and the others aren't likely either. Not a lot of cap space available this summer.

Or maybe Hill should have played better and made himself a more valuable asset. His deal was not unreasonable and it only goes through next year. Shump probably won't opt out but I can see Temple and KK opting out.

I havent check recently but he was doing well within limited playing time compared to previous seasons. He's a perfect guard to complement players with heavy usage, with his defence, playmaking, 3pt shooting, low turnover rate and ego. That's why we heard interest from Cleveland and Houston, top two teams that have a chance against Warriors.

[SacKingZZZ]

Disagree. Hill was a bad fit. By dealing him more time opened up for Fox, Mason, Bogdonavich and Buddy. We need to play the young guys. Hill at $20m provided very little return. This deal opened up another $9m in cap space for the Summer. If Shump, KK and Temple opt out this Summer the Kings will be flush with space to go find a vet that does fit.

Then we probably shouldn't have signed him to a $20M deal like 8 months ago. Highly unlikely Shump opts out and the others aren't likely either. Not a lot of cap space available this summer.

Or maybe Hill should have played better and made himself a more valuable asset. His deal was not unreasonable and it only goes through next year. Shump probably won't opt out but I can see Temple and KK opting out.

There is no such thing when faced with a coach playing 11-12 players 25 mpg where the shots are spread to everyone and their mother. This day proves it once and for all platoons are value killers! Ditch it now before it's too late.

[sacking123]

Can’t say I’m happy with the trades. Just unnecessary IMO.
Coach has completely trashed everyone’s value so why sell when at rock bottom. Yes we get cap space for next year, but we aren’t going to get anyone decent at all, anyone thinking we will get a difference maker is kidding themselves. Now we have 3 guys that all have player options that will be absolutely hounding coach to play them as they look for their next contract, plus Randolph so good luck with the young guys taking the reigns.


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[City of Trees]

If Fox cant play tomorrow we have no PG's availabe

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[madskillz8]

I don't know, just prefer Hill's veteran presence for 10M cap-space for 2018 and Shumpert who plays for the only position we settled for couple of years forward. Still he can be traded for a better value

[City of Trees]

Meh Hill wanted out. Eventually things would have gone south. Its best to get out now and cut your losses (Malachi). They do save money and open up cap space next season. It was necessary. My only thing is I wish it had been Papa instead of Malachi

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[City of Trees]

Kings now own three 2020 2nd round picks

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[SacKingZZZ]

Meh Hill wanted out. Eventually things would have gone south. Its best to get out now and cut your losses (Malachi). They do save money and open up cap space next season. It was necessary. My only thing is I wish it had been Papa instead of Malachi

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The next step is to hope at least one of Koufos or Temple opts out because if they don't the space won't go very far.